Re: [CTRL] Admirals Urge Probe Of Attack On USS Liberty

2002-05-22 Thread Kristine S.

-Caveat Lector-

I watched a documentary (think I taped it for my dad
but never got it to him as of yet) and to say it was
enlightening doesn't quite say enough.  These men
deserve to have the truth come out.  They were under
attack for a ridiculous almost two hours, and the
Israelis got close enough to their boat that they
could even them smiling at them.  Horrendous!!
Unacceptable shit that our government is covering this
atrocity up.  It all had to do with the fact that the
NSA was on board!!  Fuckers, doing covert intelligence
putting the lives of the rest of the crew members on
board in danger because they knew nothing about the
NSA's activities!!
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 Admirals Urge Probe Of Attack On USS Liberty

 Three admirals, an ambassador and a wounded survivor
 are demanding that
 Congress investigate the attack on the USS Liberty
 and subsequent cover-up.

 Exclusive to American Free Press

 By James P. Tucker Jr.

 Pressure on Congress to investigate Israel’s
 deliberate attack on the USS
 Liberty on June 8, 1967, and the cover-up by
 Washington mounted when ranking
 military officers gathered in Washington May 14 to
 express outrage at the
 high-level whitewashing of the tragic assault.

 Those who “demanded” a “thorough
 investigation” of the attack and cover-up
 included Admiral Thomas Moorer, former chairman of
 the Joint Chiefs of Staff,
 and Admiral Merlin Staring. Gen. Ray Davis endorsed
 the call but was unable
 to attend the news conference in Washington. James
 Akins, former ambassador
 to Saudi Arabia and an expert on the Middle East,
 joined in the call.

 They announced the formation of Liberty Alliance,
 based in Front Royal, Va.,
 to maintain pressure for an investigation in order
 to correct the historical
 record.

 Evidence that Israel deliberately attacked the U.S.
 vessel with the intent to
 sink it and kill all aboard is beyond
 convincing—it is conclusive. This
 evidence was first disclosed in the court-killed
 Spotlight newspaper more
 than a quarter-century ago and subsequently in
 American Free Press.

 “The press ran away from the Liberty story” in
 1967, Moorer said. “What we’
 re seeking is an agreement” by Congress to
 investigate the incident, he said.
 “The mission of elected and appointed officials
 should be the straight-out
 bald truth.”

 Reporters were shown a film, Loss of Liberty,*
 documenting the treachery in
 which 34 Americans were killed and 172 wounded.
 Producer Tito Howard “put the
 true story on the film,” Moorer said. “Every
 foot of it is true.”

 The late Yitzhak Rabin, who commanded the Israeli
 army, came to Washington
 after the three-day war “with orders for Secretary
 of State Dean Rusk,” said
 Akins.

 Rusk replied to the Israeli officer: “General, the
 United States is not a
 colony of Israel.”

 The late George Ball, under secretary of state under
 President John Kennedy
 and Lyndon Johnson and long-time Bilderberg
 luminary, expressed outrage over
 the Israeli attack, Akins said. Ball wrote of the
 attack: “Israel knew it
 could get away with anything.” If Israel had
 succeeded in sinking the ship
 with all aboard, the attack would have been blamed
 on Egypt, Ball said. He
 referred to Israel “murdering Americans.”

 Getting an investigation is difficult, Akins said,
 be cause “Congress is
 Israeli-occupied territory.”

 Staring said he was given a copy of the official
 Navy report on the incident
 but was unable to find evidence justifying its
 conclusion that the attack was
 a mistake. The report was taken from him before he
 could comment.

 Larry Weaver, a survivor who was extensively
 wounded, revealed a chilling
 experience. He went over the familiar details
 showing the attack was
 deliberate—the flag was flying conspicuously and
 Israeli recon pilots flew so
 low that smiles and waves were exchanged.

 Barely out of intensive care, Weaver was summoned by
 an admiral, who removed
 his stars and said they would talk as equals. The
 admiral, whose name Weaver
 was unable to recall, asked him to tell him what he
 knew about the Liberty
 attack. After hearing his response, Weaver said, the
 admiral told him:

 “If you ever repeat that to anybody at any time,
 you will be put in jail and
 we’ll throw away the key.” The admiral has been
 identified by AFP as Isaac
 Kidd.

 Like other crewmen, Weaver’s military records were
 purged of his service on
 the Liberty.

 “We are a ship without a country,” Weaver said.








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Re: [CTRL] Iceberg Breaks Away From Antarctica

2002-05-22 Thread Kristine S.

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Hi Nakano.  I'm writing to ask you if you wouldn't
mind answering the question you posed to the group
some time back about why the Cathloic Church was being
outed now.  I think it has to do with part of the NWO
plan to try to bring about the ancient Goddess
religion.  Just curious what your thoughts were as I
have found your posts to be enlightening.  If you want
to pontificate on any other subjects, I'm all ears!
:o)  I'm a recovering Christian (LOL).  The last two
years of my life have been incredible, waking up to
creation and what being human really is all about.

Take care!

Kristine
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  away from Antarctica, the  National Ice Center
 reported Tuesday.

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Sharon vs. Bush on 911 Prior Knowledge

2002-05-22 Thread Kristine S.

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Immediately brought to mind the Humpty Dumpty rhyme.
Maybe Bush isn't ready for the prime time players
after all :o)
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 ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 09:47:14 -0400
 Subject: [CIA-DRUGS] Sharon vs. Bush on 911 Prior
 Knowledge
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 Webfairy posted this first, but it bears repeating:
 it's a bombshell.

 I'm still not sure what's going on here, or who is
 telling the truth.  But it's difficult to see how
 Israel can benefit from getting into a bitter feud
 with the United States over this issue.

 What a mess...

 I am withholding any more strong opinions about who
 to blame for 911 until much more information comes
 to light.  The picture is too murky to jump to
 conclusions.

 

 Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon authorised the
 leak of sensitive documents which reveal America's
 spy agencies were warned about a terrorist strike
 weeks before September 11. The controversial move
 has now directly embroiled President George Bush in
 the  'how-much-did-he-know?' debate over the attacks
 on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon

 The feeling in Tel Aviv is that Bush's much hyped
 war on terrorism does not actually fit into the
 aggressive policy Israel wants to pursue

 Ariel Sharon is furious because he thinks Bush has
 not supported him as fully as he could. His
 coalition is falling apart, Netanyahu has sneaked
 ahead of him and the Israelis are generally fed up
 of living in fear. Sharon is quite clear where the
 blame lies - in the White House.  Now he has really
 stirred things up by putting Bush right at the
 centre of this storm by actively allowing these
 sensitive documents to be leaked to the world. He
 feels he needs to teach Bush a lesson and this will
 certainly complicate America's peace efforts in the
 region, he said.

 

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 EDITORS: GORDON THOMAS ***MARTIN DILLON***KEVIN
 DOWLING




 NUMBER :- 104 DATE :- 21/05/02

 BUSH: THE IGNORED WARNING THAT WILL COME TO HAUNT
 HIM

 By

 Gordon Thomas.

 Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon authorised the
 leak of sensitive documents which reveal America's
 spy agencies were warned about a terrorist strike
 weeks before September 11. The controversial move
 has now directly embroiled President George Bush in
 the  'how-much-did-he-know?' debate over the attacks
 on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

 Sharon's reaction is a calculated response to
 growing claims that Mossad has been running spy
 operations within the United States and also reveals
 a split in the special relationship between the two
 leaders.

 Mossad chiefs insist the Israeli spy agency was
 tracking Osama Bin-Laden's terrorists in America
 before September 11 and that that the information
 was passed on to the CIA on Five separate occasions
 before the attacks on the WTC and Pentagon. As late
 as August 24, less than two weeks before the
 attacks, a Mossad warning, confirmed by German
 intelligence, BND, said that terrorists plan to
 hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to
 attack important symbols of American and Israeli
 culture. The warning alert was passed to the CIA.

 The warning was also passed to MI6. The agency made
 its own checks and also informed the CIA. Frustrated
 by its inability to alert the CIA to an impending
 attack, Mossad arranged on September 1, according to
 Tel Aviv sources last week, for Russian intelligence
 to warn Washington in the strongest possible terms
 of imminent assaults on airports and government
 buildings. Mossad's fury at the failure of the US
 intelligence community to act has been compounded by
 the revelation that the Bush administration had
 ordered the FBI Only a Week Before the September
 attacks to curtail investigations on two of Osama
 Bin-Laden's close relatives living in the US state
 of Virginia at the time.

 Sharon's decision to allow the story of Bush's prior
 knowledge of the attack to be leaked comes at a time
 when Israel is smarting over what Sharon sees as
 Bush pressurising the Jewish state into an
 accommodation with Arafat.

 The feeling in Tel Aviv is that Bush's much hyped
 war on terrorism does not actually fit into the
 aggressive policy Israel wants to pursue.

 Sharon has already suffered a humiliating defeat at
 the hands of his archrival, former Prime Minister
 Benjamin Netanyahu, as the central committee of
 their Likud Party ruled out the establishment of a
 Palestinian state last Sunday.

 The party's decision, formalized in a resolution
 backed by Netanyahu, directly contradicted Sharon's
 own stated acceptance of a Palestinian state as the
 eventual conclusion of Israeli-Palestinian
 negotiations. It came as Sharon faces mounting
 domestic and 

Re: [CTRL] Breaking News -- Skeletal Remains in D.C. Park May Be Missing Intern Levy

2002-05-22 Thread Kristine S.

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And it's back, the story to dumb us all down even
further.  Funny how these monumental breaking stories
show up just in time to take our attentions away from
Administration issues!  I doubt it is her
(personally).  But if it is, it's still another way to
keep attention off the White House.  Either way, I'm
sure they will take their sweet time with the details,
meanwhile watch for all kinds of idiot forensic
experts ad nauseum on the major network for the next
few days.
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 (When I awoke this morning with the thought that
 Chandra Levey was almost
 certainly dead, I did not think much of it, until I
 turned on the television
 and saw the breaking news that a body had been found
 at Rock Creek Park in
 Washington. --SW)

 Skeletal Remains in D.C. Park May Be Missing Intern
 Levy Wed May 22, 2:28 PM ET

 By Alexander Ferguson

 WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Police said on Wednesday they
 were investigating whether
 skeletal remains and clothing found in Washington's
 Rock Creek Park were those
 of missing intern Chandra Levy, who had a close
 relationship with a member of
 Congress before she disappeared last year.

 Police said the remains were found in a heavily
 wooded area by someone walking
 their dog, sparking off speculation that they
 belonged to Levy, who was known
 to jog in the park before she was last heard from on
 May 1, 2001.

 We're certainly looking into the possibility of the
 Chandra Levy
 disappearance, but we don't know right now whether
 or not the remains are in
 fact Chandra Levy's, Washington Metropolitan Police
 Chief Charles Ramsey told
 reporters at the scene.

 Thousands of people disappear in the United States
 every year but Levy's case
 drew national attention for her relationship with
 California Rep. Gary Condit,
 who has never divulged publicly how close their
 relationship had been.

 Condit, who police have said is not a suspect in
 Levy's disappearance, lost a
 Democratic primary earlier this year, in part
 because of the negative publicity
 from the scandal.

 Noting the remains and pieces of clothing were
 scattered over an area in the
 park, which was repeatedly searched last year,
 Ramsey said it was not
 immediately clear if it was a child, a man or a
 woman.

 It will take a forensic pathologist to really be
 able determine at this point.
 Apparently the remains have been there for a while,
 Ramsey said, who was
 accompanied to the wooded site by senior officers.

 Ramsey said he did not know when police would be
 able to identify the remains.
 We do have dental records on file in the Levy
 case, he said.

 PARENTS INFORMED

 Levy's parents, who live in Modesto, California,
 have said they still held out
 the slim hope that their now 25-year-old daughter
 might be alive.

 I've spoken with the Levy family just to make them
 aware of what we have
 because I didn't want them finding out on
 television, Ramsey said.

 We'll be in touch to let them know what's going on
 as it develops.

 Levy was last seen working out at her gym on April
 30, 2001, and police believe
 she spent much of the morning of May 1 surfing the
 Internet and shopping for an
 air ticket home to California to receive a graduate
 degree.

 When police searched her apartment, they found her
 wallet, computer and luggage
 packed at the door. Only her keys were missing.

 The U.S. Attorney's office is working on the case
 and the Levys hired top
 Washington criminal lawyer Billy Martin and his team
 of investigators to find
 their daughter.

 In addition, a grand jury has been meeting in secret
 over Levy's disappearance,
 trying to decide whether anyone should be charged in
 the case.

 Some have speculated that Levy was the victim of a
 serial killing in the city's
 Dupont Circle area.

 Two other women have gone missing over the past few
 years in the area and the
 badly decomposed body of one of them was found over
 a year after she
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Re: [CTRL] to C. and Hammurabi Re: [CTRL] Pompous Papal Pederasty

2002-05-20 Thread Kristine S.

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  I
  simply stated a Christian is not defined by a
 system

By and large, they most certainly are.  The problem
with language, is there is no word, not any word in
any language that could or can ever describe creation.
 It is beyond boundaries, and petty semantics, and
most importantly, religion!!

Nuf said,
Kristine
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  Well C. you are definitely a typical catholic,

 LOL and here you go again attributing stereotyping
 (and a very bigoted
 sweeping stereotyping comment it is too!) to someone
 who is arguing with
 you! i am not catholic, FYI. and your above comment
 proves what i have been
 saying about you- bigoted and selfrighteous and
 unaware apparently that
 protestants in positions of power (the clergy) *do*
 do evil things as well
 as any religion and they *do* sweep things under the
 carpet if it suits
 them.
 to distinguish between a catholic who is sinning and
 a prod who is sinning
 or a muslim who is sinning is disengenuous at the
 very least and bigoted at
 worst.

  I
  simply stated a Christian is not defined by a
 system,

 you did a lot more than say that you silly moo. and
 you are apparently not
 even aware of it

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Re: [CTRL] HR 3598 was ... Wonder if they'll reinstate the draft...

2002-05-13 Thread Kristine S.

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  Although I endorse nonviolent means to provide
 solutions to most if not all
  conflicts
   arising among the various factions of humanity, I
 also endorse (almost)
  universal
   military training.

   As a mother I am opposed because our kids then
 become guinea pigs for
 whatever vaccines the military wants to throw at
 them.  That is my primary
 concern.  These young people lose their rights as
 individuals when they
 become part of the military machine.  Boot camp -
 okay, weapons training -
 okay, vaccines NOT okay.  IMO.

 Laura

As a mother of a 16 year old, I say no to all of it.
No son of mine will fight for the greed of the global
elite.  If they care to send THEIR sons to fight, fine
by me.

The military machine is nothing but the global greed
machine and I want no part of it.  If that means I
can't drive me fricking car anymore, so be it!
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Re: [CTRL] Yasir on the sidelines

2002-05-09 Thread Kristine S.

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Arafat is nothing but a pawn, of the NWO.  He never
had, nor will he ever have, control over the suicide
bombers.  Who benefits most from their attacks (which
have been adequately proven as mere bombings in some
instances, not suicide bombings)?

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 From

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=293162

 }}}Begin
 09 May 2002 07:58 GMT+1
 Home   News   World   Middle East

 Israel's black propaganda bid falters as documents
 reveal an impotent leader not a
 terrorist mastermind

 Israel's Book of Terror purporting to show
 Arafat's role in suicide attacks is 'riddled
 with omissions and falsehoods'

 By Robert Fisk in Ramallah

 09 May 2002 Internal links Israel promises revenge
 for suicide attacks  UK agents to
 help Arafat stop suicide bombers  Robert Fisk:
 Israel's black propaganda bid falters
 as documents reveal an impotent leader not a
 terrorist mastermind  Leading article:
 Israel will react to this atrocity, but peace will
 only come through politics
 Israel's so-called Book of Terror – designed to
 prove that Yasser Arafat is a master
 of terror involved in suicide attacks on Israel – is
 riddled with errors, omissions and
 deliberate misinformation.

 The dossier, which was presented to President George
 Bush by the Israeli Prime
 Minister, Ariel Sharon, characterises Mr Arafat as
 an evil, scheming warlord funded
 by Iran and Saudi Arabia.

 But in some cases, translations of Palestinian
 documents allegedly seized by Israeli
 troops in the West Bank have been doctored to
 prove Arafat's responsibility for
 anti-Israeli attacks. At least one translation of
 a Palestinian document posted on the
 Israeli army's website is a palpable falsehood.

 In reality the documents portray Mr Arafat's
 military impotence. The papers the Israeli
 intelligence service have so far produced – assuming
 that most of them are genuine
 – paint a vivid, pathetic picture of his loss of
 power within the Palestinian community
 over the past 12 months, the suborning of his
 lieutenants and the gradual recruitment
 of his men by Hamas and Islamic Jihad opponents.

 The original Arabic documents reveal just how the
 Israelis, in an exercise in black
 propaganda, have manipulated their true meaning. On
 20 March, this year, Hamdi,
 one of Yasser Arafat's senior intelligence officers
 in the West Bank town of
 Tulkarem, wrote a report about a suspected Israeli
 collaborator called Jihad Ilayan.

 Further to our letter numbered TK/334/2002 dated
 16/3/02 about the [Israeli]
 helicopter strike on the chicken farm at Anabta and
 after arresting the young man
 mentioned above, interrogating him and then
 releasing him, we wish to inform you
 that he is now with a relative named Riyadh Ilayan
 from the Jalazoan [refugee] camp
 and he [Riyadh] works in General Intelligence,
 Hamdi's report said. The implications
 are obvious. Riyadh Ilayan works for Mr Arafat's own
 intelligence organisation but his
 relative Jihad is suspected of collaboration with
 Israel.

 Just 17 days earlier, another intelligence report
 from Tulkarem, this time written on
 unheaded notepaper and unsigned, informs Mr Arafat's
 men that the al-Aqsa
 Brigades in the city are planning an operation
 inside Israel. The brigade's modus
 operandi, says the document, includes offering
 suspected Israeli collaborators
 forgiveness if they kill Jewish settlers or Israeli
 soldiers or intelligence officers. The
 forthcoming operation had been planned, the report
 states, by Ghanem Ghanem of
 Force 17, Hani Abu Laimoon, a previous operative of
 ours, and an unnamed man
 who is referred to as a drug dealer. The same
 group, the document notes, had
 previously arranged the attack on a banqueting hall
 in the northern Israeli city of
 Hadera. It does not mention the results of that
 attack: six Israeli civilians dead and
 another 35 wounded.

 These reports – and many others – show just how far
 Yasser Arafat had lost control
 of the militant organisations flourishing among the
 Palestinians on the West Bank.
 But Israel's reaction was to go public with accounts
 of their contents that were
 deliberately misleading and, in at least one case,
 untrue. They claimed that the report
 on Ilayan detailed his role in a failed suicide
 attack – when in fact it recorded his
 suspected collaboration with Israel – while
 presenting the second document as proof
 that Mr Arafat's own intelligence men were involved
 in the al-Aqsa suicide squads. All
 references to the drug dealer and the inducement to
 collaborators to seek
 forgiveness were excised.

 The Arabic texts suggest that Israel is fighting
 against men who have long ago
 passed outside Mr Arafat's control, who are better
 funded than his Palestinian
 Authority and whose anti-Israeli attacks can only
 occasionally be foiled by Mr Arafat's
 still-loyal intelligence officers.

 Typical is the case of Mahmoud Freih, a 17-year-old

Re: [CTRL] Militant Homo's Underminded Preisthood [a must read]

2002-04-29 Thread Kristine S.

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To usher in a one world government and one world
religion :o)

I give up, why?  I'm intrigued.
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[CTRL] Interesting, on school shootings in Germany

2002-04-26 Thread Kristine S.

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Saw this post on a group I check from time to time.
Did anyone else happen to see this?

In case you can't get into the group to just view the
messages, the text is as follows.  Could this be the
next notch in the belt of the NWO (gun control!)

Cnn just showed a live report from Germany showing the
school shooting that just happened and stated that
only one gunman had been found dead, and that they
thought the other was still held up inside the
school... THEN they show 2 young men sitting on a park
bench across from the school, they get up and start to
walk away and one hands the other a GUN! Not one word
was said about this by the talking heads! I saw
these 2 kids exchange what appeard to be an automatic
of some kind and walk away from the school! The
talking heads had to have seen it too! What
gives??

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chemtrailtrackingusa/message/83982

Kristine

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[CTRL] Message #2 of Germany Shootings

2002-04-26 Thread Kristine S.

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Oh yeah, the spin doctors got to it already!  Here's
her second posting:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chemtrailtrackingusa/message/83989
They just aired a tape of what I saw
on
their live broadcast from Germany BUT
this time the exchange between the two
kids was edited! They filmed them
exchanging something so quickly that
you could not tell this time what was
exhanged! I swear ON MY LIFE this is
NOT what they aired the first time
when
it
was live! That dark, automatic gun was
in plain sight! It was a large gun
with
a long barrel and it was a very dark
grey, almost black! What are they
hiding
and why?

(a very angry)
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Re: [CTRL] Le-Pen- Populist Anti-NWO Hero

2002-04-25 Thread Kristine S.

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Oh, let this be a lesson to all of us here in the
United States!  F--- the elephant and the
donkey...hell, better yet, they can go f--- each
other.

Thanks for the allowing me to vent :o)

Great group!  Love the posts!!

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 Jean-Marie Le Pen says he will guide France out of
 the EU if he is elected
 president.

 He says he is the candidate of the French people and
 they voted for him to
 overturn the political system.

 He calls his clash against Jacques Chirac a fight
 between the candidate of
 the French people and the candidate of the system.

 He told reporters: We are witnessing the end of a
 cycle that spurned a
 decadent and corrupt system.

 Mr Le Pen added: The French think they are electing
 a president, but they
 are wrong, they are electing a kind of governor who
 answers to Brussels.

 He then pledged to bring a halt to the immigration
 into France. This
 constant foreign immigration will - if a barrier is
 not erected - eventually
 submerge our country, he said.

 Mr Le Pen believes his success in qualifying for the
 May 5 run-off against
 incumbent President Jacques Chirac shows French
 voters want radical change.

 As thousands of protesters took to the streets
 across France to denounce his
 success, Le Pen, flanked by eight bodyguards,
 appealed for calm. Change must
 be carried out peacefully, he said.

 Le Pen accused his opponents of fuelling civil
 disorder by appealing to the
 people to rally against him.

 But when asked if he had softened his normally fiery
 tone to appeal to a
 broader electorate, Le Pen said: I held myself back
 during the campaign, but
 now I am really looking forward to confronting
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