Re: [CTRL] TheTavistock Institute:Hidden Architects of Global Brainwashing Thought Control-The Tavistock Institute of Human Relations

[Mark S Bilk]

-Caveat Lector-

This attack on Tavistock comes only from one John Coleman, and 
is full of claims that various major institutions in the U.S.
are totally controlled by Tavistock, for evil of course,
because people who once had some connection to Tavistock
then went to those institutions.

Coleman is a far rightwinger.  Here are some of the things that
he says are evil, in this article

http://www.barefootsworld.net/tavistok.html

  the `squalid consequences of the 60s radicals in SDS' as 
   resulting in `the growing rate of illegitimacy, petty 
   lawlessness, drug addiction, welfare, VD, and mental illness'.

  all so-called `sensitivity groups' or `T-groups,' or in the
   more extreme rock-drug-sex count-erculture form, `touchy-feely
   groups,' such as the kind popularized from the 1960s onward
   by the Esalen Institute

  making use of drugs a non-criminal offense, legalizing 
   homosexuality

The pioneering psychologist R.D. Laing worked at Tavistock.  He
wrote the wonderful book _The Politics of Experience_, which 
teaches that mentally ill people should be listened to instead
of being drugged into a stupor, and that they will then often 
recover and live more happily than before their illness, which
was actually a transition and growth experience.

http://www.amazon.com/Politics-Experience-R-D-Laing/dp/039471475X/ref=sr_1_1/102-5000288-8440938?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1177628806sr=1-1

On Thu, Apr 26, 2007 at 02:40:32PM -0700, Skinny wrote:
  The Tavistock Institute of Human Relations
From Ken Adachi Editor
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/tavistockarticlesindex04jun04.shtml
  
June 4, 2004
   
  The authoritative expose of the greatest brainwashing organization to ever 
 exist in the course of human history is now revealed in Dr. John Coleman's 
 latest book, The Tavistock Institute of Human Relations: Shaping the Moral, 
 Cultural, Political, and Economic Decline of the United States of America. 
 The Tavistock Institute is located in the City of London and at Sussex 
 University in England.   
   
  Dr. John Coleman, former intelligence officer with Britain's MI6 and author 
 of Conspirators Hierarchy, The Committee of 300, was one of the the first 
 writers to bring the world's attention to the existence of Tavistock, 
 hitherto unknown to press and pundits alike, in a monograph published in 
 1969. Since his initial 1969 revelations concerning the pivotal role that 
 Tavistock plays in shaping political, social, educational, and economic 
 'opinions', especially in the United States, more than a few writers of 
 global conspiracy have attempted to place laurels upon their shoulders for 
 revelations about Tavistock's key influence as the Mother of all Propaganda 
 Ministries, while ignoring the fact that this pioneering work was first 
 published  by John Coleman. Dr. Coleman's new book, however, leaves no doubt 
 as to who is the master and who are the students when it comes to the subject 
 of Tavistock. 
   
  The book is stunning in the new knowledge that it reveals about the hidden 
 role of British oligarchs to shape and control public opinion in order to 
 manipulate the British public   (and later the American public)   
 into accepting the notion that war with Germany was necessary in order to 
 secure a lasting peace.   The plan to 'create' public opinion began 
 in 1913 as a propaganda factory centered at Wellington House in London.   
 Sir Edward Grey, the British Foreign Secretary at the time, installed 
 Lord Northcliffe (Britain's most influential newspaper magnate) as its 
 director. Lord Northcliffe's position was over sighted by Lord Rothmere on 
 behalf of the British Crown. The operational staff of Wellington House 
 consisted of Lord Northcliffe, Arnold Toynbee   (future director of 
 studies at the Royal Institute of International Affairs), and the Americans, 
 Walter Lippmann and Edward Benays (nephew to Signund Freud).   
 Funding was
 initially provided by the Royal family, but soon to include the Rothchilds 
 (related to Lord Northcliffe by marriage)   and the Rockefellers. 
 Wellington House would grow into the Tavistock Institute in 1921 after the 
 propaganda victories of the First World War and the Federal Reserve banking 
 system   (created in 1913) had been secured.   To be continued... 


  I predict that this book will earn for Dr. Coleman greater critical 
 recognition and accolades than that achieved by The Committee of 300, which 
 many had assumed was Dr. Coleman's masterwork. That is no longer the case. 
 This book is Dr. John Coleman's most important work to date.   
 After reading it, you will no longer have any doubts about WHO is 
 manipulating you with every available communication technology known to 
 mankind, WHY they are manipulating you, and HOW they are manipulating you 
 into a One World fascist tyranny.   There are THREE choices for 
 

Re: [CTRL] lizards in the white house

[Mark S Bilk]

-Caveat Lector-

Thanks, Mary, this looks great!

Note that you have to go to the Services page of the website 
to download the novel.

On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 08:44:48AM -0700, Mary Q wrote:

Talk about your conspiracy theories! 

What species would knowingly wipe out its own kind, destroy its habitat, 
change 
its environment to one inhospitable to its own survival needs, and convince 
the 
members of its population that their lives would be better if they were all 
dead?
Answer: none. It goes against basic survival instincts. Yet do not these seem 
to
be the policies of GW Bush? Dick Cheney? Donald Rumsfeld, Pat Robertson, Paul 
Wolfowitz,
Richard Perle, Douglas Feith and the rest of the neo conservatives that are 
steering
the juggernaut of state faster and faster down the path to the abyss called 
Armageddon,
and taking all humanity along with them?

Haven't you asked yourself time and again what kind of insanity drives these
people? Haven't you wondered if they truly can be too stupid and short sighted
to see the consequences of their actions, or if there is some other hidden 
agenda?
Perhaps the question you should ask is, are they really members of our species 
at
all?

I have a new novel which answers that question. It is available for free 
online 
at http://www.freeoriginalbooks.com. It's title: Lizards in The White 
House, Part One. I'm currently working on part two, and hopefully will
be allowed to complete it by this coming Christmas. I'll be adding it then, 
along with other published and unpublished works of mine as I find time to get 
them
on. A second offering, Once Upon Europa is already there.


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[CTRL] AOL IS POLITICALLY CENSORING E-MAILS

[Mark S Bilk]

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AOL is politically censoring the e-mails addressed to its customers.  

There is no way for AOL users to turn off the censorship (e.g. by 
adjusting their nanny filter or whatever) and receive all of 
their e-mails.  The censored messages are simply thrown away 
(bounced) as soon as AOL receives them.

If you are using AOL as your Internet service provider [ISP], 
web host, or mailing-list server, you should switch to a different 
company immediately!  

If you are worried about missing e-mails if you switch to a 
different ISP, because the address people know for you is 
[EMAIL PROTECTED], you should get your own Internet domain, which 
you can then point to any mail address (and any web host) you want 
(and you can change them at any time).  Thereafter you can change 
ISPs and web hosts with impunity (after sending your new address 
-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- once to all your friends and 
lists you're subscribed to).  Your domain mail address will then 
be independent of your ISP and will never change; I am 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] no matter what ISP I'm using.

A domain only costs about $10/year (note: you must pay that every 
year or you will lose the domain), and e-mail forwarding only about 
$2 or $3/month.  Do a Google search for email forwarding for 
instructions.

See below for details of AOL's political censorship:

On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 10:49:27AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Subject: [cia-drugs] RoadsEnd's is always bouncing ...
My posting to lists is being very much hampered. Even though I am 
owner, none of my post have shown up for several days to my yahoo 
groups even my [EMAIL PROTECTED] group. 

Note that Millegan ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]) is using 
AOL as his ISP, and also as his mailing-list server (for his list 
CTRL@LISTSERV.AOL.COM).  

For at least a year, AOL has been discarding all e-mails containing 
-- in the text of the e-mail -- URLs of websites about which AOL 
has received complaints.  Presumably these complaints come from 
Bush supporters, the U.S. government, zionists, internal AOL 
political censors etc.  

I often get bounce messages from the lists I run, saying that 
particular e-mails have been thrown away and not delivered to any 
of the AOL recipients on the list.  These bounce messages contain 
a code 554.  

I've included an example bounce message below, from Jan 3, 2006, 
featuring Millegan and another AOL customer.  The AOL web page -- 
554hvub1.html -- mentioned in the bounce messages says, There 
is at least one URL in your email that is generating substantial 
complaints from AOL members.  

There is no way for AOL users to turn off this political censorship 
and receive the e-mails addressed to them.  AOL deletes the messages 
as soon as it receives them.  AOL's billionaire CEO Steve Case is 
a known fascist.  The second Google hit on him is this article from
a fascist/zionist propaganda site, proudly telling how he donated 
money to an anti-gay church, and lamenting that people are angry 
at him for it:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21284

No one should use AOL as their ISP, mailing-list server, or website 
host.  If you are doing so, you should switch to another company
immediately!  AOL should not be used by anyone for any purpose.

A telemarketer from AOL called me up last year and said I should
use their service.  I told him about AOL's political censorship.
He said to me, AOL is a family Internet service.  Our customers 
don't need to know about political websites.

Here is an example AOL censorship bounce message; I have hundreds
of them.  Radio4houston.org is the server for the mailing-lists 
that I run; it doesn't censor anything.  That server is reporting 
to me the rejection messages that AOL sent to it when it tried to 
send a perfectly good list e-mail to AOL users who are list members.

] Hi. This is the qmail-send program at radio4houston.org.
] I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
] This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
] 
] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
] 205.188.159.217 failed after I sent the message.
] Remote host said: 554-:  (HVU:B1) 
http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554hvub1.html
] 554 TRANSACTION FAILED
] 
] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
] 64.12.137.249 failed after I sent the message.
] Remote host said: 554-:  (HVU:B1) 
http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554hvub1.html
] 554 TRANSACTION FAILED
] 
] --- Below this line is a copy of the message.
] ...

  Mark

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Re: [CTRL] ANWR wins a 1, 2 3 punch in the Congress!!!!!

[Mark S Bilk]

-Caveat Lector-

Does this mean that Bacon will get a big bonus from whatever 
petroleum thugs have been paying him to write this shit for 
all these years?

On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 05:24:59AM -0500, William A. Bacon wrote:
-Caveat Lector-

back to anwr.org

ANWR Wins One, Two, Three Punch!

Legislative victories on opening ANWR are on their way to Congressional
success with three crucial victories from votes in the US Senate. A
provision to allow for responsible oil and gas exploration in the 10-02
Area of the Coastal Plain of ANWR was added to the Budget Process due to
the $2.4 billion estimate from lease sale revenues the federal government
would gain in the first two years after Presidential signature. The US
Senate began voting on the Budget Reconciliation Bill (S. 1932) Thursday
morning, starting with a daylong slew of amendments. The Cantwell
Amendment (S.2358) by Washington Senator Maria Cantwell (long an opponent
of environmentally responsible development in ANWR) became the first
success.

The amendment was a motion to strike ANWR language from the Budget Bill
and that was defeated by pro-ANWR forces 51-48 (1 non-voting) lead by the
Senior Senator from Alaska Ted Stevens and Alaskas Senator Lisa Murkowski.
The vote took place at about 11am and was viewed from the Senate galleries
by a large delegation of Alaskan Inupiat from the North Slope who had
spent the entire week in D.C. working the issue in the Halls of Congress.
The vote very nearly mirrored the same amendment put forth in the Spring
this year again by Cantwell which was defeated 51-49.

Soon after the Wyden Amendment to ban exports of Alaskan oil (S2362) was
passed 83-16 (1 not- voting) with little problems. Senators Stevens and
Murkowski (R-AK) voted with the bill after clarification that it was not
subject to the Byrd Rule and thus could not be used to hang up future
Budget proceedings. The Byrd Rule is a Senate practice that no
non-budgetary items can be passed in the Budget process.

The Senates afternoon continued on a vote-a-rama of amendments to the
grand finale Budget Reconciliation Bill (S. 1932 (Deficit Reduction
Omnibus Reconciliation Act of 2005). That was passed just after 6pm with a
vote of 52-47 (1 non voting) leading to ANWRs future path open to meet the
House Budget Reconciliation Bill in Conference sometime in the beginning
of December. Overall it was a stellar hat trick for ANWR and all those who
have fought so hard for it!

But the victory was made just the more sweet by the defeat of a little
known last ditch effort Senator Cantwell and environmentalist forces made
in the early afternoon. Cantwell submitted an obscure and technically
bizarre amendment S.2400 to ensure the payment to the Treasury of the
United States of 50 percent of revenues from oil and gas leasing and
production on the Coastal Plain yet framed in potential hang-ups with
future legal suits waged against ANWR development.

Senator Stevens called the amendment just another backdoor attempt to
scuttle future ANWR development by environmentalists. A vote of 51-48 sent
Cantwell and her second monkey wrench packing.

The House of Representatives will begin deliberation on their version of
the Budget Reconciliation Bill next week and possibly vote on it then. The
two versions will be reconciled in a joint Conference Committee in
approximately three weeks time.

The votes for Thursday are as follows:

Cantwell Amendment 2358
Motion to Strike ANWR drilling provision from the Budget Reconciliation
Bill

NAYS (51)

Akaka (D-HI)
Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Allen (R-VA)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Frist (R-TN)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Inouye (D-HI)
Isakson (R-GA)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Roberts (R-KS)
Santorum (R-PA)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Talent (R-MO)
Thomas (R-WY)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)

YEAS (48)

Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carper (D-DE)
Chafee (R-RI)
Clinton (D-NY)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Dayton (D-MN)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
McCain (R-AZ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Obama (D-IL)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wyden (D-OR)


NOT VOTING
Corzine (D-NJ)


Wyden 

[CTRL] Taking Aim Bulletin October 29, 2005

[Mark S Bilk]

-Caveat Lector-

From: Taking Aim [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Contents:
1. Our next program
2. Lynne Stewart defense alert
3. Joan Mellen, author of A Farewell to Justice: Jim Garrison, JFK's
Assassination, and the Case That Should Have Changed History, to be
interviewed on WBAI's Law and Disorder program.

1. Taking Aim with Ralph Schoenman and Mya Shone returns to regular
broadcast this Tuesday, November 1, 5:00 p.m. ET and 2:00 p.m. PT
WBAI-NY 99.5 FM and http://www.wbai.org for live Internet stream.

Our topic: The Hidden Agenda of the Fitzgerald Indictments

---
2. Lynne Stewart defense update:
Judge Koeltl upheld the verdict against Lynne Stewart. (The
judge also upheld the verdicts against the two other defendants,
Ahmed Abdel Sattar and Mohamed Yousry)  In a 54-page ruling that
recounted key evidence, U.S. District Judge John G. Koeltl rejected
all of Lynne Stewart's arguments that the Feb. 10 verdict should be
tossed out. In a separate ruling Judge Koeltl also rejected defense
request for a new trial based on allegations that one juror lied
about his past and that another juror had been unduly pressured to
reach her verdict.

These decisions clear the way for the sentencing now scheduled for
December 22. 

SAVE THE DATE
December 8, 7 p.m., a Speak Out and Forum on Lynne Stewart's case
will be held at The Community Church of New York. Details and
participants to be announced.

The Defense Committee has a new DVD, The Struggle Continues for a $10
donation; T-Shirts for $15.00; as well as the NLG booklet: The Case of Lynne
Stewart, a Justice Dept. Attack on the Bill of Rights. Available via the
website http://www.lynnestewart.org, 212-625-9696 or write
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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3. Joan Mellen will discuss her compelling investigation and book, A
Farewell to Justice: Jim Garrison, JFK's Assassination, and the Case That
Should Have Changed History, again on WBAI. Tune in to Law and Disorder,
Monday, November 7 at 10:00 a.m.

You can receive a copy of Joan Mellen compelling book,  when you
contributing online on the WBAI website, http://www.wbai.org, then follow
the links to the premium offerings. The particular page with A Farewell to
Justice is 
https://www.wbai.org/cart/default.php?cPath=50osCsid=4b2fca5b0600ec5c8ad16a
35bc38d5d3 - Another review of the book follows.

A Farewell to Justice by Joan Mellen
Amazon.com Reader Response:Eddie Kasica (New York City)
* (five star-top rating) Saint Joan, October 27, 2005
 
The United States of America has never truly had its equivalent of Zola's
J'Accuse! Until now. While the Dreyfus Affair is a joke compared to the
far-reaching PERMANENT effects of the National Security State execution of
President John F. Kennedy(don't think they're permanent? -- pick up the damn
newspaper), quite a few books on the crime have been labeled Zolaesque:
Rush to Judgement, Weisberg's Whitewash, Sylvia Meagher's Accessories
After the Fact(a worthy forerunner of Farewell to Justice -- Meagher and
Mellon are sisters of heart, toughness and understanding), Anthony Summers's
Conspiracy and, of course, Gerald Posner's Case Closed(just kidding).
But they weren't. Not even close, because they couldn't be. The cover-up of
the crime continued well into the 1990s and -- like the film or not -- it
was Stone's JFK which caused the break in the dam. The wave of the past 10
years, beginning with the publication and media-embrace of the malignant
Case Closed, has been intensely anti-conspiracy. As all of U.S. society
has seemingly moved toward the worship of power for power's sake, leading to
the establishment of the Bush Reich, anti-conspiracy ideology has become its
own form of totalitarianism. In the power-saturated universe of Millennial
America, seething with plots, anti-plot pronouncements have become as
necessary as squeals in a slaughterhouse. But, there has been a counterwave.
And it's now tidal. More fresh evidence regarding 11/22/63 has become
available these past years than was available to the Warren Commission, Jim
Garrison or the House Assassinations Committee when they were conducting
their investigations or cover-ups. We have had to be patient, and now it's
pay-off time. Christopher Lawford on the family, Gareth Porter on JFK and
Vietnam, Bradley Ayers and Richard Whalen on Kennedy and Cuba, Gerald
McKnight on the Warren Commission, and David Talbot's coming book on Bobby
and the murder(`though the Mellen book may have made that release somewhat
compromised). 

Farewell to Justice is the book we have all been waiting for, since the
day the music died. Joan Mellen has always been one of the world's best film
critics, a magnificent biographer(Kay Boyle, Marilyn Monroe  Bobby
Knight!), and a great writing teacher. Now she has broken the case. There's
no guessing here. No theoretical chapters on the validity of the Zapruder
Film, the DalTex Building vs. a sewer drain opening, no jacket holes or
bullet fragments. Just the moment-by-moment narrative of what happened to
Jack Kennedy 42 

[CTRL] Tues Oct 11, 3pm ET- Special Taking Aim Broadcast: New JFK Evidence

[Mark S Bilk]

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Special Taking Aim Broadcast: October 11, 2005 - 
Compelling New Evidence on the JFK Assassination 

Tuesday, October 11, 3:00 to 6:00 p.m. ET (noon to 3:00 p.m. PT)
WBAI-NY, 99.5 FM, http://www.wbai.org for real-time Internet stream

New evidence establishing the role of the CIA in the assassination of
President John F. Kennedy.

Discussion with Joan Mellen, author of _A Farewell to Justice: Jim Garrison,
JFK's assassination and the case that should have changed history_,
published by Potomac Books.

The book is our Fund Drive premium for your $125 contribution to WBAI.
Exceptional book, compelling new evidence - a must for your library.

Over seven years, Joan Mellen interviewed over 1000 people, many of them
coming forward for the first time, and analyzed documents from the National
Assassination Archive. With precision and insight, Mellen moves on from a
review of the evidence compiled by New Orleans District Attorney Jim
Garrison to uncovering new evidence that substantiates the role of the CIA
in the assassination and its cover-up.

Mellen interviewed the actual participants in the plot to kill JFK,
documented their meetings, plans and their implementation.

A taste of what is new in this book and what will be discussed during the
fund drive special:

* Lee Harvey Oswald was not a loner but a government agent who worked for
the CIA, the New Orleans FBI office and for U.S. Customs. Oswald was closely
connected to CIA-sponsored anti-Castro figures in New Orleans, including
Clay Shaw (who Garrison prosecuted), David Ferrie and a Cuban associate of
Shaw's at the International Trade Mart named Juan Valdes.
 
* Clay Shaw and David Ferrie, both Garrison suspects and CIA operatives,
implemented the assassination by helping frame Oswald as the murderer.
Mellen proves for the first time that Ferrie, an aviator, flew to Dallas the
week of the assassination with the help of a loan that was co-signed by
Shaw. Ferrie's job was to fly the assassins away to safety late on Friday,
November 22nd.

* Proof that Oswald was set up as a patsy. Thomas Edward Beckham, was
trained at CIA to be the patsy should Oswald choose not to cooperate.

* Robert Kennedy was aware of Oswald and his connection to the FBI before
the assassination. RFK put Oswald under surveillance and had his Cuban
associates tracking Oswald's movements during the summer of 1963, new facts
never before revealed.
 
* Proof that the cover-up began north of Baton Rouge before the shooting in
Dallas when Oswald, in the company of Shaw and Ferrie, applied for a job at
the mental hospital in Jackson, LA. Mellen has the only known interview with
the director of the hospital at that time, Dr. Frank Silva.
 
* The FBI, including Deep Throat Mark Felt, undermined the Garrison
investigation. Government documents reveal that the FBI and CIA worked
actively with a number of journalists who covered the Garrison
investigation, including reporters with Newsweek and The Saturday Evening
Post, as well as a government operative ostensibly employed by NBC
television. An FBI document reveals J. Edgar Hoover directing his field
offices to tell Garrison nothing!

Joan Mellen, Temple University professor and author, is well-known for her
biographies of Lillian Hellman and Dashiell Hammett, Kay Boyle, Marilyn
Monroe and Bob Knight. She has written seventeen books and has contributed
to the Baltimore Sun, New York Times, Los Angeles Times, and Philadelphia
Inquirer, among many publications. In 2004, Temple University awarded her
one of their most coveted Great Teacher awards, for outstanding
achievement, in particular in the graduate writing program.

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[CTRL] Galloway-Hitchens Debate on C-SPAN2 9AM PT This Morning - Sunday 9/18

[Mark S Bilk]

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The George Galloway/Christopher Hitchens debate will be televised 
on CSPAN-2 BookTV at these times, according to the message below:

Sun Sept 18 noon EST-- Shown on the cspan.org website.
Mon Sept 19 5:30am EST  -- Not shown on the website.

Since only the 9/18 9am PT/noon ET showing is listed on the CSPAN
website, if you want it, you should record it then.

Forwarded message -
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 19:03:38 -0400
From: Pamela Somers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Hitchens-Galloway Debate tonight!

The George Galloway/Christopher Hitchens Debate
last Wednesday was great! Hitchens had quite a following that turned
out at Baruch, which was sold out, and I think all the streams were
full. People listened on the internet from all over the world. I think
they said they had about 500 in the chat room at one point. 

It will be televised on CSPAN 2 BookTV this weekend. Here's the
schedule:
Sun Sept 18 noon EST
Mon Sept 19 5:30am EST 

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[CTRL] FBI raids Minneapolis City Council member's house, Green Party member candidate for re-election

[Mark S Bilk]

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Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 6:52 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ActionGreens] FBI raids Green City Council candidate in Minnesota

Green Minneapolis City Councilman Dean Zimmermann's
house was raided and his computers, files, financial
records(campaign and personal) and campaign literature
are all being reported to have been confiscated and
may include sample ballots for the 10 Green candidates
in Minneapolis paid for by the Minneapolis/5th
Congressional District Local and being distributed
from Dean's home as a central location with nearly
always someone from his campaign available.

Dean's home has been the staging ground for much of
the networking efforts between our 10 green party
campaigns in the city and with the primary next Tues.
this(whatever this is) is coming down at a very
inopportune time and some suspect it to be political
motivated.

It will be interesting to see how this pans out.  The
FBI agents would only say that the affidavit was
sealed and that they were unable to let anyone know
why the home was being searched.

I'm sure myself and the MN delegates can keep the
national committee informed as further information
becomes available.

David Strand

The story on the FBI search of Dean Zimmermann's home
and campaign materials is in the Star Tribune tomorrow.

http://www.startribune.com/stories/587/5604473.html

Betsy Barnum
Minneapolis

http://www.startribune.com/stories/587/5604473.html
Last update: September 8, 2005 at 6:16 PM
Feds search Minneapolis Council member's home
Rochelle Olson,  Star Tribune
September 9, 2005 ZIMM0909

Federal agents executed a search warrant at the home
of Minneapolis City Council member Dean Zimmermann
today. Zimmermann, a Green party member who is seeking
re-election, was not available for comment, but his
campaign manager, Lauren Maker, said the agents spent
three hours at his home.

Maker said the agents confiscated everything relating
to Zimmermann's campaign, including financial records
and a pre-primary mailing in process. Maker said the
agents told her the affidavit attached to the warrant
was sealed, so she was unable to explain the purpose
of the search.

But Maker also said the agents took Zimmermann's
personal financial records as well.

Zimmermann, a first term council member, is seeking
re-election and because of redistricting is in the
same ward as council vice president Robert Lilligren,
a DFLer.

Dean ZimmermannThey shut down the campaign, Maker
said. It's politically motivated.

Maker said she drew that conclusion because of the
timing five days before the primary.

   -
Rochelle Olson is at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Wcco.com live tv coverage of FBI raid can be seen at
http://wcco.com/video/?cid=5

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[CTRL] Ralph Schoenman and Mya Shone in person in SF, Wed. Aug 31

[Mark S Bilk]

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Please mark your calendars, tell your friends and co-workers, 
and post widely.

Pacifica Radio programmers Ralph Schoenman and Mya Shone 
- in person - present:

The London Bombings: The Footprints of State Terror

Wednesday, August 31, 7:00 to 10:00 p.m., at the
Women's Building, 3543 18th Street near Valencia, San Francisco.

Come hear the definitive expose' of the role of British, U.S. and 
Israeli intelligence in planning, carrying out and concealing the 
London bombings as a prelude to such attacks in the United States.

Join us in revealing the preparations for military rule under the 
Northern Command.

We document and analyze the relationship between foreign and 
domestic intelligence operations, The War on Terror,  and the 
economic problems of everyday Americans.

$10.00 donation at the door.  No one turned away for lack of funds.

Ralph Schoenman and Mya Shone produce Taking Aim, heard weekly on
Pacifica's WBAI in New York, and archived at www.takingaim.info 

Ralph Schoenman was Secretary General of the International
Tribunal on U.S. War Crimes in Indochina. He was a leader of the
anti-nuclear movement in Great Britain, negotiated the release of
political prisoners in many countries and has lectured widely on 
the assassinations of President John F. Kennedy, Robert F. Kennedy 
and Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Mya Shone is an economist and has a long history as an activist 
involved in political, community and labor issues. She worked 
closely with both Casa Nicaragua and Casa El Salvador during the
struggles taking place in Central America and was the coordinator 
of the Tri-County (Santa Barbara, Ventura, San Luis Obispo) Labor 
Party chapter. She was also a newscaster and reporter at KPFK in 
Los Angeles.

For more information or interviews: 
Contact Ralph Schoenman and Mya Shone at 707-552-9992

Calendar listing:

The London Bombings: The Footprints of State Terror. 
Ralph Schoenman and Mya Shone analyze the relationship between 
foreign and domestic intelligence operations, The War on Terror,
and the economic problems of everyday Americans. 
Wednesday, August 31, 7:00 - 10:00 p.m., Women's Building 
3543 18th St., near Valencia, San Francisco. 
For more information contact: 707.552.9992.

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[CTRL] Debt Conspiracy and Economic Crash

[Mark S Bilk]

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Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 18:59:42 +0700
From: President, USA Exile Govt. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Crashing Down on Top of Us

Forwarded with Compliments of Government of the USA in Exile (GUSAE):
Free Americans Proclaiming Total Emancipation and Working Towards
Democracy.

  FYI, please read and get a plan in place to ensure the viability of
your community through self-sufficiency and cooperative
interdependence.  You must have a local monetary system in place to
do this. It is later than you think.  ACT NOW.

From: Reinhold Ziegler
Date: 06/07/05 21:59:26
To: ecopilgrim
Subject: A MUST-READ: The Financial Endgame Slowly Plays Out - and then...

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/053105_world_stories.shtml
http://www.safehaven.com/article-3134.htm
This article first appeared on www.clivemaund.com

 The Financial Endgame Slowly
 Plays Out - and Then...
By Nigel Maund
May 27, 2005

 the Sudden Systemic Implosion which will usher in the Brave New
World

Capitalism requires people to be quiet souls in the workplace and wild
pagans at the cash register. - Ron Chernow, 1949, US Journalist

Amongst the growing plethora of warnings--some erudite, some emotional--
Mr. Paul Volcker's commentary in the Washington Post entitled, The
Economy on Thin Ice, of April 10th, has to be taken very seriously,
given the former's position as Chairman of the Fed from 1979 to 1987,
when he was succeeded by Alan Greenspan. Volcker was forced into making
very tough economic decisions in 1980, which he did by raising interest
rates sharply to cool a vastly overheated market. Volcker acted as the
Fed Chairman should, responsibly, and, therefore, like few other market
commentators has immense gravitas when he flags up major economic
issues as he has done. However, the magnitude of the present Fed
Chairman's problems are on a hitherto unimaginable scale. No country,
or central bank, has ever attempted an exercise in FIAT money creation
of such truly breathtaking proportions before. Moreover, no exercise in
FIAT money creation has ever successfully worked over the long-term in
any nation where it has been attempted. Before the post WW2 acceptance
of the US dollar as a proxy global currency, no country has had the
unique opportunity to try such an exercise out on a global scale. Dr
Greenspan knows this. So, you may well ask, what on earth is he up
to? and, equally importantly, why is it being done?

It is easy to caste Dr Greenspan as the befuddled Mr McGoo leading
America to economic and financial ruin. However, such a denigration of
this man's abilities is entirely misleading and dangerously erroneous.
The Fed has some of the finest financial and economic brains on the
planet. Therefore, the more acceptable answer as to why the (digital)
US$ money base has been exploded on an astronomic scale has to centre
on it being a part of a globally based economic and political strategy.
The fact that this strategy has not been spelled out to the world at
large implies a hidden agenda, and, furthermore, a conspiracy. Whilst
the conspiracy theory of history is mocked by the media as the realm
of scaremongers, the ignorant and the naïve, anyone who has merely
studied the history of Britain's Kings and Queens, over the last 1,000
years, will readily see that conspiracies were very much part of court
life, national government and Britain's international policy. Nothing
has changed. Indeed, with the advent of widespread literacy, modern
media and information technology, the obfuscation of, and power to
corrupt facts has been raised to a new and more sophisticated plane.

Baking the news cake for palatable reception and consumption is an
art form perfected for specific markets, based on the cultural and
educational profile of the local, national or even international
consumer. CNN, CNBC, NBC and Fox News are little more than propaganda
organisations serving up a daily McNews for the generally poorly read
and travelled, culturally naïve, and generally poorly educated US
consumer, on the basis that those who eat junk, drink junk, read junk,
watch junk and listen to junk deserve, well... just more junk? Mr.
Hitler and Dr Goebbels would have been heartily jealous of such a
malleable and docile, if not to say almost bovine populace, who could
readily absorb such shallow rubbish and believe it all! Unfortunately,
the insidious US-style media is polluting the planet in the global
attempt to produce a dumbed down, ignorant, poorly educated and
malleable global serfdom, hooked on trashy TV and video entertainments
and other such puerile nonsense, and moreover, up to their necks in
debt and easy credit. Again, one is led to ask why? Aren't we living in
the enlightened 21st Century?. or, are we regressing to type, as
demonstrated over thousands of years of human suffering at the hands of
our own dubious species?

Over the past four years, since the 

[CTRL] Daniel Hopsicker's Globalist PRopaganda Program

[Mark S Bilk]

 study about
VNRs, says the same self-interest that encourages news directors to use VNRs
dictates that the material is used responsibly.
CANDACE WHITE: See, I trust news producers to be able to weed out true news
value; I give them credit for being able to recognize blatant sales pitches.
Our study found that the corporate videos were used the least, and the ones
about health and safety were used the most.
BOB GARFIELD: But it's not necessarily the blatant sales pitches that are so
dangerous. It is the subtle sales pitches, and the implication of
independent journalistic approval conferred on a company or organization and
its point of view, which is why her study's co-author, journalism professor
Mark Harmon, sees VNRs as (quote) insidious devices by corporate America to
control the American agenda. Nor is the problem restricted to the local
news. Not only do major networks use VNR footage. At least one, CBS, has a
division which produces and distributes them. This gets back to the disdain
and fear voiced by author and consumer advocate John Stauber.
JOHN STAUBER: All public relations is not sinister or evil or bad. But I
think the important thing to understand is that indeed all public relations
is propaganda.
BOB GARFIELD: So whether it's images of a NASA space walk or a
self-congratulatory sound bite from your Congressman or swell health news
about delicious calcium-fortified Tropicana orange juice, the message for TV
news consumption is as ever: Let the viewer beware. While TV runs into
problems when it fails to separate advertising from programming, it
certainly can't do without advertising all together, and sponsors aren't
picking up the programming tab out of the goodness of their hearts. They
need an audience to watch the commercials. And the steady shrinking of
network audiences is creating a gathering terror. The latest shocker from
the A.C. Nielsen Company, a report that since last season alone, 750,000
men, aged 18 to 34 --advertisers' most coveted demographic -- have simply
stopped watching TV. Joining me now to discuss this bombshell is David
Poltrack, executive vice president of research and planning at CBS. Dave,
welcome to On the Media.
DAVID POLTRACK: Thank you, Bob.
BOB GARFIELD: All right, 750,000 human souls vanishing, just disappearing.
What's going on?
DAVID POLTRACK: Well I wish I had the answer to that question. This is one
of these anomalies that turns up in the audience measurement system
occasionally, and would just be sort of a idle curiosity if it didn't mean
so much economically.
BOB GARFIELD: Fine. It may be an anomaly, or it may just be some sort of
blip that will be self-correcting. But what if it isn't? Is it possible that
this is, as someone put it, the canary in the mineshaft?
DAVID POLTRACK: Advertisers are not going to abandon network television to
any significant degree unless they can find something better, and the
fragmentation in the television marketplace has impacted the television
network audiences significantly, but it hasn't really created any new
alternative. The fact that the networks have maintained their pricing is
really a function of the fact that the top 20 shows have had significantly
less erosion than the balance of the shows. So the premium product of
network television has relatively held up. And in this particular case, of
course, it's not just the network audiences going down. It's the overall
audience that's going down. So there will be no relative winner in this, if
it continues, which means that there's not an alternative out there that's
getting stronger as a result of this, so it'll probably have very little
effect in terms of the supply and demand mechanics of the marketplace.
BOB GARFIELD: I want to ask you for a moment to at least consider taking off
the rose-colored glasses. Recently you were quoted responding to a
projection that the use of personal video recording devices like TiVo was
going to quintuple by the year 2007, which will in effect dramatically
reduce the number of people actually watching commercials broadcast on over
the air television. You were quoted as kind of shrugging, saying, well you
know, we lose a certain percentage of our audience every year to cable, and
yet the model continues to be going strong. Is it possible that between the
growth of the internet, between the introduction of such devices as TiVo and
other PVR technology, and the overall fragmentation of the audience that
networks are close to losing the critical mass of gigantic audiences that
enable them to sustain this model, and that there's a death watch on for the
goose that lays the golden egg? Is that one of the possibilities?
DAVID POLTRACK: Well these are all changes that we have to adapt to. We
recognize that we can't count on just our distribution system to keep us on
top, and we have to look at cross-platform types of arrangements,
re-purposing, all of the different things that are going to be very much a
function of an environment where the viewer

Re: [CTRL] [cia-drugs] Fwd: constantine

[Mark S Bilk]

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In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Organization: http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911

Kris, did Alex Constantine send you his criticism of Hopsicker
so that you could post it on your lists, as you have posted
his many articles on Khashoggi  Co. during these past weeks?
If so, I think you should let us see it.

While you are Hopsicker's associate, as I found when I dialed
the phone number on his madcowprod.com website whois record
and found myself talking with you 8^), Constantine is a very
knowledgeable and highly regarded researcher, and intellectual
honesty should compel you to post his original message, not just
Hopsicker's answer to it.

  Mark

On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 11:34:22AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Daniel Hopsicker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: constantine
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 02:10:17 -0500

coupled with a little mind, a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing

a constantine report exclusive about me was forwarded to me by kris millegan.
and while i can find no constantine report for which this would be major 
breaking news,
still, being attacked by a wing-nut is unpleasant enough to provoke a response.

however, his first accusation is so baseless as to render his diatribe 
meaningless:
nowhere have i even HEARD that ruppert got 40k from his widow and 
orphan-robbing friends.
thus i would have been unable to make the accusation in my vicious lashing 
out.

thus in his very first overwrought paragraph, mr. constantine is guilty of 
slander, or libel,
(there is a difference between the two, which i should remember, but don't),
and i strongly urge whoever's website he has posted this to to remove it on 
that basis.

and i need make no defense against specious claims that i have lied about 
things which i never said in the first place.
my background in business television, such as it is, is EXACTLY as i have 
stated publicly, and not immodestly:
along with numerous other business-related productions, i once produced a 
business show, global business 2000, which aired internationally on nbc.

no doubt by accident, mr constantine does us all a service by pointing out 
that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
so, apparently, is going off your meds.

daniel hopsicker
  - Original Message -
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 7:49 PM
  Subject: Fwd: 911 Author Daniel Hopsicker1s Credentials are Fraudulent


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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [ctrl] BUSH PROPAGANDA POSTERS APPEAR ON CLEAR CHANNELBILLBOARDS

[Mark McHugh]

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Kris Millegan wrote:

[snip]

 BUSH PROPAGANDA POSTERS APPEAR ON CLEAR CHANNEL BILLBOARDS


I'm waiting for the statues to go up and Bushburg, Bushville, Bushtown to appear
in every state.

--
´´
Mark McHugh

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[CTRL] Why We Must Actively Oppose Religious Fundamentalism -was- Why the poorer folks turned right

[Mark S Bilk]

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In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Organization: http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911

All conscious people must work to expose, educate about, and
fight against the anti-human teachings and principles of
Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions.  They must be combatted
directly, but without blaming their believers.  We have to be
_more_ direct about this, not less.  Since there are also some
pro-human teachings in these religions, we can identify these
and use them with believers to show why they should reject the
harmful ideas -- domination, anti-sexuality, male supremacy,
genital mutilation (circumcision in Judaism and Islam),
anti-rationality, blind belief in and obedience to authority,
hatred of homosexual people, and other anti-human beliefs falsely
labelled as morality.  There is only one valid principle of
morality, and it's very simple:  Do not harm people or other
sentient beings.

The Right constantly strives to indoctrinate people with these
anti-human principles, because they believe in them themselves
or because they use them to motivate people into domination and
war, and then profit from the resulting death and destruction.
If we emulate the Democratic Party and simply go along with
these increasing anti-human trends in our culture in an attempt
to get the believers to support us, we will abandon our own
pro-human principles and still lose the indoctrinated believers,
who will continue to flock to the fascists for assurance that
their already-programmed viciousness and hatred are legitimate
and justified.

The terms left elitism, latte liberals, etc., used by the
original poster (below) are fascist propaganda that we should
never accept.  If people laugh about religious fundamentalists
it's only to cover up our fear that the fundamentalists' horrible
belief systems are spreading and overwhelming the pro-human
cultural elements in our societies, and thus inevitably leading
to massive domination, misery, murder, and planetary death.
We should face these awful facts squarely and stop laughing.

Currently some fascist/fundamentalist Christians in the U.S. are
allied with fascist/fundamentalist Jews (Zionists) in Israel to
start a nuclear war -- Armageddon -- in the Middle East for the
Christians and to expand Israel to include the eastern third of
Egypt and the western half of Iraq (Greater Israel) while
implementing the Final Solution for the Palestinians.  As one of
the pretexts for this bogus War on Terror they use the actual
suppression and maltreatment of women under Islam in most Moslem
countries.

We must directly challenge and fight the fundamentalist beliefs
while feeling and expressing kinship with the believers, since
they are people like ourselves, but who have been programmed to
hate and harm others.  We must expose and undo that programming.
It requires much intelligence, persistence, and kindness to
discover and practice ways of accomplishing this, but we have
no other choice.

Judeo-Christian-Islamic fundamentalist beliefs are like cancer
viruses that replicate within living cells and spread to other
cells, programming them all to attack and destroy their neighbors,
and thereby causing a breakdown of the cooperation among cells and
organs that is necessary for life, resulting in death of the whole
organism.  We must be like the immune system and fight against
these destructive beliefs, helping the people who believe in them
to see how harmful the beliefs are, and giving them help and
support for whatever they feel they need the beliefs for.

There is no other choice.  If religious fundamentalism is allowed
to continue to spread, in our world of immense technological
destructive power and perilous ecological fragility, it will be
the end of the human species and probably of all life on Earth.

References:

  http://www.dhushara.com/book/renewal/voices2/eisler.htm

  _The Chalice and the Blade_, by Riane Eisler, 1988, ISBN
  0-06-250-289-1, HarperSanFrancisco, $18.  An overview of the
  archaeological work of Marija Gimbutas and others.  It explains
  the macro-history of human culture, and proves that domination,
  patriarchy, and war are culturally programmed, rather than
  biologically innate.

  _Sacred Pleasure: Sex, Myth, and the Politics of the Body_,
  by Riane Eisler, 1996, ISBN 0-06-250283-2, HarperSanFrancisco
  Continuation of the topics of _The Chalice and the Blade_,
  including the events that triggered the origin of dominator
  culture.


On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 03:44:39PM -0800, Avis Worthington wrote:
...
Think before you speak.  For instance, the often repeated phrase-A woman has
a right to control her own body.

Many iffy words to conservatives.  We'll pass on A, but woman could mean
uppity, shouldering aside the menfolk.  Right, some say there's too much
talk about rights.  Control, oh, my God, woman control could be worse than
government control.  Body.  You mean, all pink and nekkid?  Can't think
about that.

And then it looks like these women have no use 

[CTRL] SMOKING GUN: Bush Plan To Prevent Democracy In Iraq And Steal All Assets

[Mark S Bilk]

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http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=383
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/adventure_capitalism.php

One thing stood in the way of rewriting Iraq's laws and
selling off Iraq's assets:  the Iraqis.  An insider
working on the plans put it coldly:  `They have [Deputy
Defense Secretary Paul] Wolfowitz coming out saying
it's going to be a democratic country -- but we're going
to do something that 99 percent of the people of Iraq
wouldn't vote for.' 

Adventure Capitalism - The Hidden 2001 Plan
to Carve-up Iraq

by Greg Palast
Wednesday, October 27, 2004
TomPaine.com

Why were Iraqi elections delayed? Why was Jay Garner
fired? Why are our troops still there? Investigative
reporter Greg Palast uncovers new documents that answer
these questions and more about the Bush administration's
grand designs on Iraq. Like everything else issued during
this administration, the plan to overhaul the Iraqi
economy has corporate lobbyist fingerprints all over it.
  ---

In February 2003, a month before the U.S. invasion of
Iraq, a 101-page document came my way from somewhere
within the U.S. State Department.  Titled pleasantly,
Moving the Iraqi Economy from Recovery to Growth, it
was part of a larger under-wraps program called The
Iraq Strategy.

The Economy Plan goes boldly where no invasion plan has
gone before:  the complete rewrite, it says, of a
conquered state's policies, laws and regulations.
Here's what you'll find in the Plan:  A highly detailed
program, begun years before the tanks rolled, for
imposing a new regime of low taxes on big business, and
quick sales of Iraq's banks and bridges--in fact, ALL
state enterprises--to foreign operators.  There's more
in the Plan, part of which became public when the State
Department hired consulting firm to track the progress
of the Iraq makeover. Example:  This is likely
history's first military assault plan appended to a
program for toughening the target nation's copyright
laws.

And when it comes to oil, the Plan leaves nothing to
chance--or to the Iraqis.  Beginning on page 73, the
secret drafters emphasized that Iraq would have to
privatize (i.e., sell off) its oil and supporting
industries.  The Plan makes it clear that--even if we
didn't go in for the oil--we certainly won't leave
without it.

If the Economy Plan reads like a Christmas wishlist
drafted by U.S. corporate lobbyists, that's because it
was.

From slashing taxes to wiping away Iraq's tariffs
(taxes on imports of U.S. and other foreign goods), the
package carries the unmistakable fingerprints of the
small, soft hands of Grover Norquist.

Norquist is the capo di capi of the lobbyist army of
the right.  In Washington every Wednesday, he hosts a
pow-wow of big business political operatives and right-
wing muscle groups--including the Christian Coalition
and National Rifle Association--where Norquist
quarterbacks their media and legislative offensive for
the week.

Once registered as a lobbyist for Microsoft and
American Express, Norquist today directs Americans for
Tax Reform, a kind of trade union for billionaires
unnamed, pushing a regressive flat tax scheme.

Acting on a tip, I dropped by the super-lobbyist's L-
Street office.  Below a huge framed poster of his idol
(NIXON-- NOW MORE THAN EVER), Norquist could not wait
to boast of moving freely at the Treasury, Defense and
State Departments, and, in the White House, shaping the
post-conquest economic plans--from taxes to tariffs to
the intellectual property rights that I pointed to in
the Plan.

Norquist wasn't the only corporate front man getting a
piece of the Iraq cash cow.  Norquist suggested the
change in copyright laws after seeking the guidance of
the Recording Industry Association of America.

And then there's the oil.  Iraq-born Falah Aljibury was
in on the drafting of administration blueprints for the
post-Saddam Iraq.  According to Aljibury, the
administration began coveting its Mideast neighbor's
oil within weeks of the Bush-Cheney inauguration, when
the White House convened a closed committee under the
direction of the State Department's Pam Wainwright.
The group included banking and chemical industry men,
and the range of topics over what to do with a post-
conquest Iraq was wide.  In short order, said Aljibury,
It became an oil group.

This was not surprising as the membership list had a
strong smell of petroleum.  Besides Aljibury, an oil
industry consultant, the secret team included
executives from Royal-Dutch Shell and ChevronTexaco.
These and other oil industry bigs would, in 2003,
direct the drafting of a 300-page addendum to the
Economy Plan solely about Iraq's oil assets.  The oil
section of the Plan, obtained after a year of wrestling
with the administration over the Freedom of Information
Act, calls for Iraqis to sell off to IOCs
(international oil companies) the nation's downstream
assets--that is, the refineries, pipelines and ports
that, unless under armed occupation, a Mideast nation
would be 

[CTRL] The Bulge On Bush's Back -- Technology

[Mark S Bilk]

-Caveat Lector-

In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Organization: http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911

the rest of the bulk could be the receiver and battery
pack, i still dont understand why its so big.

The prompter's transmitter and Bush's receiver would likely
utilize digital encryption and spread-spectrum technologies.
This would prevent the signal from even being detected, e.g.,
with a scanner or spectrum analyzer, much less decoded by any
receiver except the one Bush was wearing.  To any instrument
except the synchronized receiver operating from the same
encryption key, such a radio signal would be indistinguishable
from random background noise.  This is mature, readily available,
off-the-shelf technology.  Here's a nice tutorial in an online
journal devoted to the subject:

  http://www.sss-mag.com/ss.html

A box containing the sophisticated receiver, microprocessor,
digital-to-analog converter, amplifier, and battery might easily
be the size of the bulge on Bush's back.  The earphone would fit
entirely inside the ear canal (and have to be inserted and
removed with tweezers).

The only tough part would be getting the decoded audio signal
from the box on Bush's back to the earphone.  Another, very
short, unencrypted radio link would be hampered by the
conductivity of the flesh surrounding the earphone, which would
attenuate radio waves, and it would also risk detection by
another receiver.  Instead, the connection might simply have
been made by a pair of very fine wires from the box, coming up
the back of Bush's neck, below the external ear, and into the
ear canal.  Painted matte flesh color, the wires would not have
been visible.

The radio link from the person doing the thinking and prompting,
to the box on Bush's back, would have been implemented with
undetectable spread-spectrum and encryption techniques in order
to prevent a repeat of the previous fiasco that occurred during
a Bush speech in France, and perhaps another more recently:

http://www.google.com/search?num=100q=bush+earphone+france+cnn
http://www.google.com/search?num=100q=bush+earpiece+france+cnn

  Television viewers have sometimes heard another voice
  speaking Bush's words before he says them. When Bush spoke
  at D-Day ceremonies in France last June, for example, viewers
  watching on CNN, Fox and MSNBC, including mediachannel.org's
  Danny Schechter, were startled to hear another voice
  speaking Bush's words as if to prompt him. Some said this
  continued into a q  a. And on the night of 9/11, when Bush
  appeared on television to address the nation, viewers of one
  television station in Quincy, Massachusetts heard another
  voice speaking, slowly and carefully, a few words at a time --
  words which were then recited by the president. The voice was
  nondescript, male, definitely not the president's voice, says
  Quincy resident Robyn Miller. This went on for at least four
  sentences, she says, and then the extra feed was cut off.


I just read an article linked at whatreallyhappened.com that
suggests that this bulge is too big for a transmitting device,
but it might be a heart monitor, which when combined with
Bush's drooping jaw, might indicate that he has recently
suffered a mild stroke.  This seems to make sense, too --
because they would use the smallest transmitting device
possible to avoid detection, and the bulge in his back is huge.

00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
and the commission put no electronic devices on the president
or Senator Kerry. When asked about the bulge on Bush's back,
the official said, I don't know what that was.

Interesting they say that the COMMISSION didnt put anything
on his back. im sure it wasnt them, it was Rove, the CIA,
Cheney, the RNC or ???

McKenna said that, given its shape, the bulge could be
the inductor portion of a two-way push-to-talk system.

PTT (push to talk) is old, and like a walkie talkie, i am sure
the NSA,CIA etc..  have much better equipment these days. a
cell phone wuold be smaller, i cant figure out why they needed
something so huge. If you look closely , it looks like there
is a wire under his jacket as well, running up from the box.
this could be an antenna, they would need a long one like that
if they were remote (more than 1-200 feet away) the rest of
the bulk could be the reciever and battery pack, i still dont
understand why its so big.  James Bond had a much smaller one,
Brad


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[CTRL] _The New Pearl Harbor_ Still On Indymedia; Bush-Nazi Sources

[Mark S Bilk]

-Caveat Lector-

Organization: http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911

I don't know where the PDF files were, but the HTML file of
_The New Pearl Harbor_ is still at these addresses:

THE NEW PEARL HARBOR -- 911 (the book) : Vancouver Indymedia
http://vancouver.indymedia.org/print.php?id=141355
http://vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2004/06/141355.php

I suggest that lots of people download it, put copies up on their
own websites, and publish the addresses widely.

The information about wealthy American businessmen, including
both of G W Bush's grandfathers,  providing about 75% of the
financing for Hitler's military buildup, can be found in these
websites and books:

http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/noon.html
http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm
http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=detailcatalogno=NN_Bush_Nazi%20Link
http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=detailcatalogno=NN_Bush_Nazi_2
http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/

_Trading With The Enemy_, Charles Higham, 1983
_All Honorable Men_, James Stuart Martin, 1950
_Who Financed Hitler?_, James  Suzanne Pool, 1978

On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 11:18:21AM -0700, Hank Ramey wrote:
Subject: Re: Did anyone get the URLs to the sites IndyMedia reported telling us which 
Neo

...-Nazi groups were connected to the Bush administration and in
which way?

WHAT ARE THE NAMES OF THESE NAZI AGENTS?

Thank you George Heinrich Himmler Bush, Jr. The pdf files of The
New Pearl Harbor where removed because of these fucking Nazis! BUSH
SHOULD BE PERMANMENTLY CENSORED THIS NOVEMBER!

In fact, there ought to be a lawsuit against these agents FOR
CENSORING THE INTERNET! I WANT NAMES SO THAT WE CAN SUE THE BASTARDS!

--- In
http://us.f807.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ps.comYY=69770order=downsort=datepos=0
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Travis George
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yesterday, the FBI ordered the ISP Rackspace to turn
 over servers that host an international alternative
 media forum called IndyMedia, which is often first to
 break stories that are reported later in the
 mainstream media after the presstitutes realize that
 everyone's talking about and aren't even bothering to
 tune in, since they're not bothering to cover what
 everyone's talking about.

 The thing that's got people really in an uproar is
 although it was solely the US government that cracked
 down on free speech (so what else is new?), the action
 affected   IndyMedia servers all over the world.
 Besides the US, servers in UK, Germany, Italy, Brazil
 and just about all of France except the Paris servers
 were affected.  Nearly all the data hosted on those
 IndyMedia servers that were forced offline has been
 lost.  Apparently Rackspace is a US company, so even
 though it has servers in different parts of the world,
 they were pressured into believing they had to turn
 over those servers as well.  Rackspace is actually
 under a GAG ORDER that prevents them from giving
 details about the subpoena.

 But since IndyMedia has been online for over five
 years, and the Bush administration's crack down on
 free speech and dissent isn't exactly a new thing,
 people are wondering why now.  Sure we're getting
 close to the election, but nearly all of us have
 agonized over the election for months now.  Why should
 they launch this strange attack now in particular??

 That's when I read a post at this site
 ( http://www.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/111999.shtml
http://www.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/111999.shtml)  It
 referred to a posting that had been deleted - not the
 original mass deletions upon the server being served
 with a subpoena, but a posting that referred to
 another posting that sought to explain why now, and
 why so suddenly - the poster said they had read a
 response that referred to ties between the Bush
 administration and various neo-nazi groups...  and
 THESE TIES WERE AMONG THE VARIOUS THINGS POSTED ON THE
 INDYMEDIA SERVER...  since there's so many things
 IndyMedia reports on, it was hard to determine the
 exact cause.

 But...  a few moments later, EVEN THE POSTING THAT WAS
 WONDERING what happened to the posting talking about
 the original Bush junta/Neo-Nazi ties cited on
 IndyMedia was deleted... although the thread itself
 remained.  I've scoured those IndyMedia sites that
 weren't hosted by Rackspace in the hopes that I could
 find the URLs that were cited in the response linking
 the Bush/Neo Nazi ties to the subpoena, but
 unsurprisingly it seems to have vanished. If anyone
 here visits IndyMedia, and had seen the original
 information info about Bush's ties to Neo Nazi groups
 and can provide me the URLs I'm looking for that
 documents these ties, I'd very much appreciate it if
 you could send me that info.

 And if someone responds to this messages, and this
 Yahoo Group is deleted shortly afterwards, you'll know
 that there's truth to this, because the government
 doesn't want you to read it.  So I encourage you to CC
 the response to 

[CTRL] Millegan's Attacks On Eastman, Webfairy, etc. -was- In Plane Site ...

[Mark S Bilk]

 in Dick Eastman's case
because I've come to know him very well, and besides, the evidence
backs him up!  I've also seen his mistaken accusations against
others (e.g., Mike Ruppert), based on inadequate knowledge of what
they've written, just like I've seen your unproven accusations,
Kris, against him.  Based on the various good work you've done,
and your willingness to talk about things on the phone, I don't
think you're an agent either, just a hothead like he is.  The
same is probably true for Mark Robinowitz, who also ignores all
the Pentagon physical evidence and attacks Eastman, and Gerard
Holmgren, who's been doing a lot of yelling and screaming about
other researchers lately, too.  And I sense complete sincerity
from Webfairy, and hope soon to have my computer modernized so
I can properly see the videos on her website.

People, let's try to avoid the circular firing squad scenario.
If we don't hang together...

  Mark

On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 12:46:25PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Webfradudy, full of crap and throwing mud as usual.

Trying to put in wegdes all over the place aren't you.

Your comment - Your research about Gray/Khashoggi opened up such a big hole
that even
Milligan could see it.

Just what are you trying to imply?

Don't be shy Webfrauddy.

Oh, and you are real cute playing the poor ol' victim game. I feel so sorry
for you. Not.

Webfrauddy, remember, you were caught twice using Email forgeries. You,
Eastman and Sean Mc Bride

That is reality. You have no credibility, just mud, rhetoric and lies

Peace,
Om
K

In a message dated 8/15/04 9:23:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 So you still stand by notions like there is no such thing as
 perspective, close stuff can look exactly the same size as distant
 stuff, and a plane doesn't have to exhibit any of the symptoms of
 plane-ness to be a plane, as long as your imagination adds the missing
 elements, huh?
 Pathetic.
 The video footage has it's own story to tell.
 Yes, it is manipulated.
 Yes it is faked.
 I didn't do it.
 I noticed it.
 You help play the shoot the messenger game against me.
 I say woah, nellie when they try the shoot the messenger game against you.
 Your research about Gray/Khashoggi opened up such a big hole that even
 Milligan could see it.

 Rabidnitwitz hit a wall and left a rabidnitwitz shape hole.

 Your continued attempt to legitimize the thoroughly discredited media
 version of events leaves you with some pretty dicey comrades. You have
 my sympathy, and my pity.? At least you can see how quick they are to
 turn on you.

 I rue your continued attempt to cover up Missilegate, but I'm still
 grateful you exposed the money and players behind Missilegate.


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[CTRL] Democratic Party's War on Terrorism Picks Up Steam

[Mark S Bilk]

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Forwarded:

Today on KPFA radio (Pacifica's Berkeley outlet), during the morning show,
an  interview with ex senator (and presidential candidate) Gary Hart, who is
now advising Kerry on foreign policy. He blasted Bush with the increasingly
common theme that Bush's policies are hurting the war on terrorism. Hart
co-wrote with ex senator Rudman of New Hampshire a report on the war for
the Council on Foreign Relations a couple of years ago, which concluded the
US was losing because it wasn't fighting it well enough. Then in the Evening
News, a report on Richard Clarke speaking to an ACLU meeting, attacking Bush
in the same language, saying the war on terrorism is a must-win and Bush
is losing it.
And another segment in the news promoted John Edwards, the populist hero.
Not reported was Edwards' moves to push for a domestic spy agency like
Britain's M.I.5. See
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/july2004/070704spyagency.htm
Another interesting item on Edwards in yesterday's NY Times, about the
Bilderberg (!) conference in Italy in early June, a secretive and exclusive
(120 of the cream of the global elite) meeing where Edwards spoke on
politics and got a rousing ovation in violation of their rules. His
performance at Bilderberg was important said a friend of Kerry. I BET!
http://www.rense.com/general54/biler.htm
the URL of the NY Times article is there, you need to register (free) to get
to it (as often happens with the Times)
(If you don't know much about Bilderberg, FIND OUT. That's the real world
gov't)

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[CTRL] Porton Down Chief CBW Defense Scientist Killed In Plane Crash

[Mark S Bilk]

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Sounds like engine failure; probably could have been caused by a
HERF-gun attack if the ignition is electronic.  This is suspected
in the Wellstone assassination.

Thanks to Scott Loughrey and Jeff Strahl for finding this item.
Another Top Bioweapons Expert Killed
http://www.rense.com/general54/hehi.htm
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3155120

   Fri 2 Jul 2004
   2:10pm (UK)
   Air Crash Victim Was Weapons Expert
   By Sam Marsden, PA News
   The pilot of an aircraft who died alongside three passengers when it crashed
   into a field was an expert in chemical and biological weapons, it emerged today.
   Dr Paul Norman, 52, of Salisbury, Wiltshire, was killed when the single-engine
   Cessna 206 he was piloting crashed in Devon on Sunday.
   A father and daughter also died at the scene, and 44-year-old parachute
   instructor and Royal Marine Major Mike Wills later died in hospital.
   Dr Norman, who was married with a 14-year-old son and a 20-year-old daughter,
   was the chief scientist for chemical and biological defence at the Ministry of
   Defence's laboratory at Porton Down, Wiltshire.
   He travelled the world lecturing on defending against the scourge of weapons of
   mass destruction, a friend and colleague said today.
   Steve Eley, chief scientist for hazard reduction at Porton Down, said: Paul was
   a great deal larger than life, and has left an enormous number of friends, all
   of whom have lost an irreplaceable part of their lives.
   Dr Norman's hobbies included parachuting, flying and looking after his small
   collection of old cars.
   Following study in Liverpool, the USA and Canada, he started work at Porton Down
   in 1986 and became an expert in his field.
   The Cessna crashed near the village of Beacon, east Devon, a few miles from
   Dunkeswell airfield, where it took off.
   The aircraft's other two passengers, 16-year-old Daniel Greening from
   Kingsteignton, Devon, and a 23-year-old from Taunton, Somerset, are still in
   hospital.
   Daniel's family said yesterday that he had survived thanks to the selfless
   actions of other skydivers on board.
   He was making a tandem jump with Major Wills, based at the Commando Training
   Centre, Lympstone, Devon, who was one of the world's leading parachutists.
   The skydiving ace, from Tiverton, Devon, had 5,900 jumps to his name and had
   held world and UK records.
   The flight was organised by the Devon and Somerset Parachute School, which has
   temporarily suspended its operations.
   The crash site was examined by officials from the Air Accidents Investigation
   Branch.
   The wreckage of the aircraft was removed from the site to the AAIB base at
   Farnborough.
   Retired police officer Eric Franklin, 66, from Beacon, has described seeing the
   aircraft flying low over his farmhouse and hearing the engine cutting out and
   spluttering before the crash.

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[CTRL] John Kerry and the One Big Property Party

[Mark S Bilk]

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The latest broadcast (040629) of the excellent Pacifica Radio program
Taking Aim investigates John Kerry's associates, funding, and policies.
Of course he's better than Bush, right?  Anybody But Bush...

You can listen to it here:

   http://www.takingaim.info/shows/audio.html

More on Kerry's policies -- read the references:

   http://weholdthesetruths.org/politics/Articles/new-direction-murphy.htm

Note: the Washington Post article is still there, just moved; keep clicking.

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Re: [CTRL] New Light On JFK Mysteries With A 911 Perspective

[Mark S Bilk]

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Organization: http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911

Ralph Schoenman was the director of the Who Killed Kennedy Committee
and worked directly with Jim Garrison.  He currently co-hosts an
excellent weekly radio program on Pacifica station WBAI-FM in New York;
the shows are archived for listening at http://www.takingaim.info .

I forwarded the article to him and he responded:

This is sheer slander and government disinformation.

Jim Garrison was no more employed by Carlos Marcello than you are.

Walter Sheridan was a notorious government agent sent in to slander
and destroy Garrison.

All of this is amply documented and known to anyone conversant
with the JFK killing.

It is imperative that this government disinformation about Garrison and the
JFK killing should be exposed, not promoted.


 New Light On JFK Mysteries
 With A 911 Perspective
 From Brasscheck
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 6-27-4

 It's instructive that some of the most useful analyses about
 how contemporary America really works come from the memoirs
 of gangsters.

 In case you didn't notice - and I didn't until I picked up I
 Heard You Paint Houses - the mystery of the 'disappearance' of
 Jimmy Hoffa has been solved. He was done in by long time friend,
 Teamster official, and veteran hit man Frank Sheeran and his
 body was cremated in a mob-controlled funeral parlor.

 But that's not the most interesting part of Sheeran's life story.

 First some background... Sheeren was a *major* mob figure. US
 Attorney, Rudy Giuliani listed him as a member of 'The Commission'
 along with people like Tony Salerno, Tony Provenzano, and
 Carmine Persico.

 In addition to his Sheeran's other skills, he was a skilled hit
 man who, according to his own account, killed people with the
 same nonchalance people change socks. It wasn't unusual for him
 to be sent to kill two different people in two different cities
 over a single weekend.

 Sheeran's biography I Heard You Paint Houses was written by
 Charles Brandt a former prosecutor and Chief Deputy Attorney
 General of Delaware, and a nationally recognized expert on
 cross-examination and interrogation techniques. Brandt was
 rigorous in his efforts to document Sheeran's life story.

 Some fascinating new information that appears in the account of
 Sheeran's life...

 1. Chicago boss Sam Giancana was often accompanied at meetings
 with Jimmy Hoffa by none other than Jack Ruby. (Pg. 119) Dan
 Moldea got independent confirmation of this and it appears in
 his 1978 book 'The Hoffa Wars.'

 2. David Ferrie was New Orleans boss Carlo Marcello's personal
 pilot.

 Sheeran recalls an incident where he was instructed to deliver
 an empty truck to a airfield in Maryland.

 Another truck appeared filled with soldiers who loaded uniforms,
 weapons and ammunition aboard Sheeran's empty rig. David
 Ferrie was present (he arrived by private plane) and provided
 Sheeran with paperwork to help him avoid being detained by
 police. He instructed Sheeran to deliver the truck and its
 contents to E. Howard Hunt and a group of anti-Castro Cubans in
 Jacksonville. (Pg. 129)

 3. The method of recruiting deranged individuals to use as
 assassins and then arranging for them to be killed on the spot
 is discussed knowingly by Sheeran. The mob used it occasionally
 when they wanted to kill someone at a large public gathering
 and/or were not able to get the person alone. (Pg. 153)

 4. Sheeran was ordered to deliver a package which he believed
 contained three rifles to Campbell's Cement in Baltimore,
 MD. David Ferrie and a member of the Genovese crime family,
 who Sheeran knew but would not name for Brandt, picked up the
 delivery.

 A few days later John F. Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas.

 5. When Kennedy was assassinated, Jimmy Hoffa complained bitterly
 when Harold Gibbons, a Teamster official, flew the flag at half
 staff at the union's national headquarters. Hoffa was to carry
 a life long grudge about the incident.

 During Kennedy's televised funeral, Hoffa said to a Nashville TV
 audience: Bobby Kennedy is just another lawyer now. (Pg. 165)
 More on this later...

 6. Sheeran states that New Orleans DA Jim Garrison who charged
 Clay Shaw and others with the Kennedy assassination was actually
 in the employ of Carlos Marcello and had often done the mob
 favors for example prosecuting a critic of Jimmy Hoffa named
 Walter Sheridan on trumped up charges.

 Sheeran further states that 'friendly' DAs are often employed to
 help flush out potentially damaging witnesses for elimination. As
 Kennedy assassination students know, many witnesses died
 in the course of the Garrison prosecution including David
 Ferrie. (p. 198)

 Interestingly, in a book about Norma Wallace 'The Last Madam:
 A Life in the New Orleans Underworld', Wallace, the operator of
 the last major 'public' brothel in New Orleans mentioned that
 'Big Jim' was notoriously corrupt and venal.

 7. The use of private pilots to take hit men to and from
 

[CTRL] (((Listen))) David Griffin and Michel Chossudovsky Interviewed About 9-11 On KPFK Radio 6/25/2004

[Mark S Bilk]

-Caveat Lector-

This is an excellent program!  Great work, MT and Ian!

An mp3 file of the show is now accessible for streaming or download
(with three others) at:

  http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911

It begins with a trailer for Fahrenheit 9-11.

Hey, KPFK folks, how about getting those archives up to date on kpfk.org?
KPFA has you beat!  8^)

  Mark

On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 11:12:39PM -0700, s culver wrote:
Well, since I missed it -- I was hoping to find it at the archives, but
they are weeks out of date. Any other ideas?

thanks
--Soula

At 03:17 PM 6/25/04 -0700, you wrote:
In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on
Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 11:13:36AM -0700
Organization: http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911

Note that KPFK is now streaming in recordable mp3 format:

  http://www.kpfk.org/listenlive.html

The actual stream address is:

  http://www.kwire.org

And they have archives of their programs at:

  http://www.kpfk.org/archives.html

On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 11:13:36AM -0700, jeff strahl wrote:
From: Another Worldview [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:44:07 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: Fwd: Official Heads Up Re: 6-25 7PM special show

Feedback Loop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Feedback Loop
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Official Heads Up Re: 6-25 7PM special show
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 17:23:09 +

Tune in tonight to hear a special show with MT Karthik and Ian Johnston
speaking with David Ray Griffin author of The New Pearl Harbor, and perhaps
another guest to be announced. Programming focusing on the myths and
realities of the events of September 11th, 2001 needs your support - as does
KPFK, Los Angeles (heard at 90.7 FM, 98.7 FM in Santa Barbara and KPFK.org
wherever you happen to be).

a conspiracy theory. It's just one of the devices that's used in the
American indoctrination system to prevent scrutiny of power. If somebody
does try to provide a critical analysis of American institutions, one of the
ways in which you try to suppress them is to say, well, it's a devil
theory or a conspiracy theory or so on.

Noam Chomsky


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[CTRL] Desmoulins' Attack On Eastman -was- Misuse of my ... intellectual property

[Mark S Bilk]

, and others.)

That is the charitable interpretation of your action; I do not
believe in accusing someone of working for the Fascists without
more extensive evidence.

  Mark S Bilk
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Mon, Jun 21, 2004 at 01:59:56PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi everyone

Dick Eastman sent a post to yahoogroup 911crimefile, visible at :

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/911crimefile/message/14

This yahoogroup, where he is the only person to post, seems to be used by
M. Eastman as personal web pages. In this post, at the paragraph Proof
2, he uses a sketch (a B 757 hiting the Pentagon) copied on my web site at :

http://earth-citizens.net/pages-en/dam-traj.html

He has put on it the text : Civil engineers have plotted to scale a Boeing
757 and
the wall and supporting pillars of the Pentagon.

First : this could be a detail, I'm not civil engineers but a systems
engineer, and I have a name.

Second : usually I am not too much bothered by people using my work, even
without quoting their sources, if they keep the arguments in the original
sense I wanted to mean. But I cannot admit that a sketch could be taken in
my web site, and, without context and without source quoting, be used to
demonstrate the contrary of what I explain about this sketch.

Moreover, in this same post, M. Eastman writes that he has sent this
evidence to the 911 event investigation commission !

I begin to be sick of the way of doing of this person. I have already
writen what I think of his small plane - killer jet theory and of his
personnal behaviour.

http://earth-citizens.net/pages-en/th-odd.html

I have put on line a page about the Lagasse case, on which it is shown
that it is highly probable that either he is a liar, or he is used as a
psyop by the 911 coverup cells of some three letters agencies.

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jpdesm/pentagon/pages-en/th-lagas.html

For those who will doubt of the role of psyops in the diversion theories,
create tension among different groups, enhance dislike and discord, see :

http://members.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/psyops__psywars.htm

I want this type of behaviour to be stopped. I thus ask publicly to M.
Eastman to send to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with copies to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and to [EMAIL PROTECTED], a message
with references to his first message above, explicit apologies, and quote
of the original web page where he copied this sketch, with the mention that
in this page the explanation of the B 757 crash, with the particular point
of the pillars destroyed by the starboard engine, is in complete
contradiction with the statement that he wants to promote.

If this is not done, I won't give up and I will ask, by all available ways,
to have exposed to public the way of doing of M. Eastman. I will also ask
Yahoogroups service to take any practical decisions in order to avoid this
to happen again by forbidding to M. Eastman to create groups, manage
groups, post to groups.

Sorry for wasting your time with such silly things.
Best regards everybody.


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Re: [CTRL] Failed to clean virus file test.zip

[Mark S Bilk]

-Caveat Lector-

I wrote an extensive analysis of the virus e-mails that came
through the CTRL list, but my message never shows up on
the list when I send it.  Kris tried several times to forward the
copy I sent to him, and he was also unable to post it.  Nor did
it ever appear in the list archive at:

   http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/maillist.html

Perhaps this is due to some kind of spam filtering gone wrong.

So I put it on my website so you all can read it.  Maybe one of
the following will show up as a clickable link.  If not, just use
your mouse to copy and paste the first one into the location
line of your web browser.

  http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/misc/VirusCTRL.002

  a 
href=http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/misc/VirusCTRL.002;http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/misc/VirusCTRL.002/a

Please Cc any questions and comments to me personally
as well as to the list.

Let's hope _this_ message gets through!

  Mark

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major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
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Re: [CTRL] Failed to clean virus file test.zip

[Mark S Bilk]

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In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 
05:01:01PM -0700
Organization: http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911

On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 05:01:01PM -0700, Jim S. wrote:
From: MARTI MAURER [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 2:44 PM

2. ALL of Kris Milligan's posts which are *Fwd's* come BLANK (exc. for the
CTRL disclaimer thingee, which is there).

Sounds like your ISP or your own software is removing e-mail
attachments.  See if you can switch that off.

From: Jim S. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I have sent NO post/s -- much less a file! -- to CTRL recently!!!
 So whom is the you addressed???

A virus on person A's computer often selects addresses B and C
from A's e-mail addressbook, creates an infected message labelled
as coming from address B, and sends it to address C.

Or the sender address may not be spoofed, and may simply indicate
person A.

In either case, the virus program in A's computer sends out
e-mails on its own, without any action by the user.

So if a viral mail was sent to CTRL and appeared to come from Jim,
either Jim's computer is infected or someone else's computer is
whose addressbook contains the address of both Jim and CTRL.

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 5:54 AM
 Subject: [CTRL] Failed to clean virus file test.zip

  The file you have sent was infected with a virus but InterScan E-Mail
 VirusWall could not clean it.

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[CTRL] Believe Lies, Absorb a Bullet

[Mark S Bilk]

-Caveat Lector-

What and Why

Because You Believe America's Lies,
Expect a Bullet with Your Name on It

  By John Kaminski
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Note to readers: my computer ate my address book, so if you didn't
receive this directly, don't think I'm ignoring you. To those who do
get this, please pass it around, if you like. I am attempting to
reconstruct my address book.

  Ever wake yourself out of a sound sleep because you were screaming
at yourself in a dream?

  Personally, I've never done that before. Yet I just did exactly that.

  WHAT DO YOU NEED TO TELL THEM?
  AND WHY DO THEY NEED TO KNOW?!

  Over and over I kept berating myself with this manic mantra, tossing
and turning, sheets all tangled up in a sweaty knot. All those
stories I'd written. This subject and that approach. This example and
that phrase. Has it been a waste of time? Most people didn't believe
what I was saying. They couldn't see the importance of it. It was
like I was stumbling through a darkened town in the middle of the
night shouting FIRE! and sleepy people rolled over in their beds
and muttered What the hell is he raving about? before closing their
eyes and going back to sleep. Only the town was America. The year
2004.

  WHAT? And WHY?

  My message was not getting through. People couldn't see the value of
it, the purpose of it. Why would anyone need to know something like
that? That their government had a master plan to kill millions, and
had already killed tens of thousands.

  A conspiracy theory, that's all it was, right?

  What importance could this knowledge - that was so important to me!
- possibly have for ordinary people just trying to live their lives,
just trying to get by. If they kept their heads down and let the
power brokers have their way, it would all blow over - right? And
America would return to the Elysian vision of the past - right?

  Yet my voice wouldn't let me sleep, and my wheezy snore turned into
the very clear barking of a drill sergeant in my turbulent brain.

  This is very important, John. Wake up. They haven't understood what
you've been trying to say. Think clearly about this. Think about what
would work. Think about what would really reach them.

  On the film, the plane flies serenely, over and over, slams into the
facade of the skyscraper, over and over we watch the video and try to
deduce the truth from slow- motion puffs of smoke. From how those
towers fell on cue, as if somebody pulled a switch.

  YOU NEED TO TELL PEOPLE DIRECTLY. YOU NEED TO SPEAK TO THEM,
FORCEFULLY, SURELY, TRULY. STUFF THE EXOTIC THEORIES. JUST MAKE YOUR
POINT.

  You know what a harbinger is? A harbinger is a clue that shows that
something is going to happen soon, especially something bad. You know
when that plane drove into that building? That was a harbinger of
what's going to happen to your very own future!

  YOU NEED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT IT. MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND. MAKE THEM
REALIZE THE DANGER THEY ARE IN.

  I've said it over and over. The U.S. government planned, executed,
and then covered up the 9/11 caper, covered it up with layers of
clumsy lies and false leads, like pseudo hijackers with phony names
and heartwrenching cellphone calls that couldn't have possibly been
made. As Barb Honegger recently wrote on the Conspiracy Planet
website, they covered it up by piggybacking the whole plot on a
military exercise that was being conducted that very day, so that the
air defenses would hesitate intercepting the hijacked airliners, so
that the practice exercise could become real, and the rich oil pigs
could get their way playing hog-in-trough with all the coins in the
U.S. Treasury.

  There were so many other reasons: Silverstein's insurance scam, the
fact that the Twin Towers needed to be demolished anyway because of
flawed construction techniques, the zillions to be made in shrewd
investments guaranteed by the foreknowledge of destruction, and a
sure way to defame Muslims permanently as an excuse to steal their
oil.

  But mostly it was to terminate American democracy, because as
Zbigniew Brzezinski had warned us, no nation could be democratic at
home and rapacious abroad. And America needs to be rapacious abroad
to please its defense contractors, to satisfy the international
bankers who control all our money. This was a good way to end
democracy once and for all, and the deed has been done.

  TELL THEM CLEARLY WHAT REALLY HAPPENED.

  The fat cats who run everything - how do you spell Rothschild? -
determined that this would be the event to trigger permanent war, the
social state that makes bankers the most money. And since there was
no convenient enemy to nurture carefully until it was time to destroy
him - like Hitler or Saddam - the natural thing would be to pin the
blame on Muslims, and continue the racist crusades that have been
going on for a thousand years.

  Just like WTC1 and Oklahoma City (where, in the latter, shadowy
Muslim puppets were waiting in the background to serve as patsies
just in case 

Re: [CTRL] An Interesting op developing

[Mark S Bilk]

-Caveat Lector-

In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 
11:45:27AM -0400
Organization: http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911

On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 11:45:27AM -0400, Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now, I may be wrong, but there maybe a scenario op going on. .
[generalities snipped]
What we have are operatives and ensnared true believers trying to set-up
themselves up as the 9-11 researchers. Claiming that thier take is right and
all others are part of the modified-limited-hangout.

Which is exactly what Kris Millegan himself is doing here!

As long-time members know, I have been talking about Berlet and
his conspracism charges for years and   exposed him for all to
see on the NewPacifca list several years ago.

Yup, about four of us hit him with the facts and he disappeared
without conceding defeat.  Berlet is one of the biggest
pro-elite (while claiming to be leftist) propagandists.

A new wrinkle has been the apperance of known op Chip Berlet
on gatekeeper Amy Goodman's show..  Notice that Chip focussed
on the no-plane at the pentagon. This is to furthur muddy the
waters and to try and then link Berlets position with others,
that also say that there was a plane there. And then try to
smear by association of position.

This vague reasoning applies to Millegan as well, since he's
taking the same position (the 757 hit the Pentagon) as Berlet.

The op players or true believer/useful idiots are:

Scott Loughrey
Gerard Holmgren
Rosalee Grable (a.k.a., the Web Fairy)
Jeffrey G Strahl
Sean McBride
Dick Eastman

Most of these people have done very good work.

Note that putting Web Fairy in with the others is quite dishonest
(Mark Robinowitz does it, too), because she says that no planes
hit the WTC (which would require some unknown technology to
create the illusion that they did), whereas the others just say
that the 757 (Flight 77) didn't hit the Pentagon, which does not
require any facts not in evidence, and actually fits the evidence
much better.

But Kris will have to add the following 9-11 researchers to his
list of op players/useful idiots, because they too think that
the 757 did not hit the Pentagon:

Mike Ruppert, 757 pilot Ralph Omholt, Kee Dewdney, Brad Mayeux,
Chris Bollyn, Carol Valentine, John Kaminski, Thierry Meissan,
Jerry Longspaugh (physics911.org), Jim Hoffman, and myself.

These folks will play to the crowd with bonafides and patriotic talk.
They are really quite transparent.

Or, we're telling the truth, and Kris Millegan is the evil
disinformation agent... or maybe his analysis simply disagrees
with ours.

But the evidence that the plane did not hit includes:

If it had knocked down the cloverleaf light poles on its way in
then it would have hit the stone wall at almost a 45 degree angle,
followed the path of least resistance, and most of it would have
slid down the *outside* of the building.

If it had hit, much of its 100,000 pounds of aluminum and steel
would have ended up on the lawn.  Instead there were only a few
small pieces.

If it had hit, the lawn and tree would have been burned by the
jet fuel.  They weren't.

Ralph Omholt's web page shows a piece of metal inside the
Pentagon, probably a landing gear strut, that was *rusted*, and
therefore must have been planted there, since those airliners
are kept very clean and shiny.

The initial holes in the wall were too small, and too close to
the ground, for the 757 to have made them.

If the light poles had been hit by a 400 mph airliner, they
would have been twisted like spaghetti.  They weren't.

The alternative scenario, that the 757 (which was seen coming in
by many witnesses) flew over the Pentagon and landed somewhere,
has none of these problems.  It only requires some other means
(e.g., invisible matte black steel wires) to have pulled down
the light poles after their mounting screws had been loosened,
and maybe that the one that hit the taxi was tossed from a truck.

The objections by Kris Millegan and/or Mark Robinowitz to this
scenario include that it would supposedly have required dozens
of MIBs running around to pull the poles down.  This is a
ridiculous exaggeration -- little boxes containing radio-
controlled electric motors could have been buried at 4AM the
night before by a few agents disguised as maintenance men, and
no one would have had to be on the scene the next morning.
Another objection is that the scenario violates Occam's Razor,
but this doesn't apply if the alleged simplest explanation
doesn't fit the evidence, or if there's a possibility that
deception was employed; both conditions exist here.  Kris also
claims that since we don't know what happened to the plane and
passengers afterward that this invalidates the idea, which just
doesn't make any sense.  It's like saying that someone couldn't
possibly have driven his friends to a restaurant because we don't
know which restaurant they went to or where he parked the car.

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[CTRL] Pentagon 757 Flyover Review -was- evidence index...

[Mark S Bilk]

 be alive
somewhere.

  Mark Bilk
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Sun, May 23, 2004 at 09:23:51AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Vince Sauve posts:

I would like to know what HARD evidence there is for a missile? The hole
is way too big for a missile. The squiggly white vapor seen in the first
Pentagon security camera frame is too wavy to be from a missile. I've seen
missiles in flight before and I have never seen such a wavy (up and down,
up and down) vapor before. To me that white vapor is definitely not
evidence of a missile. Also why bother with a missile attack when flight
77 will do? As I said before the hole is big enough for all of the most
massive parts of the 757 to crash through. The limestone showed fractures
on the pre collapse walls where the wing tips didn't have enough mass to
brake through. The only exception was the vertical tail wing, but this
could be because the tail wing moved down (not necessarily under the
influence of gravity) while the plane was being crushed. Some say but the
windows weren't broken above the impact. But this doesn't surprise me
since I have seen poly carbonate glazing withstand rifle bullets.

 Bill Callison posted:

 Perhaps Dick Eastman and Mark Rabinowitz each  have a hand on the
elephant of what hit the Pentagon, where, and why.Eastman cites
considerable evidence of a missile.  Others cite
 considerable evidence of the airliner.  It appears that the military
authorities went to considerable lengths,  as civilian authorities did
in New York, to hide and destroy evidence during the clean-up, making
our quest for the truth more difficult and more fractious.

Perhaps both the airliner AND a supplemental missile hit the Pentagon.
 At first glance this seems redundant on the planners' part, but not
necessarily.  Put yourself in their shoes.  For one thing, in addition
to the general objectives of the plot, Eastman reminds us that they had
specific targets in the Pentagon as well:  the ONI, which had the
potential to unravel their plot if they survived, and those assigned to
investigating Defense Dept. contracts.  With everything at stake, would
they depend on an airliner flown by a fanatic hijacker, or even one
under electronic control, to strike the Pentagon exactly so as to take
out their targets and minimize the damage to other personnel and
 facilities?

An analogy with the Kennedy assassinations:  they gave Oswald a rifle,
 but they didn't depend on him to do the job.  They gave Sirhan a pistol
but they had someone more reliable execute Bobby at close range.  The
airliner is the cover story, but to make sure you hit the exact spot
with exactly the right explosive load, you want to send in a missile,
perhaps homed in on a secretly broadcast signal.  You don't have to
make flight 77 disappear.  Crash it too, though I have trouble
 believing that, even with missile back-up, they would let an alleged
hijacker's reflexes determine the point of impact of the plane on the
Pentagon.

 On Tuesday, May 11, 2004, at 12:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  Mark Robinowitz posts:
  At 9:48 PM -0700 2004-05-10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Dick Eastman posts:
 
  Subject: INDEX OF BEST EVIDENCE   9-11  Pentagon
 
  Please note that this is not a formal write-up, but merely a
  memorandum
  to alert you to the existence of this body of best-evidence
  information. Include several links to many formal write ups, such as
 those at Physics911.
 
  Physics 9/11 is a website that asserts that a missile caused a plane
like imprint on the WTC north tower.   There are numerous photos of
the  north tower that clearly show the impact caused by large wings.
This is so  easy to debunk that it raises serious questions about the
intent (or  sanity) of the missile attacked the WTC advocates.
 
  Muddying the waters is an old tactic to confuse people from looking  at
 the most credible material.
 
  You have each denigrated the finding that the Boeing 757 overflew the
  Pentagon as a smaller aircraft, armed with missiles, was crashing
 directly below.  I am convinced that in light of the following
  compilation of independent lines of proof from a variety of evidence
and testimony, that your possition is not longer tenable.
 
  I seriously doubt that Mr. Eastman has ever been to this area.  If he
 had, he might realize that thousands of people would have seen the
overflight of this plane, since there are large highways full of
commuters, rapid rail line, and numerous large office buildings full of
  military officials and contractors -- many of them would have
  noticed the hitherto unprecedented flight of a jet coming from the
 direction of the Pentagon in a place that planes do not normally fly. It
  is near National Airport, but planes landing there don't pass that
 direction.  Also, they need more time to lower their landing gear -
planes need more than a mile to accomplish this.
 
  1. Pentagon security camera shows
  a.  Too short a plane
  b.  Smoke trail of a missile being fired

[CTRL] Hugh Thompson on 60 Minutes Tonight

[Mark S Bilk]

-Caveat Lector-

Hugh Thompson, the helicopter pilot who stopped the My Lai massacre
by turning his guns on Calley's soldiers, is sheduled to be on the TV
show 60 Minutes on CBS tonight, 7pm PT (check your local schedule).

Note that current Secretary of State Colin Powell helped to cover up the
My Lai massacre.

The wonderful Song for Hugh Thompson by David Rovics can be
listened to and downloaded here:

http://www.soundclick.com/pro/default.cfm?BandID=111310content=music
http://www.soundclick.com/pro/default.cfm?BandID=111310content=lyricsSongID=763764

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[CTRL] Uncle Bam cartoon for 5/07/04

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 22:45:00 EDT
Subject: Your Uncle Bam cartoon for 5/07/04

Hello everybody,

Here's your weekly dose of antiwar satire: This week's Uncle Bam cartoon
URL: http://unclebam.homestead.com/BamVert59.html

Nine Eleven Hoax

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[CTRL] Is This When The Explosives Were Planted In The WTC Towers???

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:29:13 -0400
From: John Kaminski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Fwd: Official Verison of 9/11 - new info]

Can anybody use this piece of information?

jk

From: Scott Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Official Verison of 9/11 - new info
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:35:12 +

To John Kaminski,

I was pleased to read your article The Official Version of 9/11 is a Hoax
... Please note some other facts. My name is Scott Forbes and I still work
for Fiduciary Trust. In 2001 we occupied floors 90 and 94-97 of the South
Tower and lost 87 employees plus many contractors.

On the weekend of 9/8,9/9 there was a 'power down' condition in WTC tower 2,
the south tower. This power down condition meant there was no electrical
supply for approx 36hrs from floor 50 up. I am aware of this situation since
I work in IT and had to work with many others that weekend to ensure that
all systems were cleanly shutdown beforehand ... and then brough back up
afterwards. The reason given by the WTC for the power down was that cabling
in the tower was being upgraded ... Of course without power there were no
security cameras, no security locks on doors and many, many 'engineers'
coming in and out of the tower. I was at home on the morning of 9/11 on the
shore of Jersey City, right opposite the Towers, and watching events unfold
I was convinced immediately that something was happening related to the
weekend work ...

I have mailed this information to many people and bodies, including the 9/11
Commission but no-one seems to be taking and registering these facts. Whats
to hide? Can you help publicise them?

Please feel free to mail me.

Scott Forbes

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[CTRL] The Difference Between Money Wealth -- also Derivatives Bubble

[Mark S Bilk]

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As published in Business Ethics, January/February 1999. Please
address requests for permission to reprint to Marjorie Kelly,
editor, P.O. Box 8439, Minneapolis, MN 55408, U.S.A., Fax (612)
879-0699

The Difference Between Money  Wealth
How out-of-control speculation is destroying real wealth

by David C. Korten

The capitalist economy has a potentially fatal ignorance of two
subjects. One is the nature of money. The other is the nature
of life. This ignorance leads us to trade away life for money,
which is a bad bargain indeed.

The real nature of money is obscured by the vocabulary of
finance, which is doublespeak. We use the term investors
for speculators, whose gambling destabilizes global financial
markets. We use the terms money, capital, assets, and
wealth interchangeably--leaving no simple means to differentiate
money from real wealth. Money is a number. Real wealth is in food,
fertile land, buildings, or other things that sustain us. Lacking
language to see this difference, we accept the speculators'
claim to create wealth, when they expropriate it.

If in the 1980s we witnessed capitalism's triumph over communism,
in the new millennium we may witness capitalism's triumph over
life. For in the vocabulary of capitalism, the destruction of
life to make money is progress.

When a defender of global capitalism asks, What is your
alternative? We've seen that central planning doesn't work, one
can respond, Adam Smith had a good idea. I favor a real market
economy not centrally planned by governments or corporations. The
vital distinction here is between the market economy Adam Smith
had in mind, and the capitalist economy, which he would have
abhorred.

In a healthy market economy, enterprises are human-scale and
predominantly locally owned. People bring human sensibilities
to bear on every aspect of economic life--resulting in
self-organizing societies that maximize human freedom and minimize
the need for coercive central control.

Capitalism, by contrast, is about using money to make money for
people who have more than they need. It breeds inequality. Though
capitalism cloaks itself in the rhetoric of democracy, it is
dedicated to the elitist principle that sovereignty resides in
property rather than in the person.

A real market economy creates real wealth. Global capitalism
creates out-of-control speculation, which destroys real wealth.

  a.. It depletes natural capital by strip-mining minerals,
forests, and fisheries, and by dumping hazardous wastes that
turn productive land and water into zones of death.

  b.. It depletes human capital through substandard working
conditions, as in the Mexican maquiladoras, where vital young
women emerge after a few years with failed eyesight, allergies,
and repetitive stress injuries that leave them permanency
handicapped.

  c.. It depletes social capital by uprooting factories on which
communities depend--leaving society to absorb the family breakdown
and violence that result.

  d.. It depletes institutional capital by taking tax dollars
through public subsidies and tax exemptions, and real wealth
by weakening environmental standards essential to long-term
societal health.

Living capital, which has the special capacity to regenerate
itself, is the source of all real wealth. To destroy it for
money--a number with no intrinsic value--is an act of collective
insanity.  A real-world example of this insanity is the 1997
Asian financial crisis, in which a so-called financial miracle
became a meltdown. That meltdown began in Thailand and spread
through Malaysia, Indonesia, South Korea, and Hong Kong, as
economies fell like dominoes. While specifics differed, the
experience of Thailand reveals the underlying pattern.

During the economic miracle phase, large inflows of foreign
money fueled rapidly growing financial bubbles in stock and
real estate prices. (When too much money chases too few assets,
those assets artificially inflate in price.) Those inflated
bubbles attracted still more money, much of it from international
banks eager to make loans to speculators, who secured loans with
the inflated assets. As foreign currency poured in, consumers
had the wherewithal to purchase imported goods, sales of which
skyrocketed--creating the illusion of a booming economy.

Buying rapidly appreciating stocks or real estate seemed, for
a time, a better deal than making productive investments in
industry or agriculture.  Ironically, the f aster foreign inv
vestment flowed in, the more investments were sucked away from
industry and agriculture and production stagnated or declined in
both. Foreign financial obligations thus rose, while the capacity
to repay those obligations fell. Once the speculators realized
this was not sustainable, the meltdown began. Speculators pulled
money out in anticipation of a crash, stock and real estate prices
plummeted, and banks were left with uncollectable loans--creating
a liquidity crisis.

Capitalism can thus create an 

[CTRL] Faking the Pentagon Light Pole Hits -was- NO PLANE NUTTERS

[Mark S Bilk]

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Organization: http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911

In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from
[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 12:52:28PM -0400

On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 12:52:28PM -0400, Kris Millegan wrote:
Brian Salter wrote:
 ...
 i've never been convinced that the witness accounts and the
 downed light poles could have been caused by anything other
 than a real airliner or equivalent stand-in, and as bob notes
 the fly-by doesn't seem at all possible.  but at the same time
 the pentagon damage and wreckage anomalies seem compelling.
 ...

The downed light poles could easily have been faked.  People
disguised as a highway maintenance crew could have loosened the
bolts (or partially cut them, whatever) holding the poles to the
highway, and fastened high-strength steel wire (piano wire)
painted black for near invisibility, to the poles.  The wires
could have been pulled as the plane flew over, above the poles
and over the Pentagon, by one or more buried boxes, about one
cubic foot in size, containing a simple motor and pulley, storage
battery, and radio receiver to operate them upon the transmission
of a coded signal (as in a garage door opener).

These are all off-the-shelf components that could be assembled
by any electronics hobbyist; the battle robots people build in
their garages to fight on TV are far more complex than this.
There would be some mechanical means to detach the wires from the
poles afterward, or maybe a couple of the emergency responders
did it surreptitiously with wire cutters, and then gave another
radio signal to the boxes to reel them in the rest of the way.

Simple stage magic -- deception and misdirection.  Remember, the
perpetrators had years to plan this stuff.

The light poles are the only substantial evidence that the
plane (apparently a 757 seen by a number of witnesses) was so low
that it had to have hit the building.

Actually, the plane flew over the Pentagon, and as it did, a
billowing petroleum explosion -- really just a whoosh of flame,
standard movie variety, with no shockwave that could have knocked
the plane off course, was set off, which gave the illusion that
the plane had hit the building and exploded.  Just like a stage
magician vanishing in a puff of smoke.  The plane would then
have joined the traffic around Reagan Airport, a mile further in
the same direction, and flown away or landed.

This scenario accounts for the plane sightings, the light poles,
the lack of plane debris on the lawn and inside the Pentagon,
and the initial holes in the building that were too small and
too low to have been caused by a 757 impact.

The aircraft could subsequently have been made to disappear
temporarily, simply by painting new identification numbers on it.
But since its component parts with their serial numbers probably
could be identified, it was likely cut up and buried somewhere.

Presumably the passengers met a similar fate, unless some were
insiders who were relocated and given new identities a la witness
protection programs.

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[CTRL] Pick your price: Your blood or your soul - Kaminski

[Mark S Bilk]

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Pick your price: Your blood or your soul
Do you support our killer troops
committing genocide in Iraq?

By John Kaminski
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

What would you do if your brother -- or perhaps your son, father,
or husband -- was charged with murder? With deliberately taking
the life of another human being.

For sure, it would be an agonizing decision -- making the choice
between practicing what you preach about justice, or standing by
your devastated family. A choice no one would envy -- defend your
blood or obey the laws of God and society.

And then, what if it was a particularly bad murder? Say he shot
an old woman in the back, and watched her die -- all the while
preventing medical personnel from tending to her. Maybe she was
already wounded and he finished her off. From a helicopter, even.

It sure would be tough to keep your family -- your mind, your
heart -- together in that situation. Who could blame you whatever
you decided.

Of course, things are different in the middle of a war, even a
completly illegal war based on well-publicized lies like the
situation in Iraq.

I mean, it's easy to say your were just following orders. That's
what lots of Nazis did in World War II, but they still were put
to death in the trials following the war.

I wonder what will happen when and if Americans find themselves
in that situation in the near future.

Being in a military situation means everything is different.
Innocent civilians always get killed accidentally when the
military's involved. Some are accidental, some are deliberate,
but mostly we never get to know the difference. Bodies get thrown
in holes and are forgotten, except by some of the living who
years later wake up screaming in the middle of the night.

Long after the grisly facts become known, sometimes we get a
little tardy justice. Mostly we don't. Remember when former
Senator Bob Kerrey tried to give back his Vietnam medals,
admitting he killed women and children rather than the dangerous
enemy gunmen his valor citations described. How did the public
react? Hell, we didn't want to hear him. We told him to keep his
medals, keep quiet, and forget about the whole thing.

Demonic demagogues like Joseph Farah, Michael Savage and Rush
Limbaugh all have recently recommended killing large numbers of
innocent Iraqis to teach them a lesson. The lesson being it's
not cool to mess with Uncle Sam and mutilate his hired killers,
the highly paid mercenaries he hired to assassinate Iraqi
intellectuals so when America has that tortured nation
sufficiently lobotomized, there will be a minimum of intelligent
people around to protest the new democratic prison camp that
America has created.

The United States and Britain have decided to adopt the Pol Pot
theory of social engineering -- kill everyone with academic
credentials. And when the irate Iraqis decide to strike back at
this masterpiece of Israeli-style population control, the U.S.
ups the ante on its already-high atrocity level -- and bombs a
totally defenseless town from the air, no matter who gets killed,
and murders all the males under 45. Repeat: murders all the males
under 45. That's what's going on right now, my dear American
compatriots, in the inferno called Fallujah, Iraq. It's called
genocide. No question about it.

This is how your American boys are behaving in a foreign country.
Your sons, your husbands, your fathers.

Hey! They were just following orders. Based on lies.

This is what your country is doing to innocent people. Killing
them without a second thought, without regard for who they are or
what they've done, how many children they might have or how many
wonderful things they've done in this life.

Hell, they don't worry about the children because they're killing
them, too. Listen to that doctor, forced to set up his clinic in
a filthy garage, describe a little boy with a shell of a skull
missing its brains. Or the man who was brought to the clinic with
burns so bad he will automatically dehydrate to death in 24
hours. How about the boy they threw in the river, and he couldn't
swim so he drowned? Or when the fighting first began, the hundred
teenagers hooded and kept in the sun, and then shot to death by
your beloved Americans boys, one by one.

This was all done by your sons, your husbands, your fathers. Just
following orders.

You know, we all ought to be very scared that these killer punks
will be coming home soon, all with the taste of blood on their
tongues, ready and willing to tell us all about the wonderful
experiences they had in Iraq, or at least the ones who don't
immediately get sick and die from the radioactive ammunition they
had to handle or the poisonous vaccines they had to endure, at
least they'll be able to tell us how they fought the War on
Terror in Iraq by shooting defenseless women in the back and
bombing residential neighborhoods and splattering body parts all
over the tan brick walls of Baghdad.

They were scared. It's OK to kill people when you're 

[CTRL] Israel Murdering Iraqi Intellectuals

[Mark S Bilk]

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From: Dick Eastman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Israel -- realizing that Iraq cannot stay captured
  is secretly murdering all Iraqi intellectuals who can operate
  government, economy and health post-occupation
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 05:39:44 -0800

Israeli infiltrators (Mossad and other special units)  --
realizing that Iraq cannot stay captured is murdering all Iraqi
intellectuals who might have operated government and economy
post-occupation  -- and killing some American's who are talking
against the operation.  They are determined that Iraq will not
be able to sustain a middle class after the conquerors withdraw.

The specific targeting of doctors and pharmacologists suggests
intentions of future biological warfare against this miserable
innocent victim nation.  (Remember the rash of recently dead
(accidents, suicides etc.  and two on Flight 77 on 9-11-01)
leading microbiologists throughout the world as you read
the following.)

Dick Eastman
  

Iraqi intellectuals flee unidentified 'death squads' By
Ahmed Janabi Tuesday 30 March 2004, 13:04 Makka Time, 10:04
GMT http://tinyurl.com/2a9cw

Occupied Iraq is suffering a new brain drain as intellectuals
flood out of the country to avoid unemployment and an organised
killing campaign.

In recent months assassinations have targeted engineers,
pharmacologists, officers, and lawyers.

More than 1000 leading Iraqi professionals and intellectuals
have been assassinated since last April, among them such
prominent figures as Dr Muhammad al-Rawi, the president of
Baghdad University.

The identity of the assailants remains a mystery and none have
been caught.

But families and colleagues of victims believe that Iraqi
parties with foreign affiliations have an interest in wiping
out Iraq's intellectual elite.

Media reports suggest that more than 3000 Iraqi academics
and high-profile professionals have left Iraq recently, not
to mention the thousands of Iraqis who are travelling out of
the country every day in search of work and safety.

Iraqis used to leave Iraq during the 13-year UN sanctions for
better work opportunities, but they are leaving now to avoid
being assassinated by unknown, well-organised death squads,
said political analyst and politics professor Dhafir Salman.

Usama al-Ani, director of the research and development
department in the Ministry of Higher Education and Scientific
Research said top Iraqi scientists have been targeted by
foreign parties.

I believe Iraqi scientists are being targeted by foreign
powers, most probably Israel.

Terror campaign

Monday's issue of the pro-US Iraqi internet newspaper Iraq of
Tomorrow reported that the decapitated body of mathematics
professor Dr Abd al-Samai Abd al-Razaq had been found in a
Baghdad street.

Aljazeera.net contacted Dr Abd al-Samai's family in Baghdad
and was surprised to find him very much alive.

They published such a story to terrify me and my family, he
told Aljazeera.net, accusing political and religious parties
of turning Iraqi universities into political battlefields.

Since occupation, universities have become fertile recruitment
ground for political and religious parties. Students should
be devoted to their studies, not to serving the interests of
those who seek power.

These groups are targeting me and all my colleagues who want
to preserve respected Iraqi institutions from destruction.

De-Baathification

Aside from the terror campaign, measures taken by the post
occupation authorities have contributed to Iraq's brain drain.

I would like to ask the de-Baathification committee why
they are so happy that many thousands of Baathists have been
sacked from Iraq's governmental departments and educational
institutions? Salman says. Do they think they have done
well? Of course, not.

They have sacked Iraq's elite professionals; who will replace
them? Where will the replacements come from? After all,
these people are Iraqis, is this in line with the national
reconciliation they are talking about?

Before the war on Iraq, US and UK officials repeatedly accused
the Iraqi government of triggering the exodus of four million
educated Iraqis.

But under the occupation the rate of emigration has increased.

Iraqi universities have lost 1315 scientists who hold MA and
PhD degrees, al-Ani said. This number constitutes eight per
cent of the 15,500 Iraqi academics.

Up until now, 30% of those who were sacked as result of the
campaign have left Iraq.

Education system

Iraq is rich in intellectuals, largely as a result of Saddam
Hussein's policy of sending tens of thousands of Iraqi
students abroad to gain post-graduate degrees in a wide range
of disciplines.

The practice fell into abeyance when UN sanctions were imposed
in 1990 following Iraq's invasion of Kuwait.

In the country itself, where education has been free since the
abolition of the monarchy in 1958, most of the 20 universities
in Iraq also awarded post-graduate degrees.

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Re: [CTRL] I AM A ILLUMINATI FREEMASON--YOU GUYS ARE IDIOTS (MUST READ)

[mark twain]

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heres a reply for all of your replies

Caveat Lector-
I SEE A LOT OF POST ON THIS SITE ABOUT ILLUMINATI/FREEMASON THAT IS A BUNCH
OF B.S.
I AM A LEVEL 7 ILLUMINATI MEMBER
I AM A 34TH DEGREE FREEMASON!

Zandu Goldbar
$
reply,
i didnt say i was a 7TH degree i said i was a level 7 a degree isnt a
level (your not on my level)...but you should have known that since you are
a 34th degreeoh by the way, since you are a 34th degree, answer the
questions i have posted below for all of us to see
1) what is the sword to your enterance?
2) how many senses do you have (you should have learned this in your 2nd
degree)
3) is the sun hot or cold (you should have learned this in the 4 degree)
4) what color of light hurts our masters?
5) Have you passed the test of the mortals?
6) in what direction did you humm to re-align yourself?
7) do you believe in god?
im am not here to argue, im just here to clear up some misinformation that i
see on this forum. like the statement that g.w.bush is a reptile!! ha ha ha
ha thats funny!!! if you were a true illuminati, then you would know that
everyone on this planet is half reptile
From: Allen Woodham
Subject: Re: [CTRL] I AM A ILLUMINATI FREEMASON--YOU GUYS ARE IDIOTS (MUST
READ)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:27:15 -0800

-Caveat Lector-
Level 7 is kindergarten stuff. If this guy is 'on the level' then it is he
who is hoodwinked.
reply,
level 7 is not kindergarten stuff!!! here, let me translate level 7 for you
(70 over 360) im on my way to (180)...now do you get it...if you were on
the level then you would know what that means.
the books you guys read about illuminati/freemasonry is mostly
dis*information!!!
im only here to help, i will be posting for 30 days only, so ask me what you
can
jt wrote,
Do they not teach Freemasons how to use the caps lock? I, for one, think it
should be required at some lower level.
reply,
thats funny, i only put on the caps to get my point across. understood
to all,
you guys are living inside of a matrix (maze-of-tricks) that our order
created hundreds of years ago...if you want the key/sword i can give it to
you. as you ask me questions about the world you will slowly discovery the
key
thank you
louis sypher
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Re: [CTRL] I AM A ILLUMINATI FREEMASON--YOU GUYS ARE IDIOTS (MUST READ)

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[CTRL] I AM A ILLUMINATI FREEMASON--YOU GUYS ARE IDIOTS (MUST READ)

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I SEE A LOT OF POST ON THIS SITE ABOUT ILLUMINATI/FREEMASON THAT IS A BUNCH
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[CTRL] how do i post

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[CTRL] Feb. 18 TV ONLY - Film On GW Bush Cocaine/AWOL Bio _Fortunate Son_

[Mark S Bilk]

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In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 
03:14:26PM +0700
Organization: http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911

On Wednesday Feb. 18, once only, will be shown on Cinemax cable
channel the documentary film Horns and Halos about the book
_Fortunate Son_ by James H Hatfield.  This book details
George W Bush's cocaine arrest, AWOL episode from the National
Guard, crooked financial dealings, etc.

Hatfield was murdered for writing the book, and the least
*you* can do is videotape the movie, and then show it to
everyone you can drag in front of your TV.

The main Cinemax channel has a West Coast feed and an East
Coast feed.  They show the same films, but 3 hours later on
the West than the East.  Your cable system may get either or
both.

If you're on the West Coast (Pacific Time), the broadcast times
on the two feeds will be 4:00PM (East feed) and 7:00PM (West feed).
If you're on the East Coast (Eastern Time), the times will be
7:00PM (East feed) and 10:00PM (West feed).  If you're on the
East Coast watching the East Coast feed, or if you're on the
West Coast watching the West Coast feed, the film will be shown
at 7:00PM local time.  In any case check the schedule for your
cable system.

I'm being redundant here because this film may very likely only
be shown once -- *ever*.  So please have a blank video cassette
ready and tape it.  Send the film's creators some money if you
can.  (There's not much you can do for Hatfield.)

Official site:
http://hornsandhalos.com/

IMDB entry:
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0319514/

According to zap2it.com, these are the exact times in PACIFIC TIME:

   Horns and Halos
   Documentary

   A published biography on President George W. Bush causes
   controversy and a recall.

   CHANNEL: Cinemax East Coast Feed
   February 18: 4:00PM Pacific Time

   CHANNEL: Cinemax West Coast Feed
   February 18: 7:00PM Pacific Time

   RATING: NR ***

   90 Minutes

On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 03:14:26PM +0700, President, USA Exile Govt. wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Jim Kirwan
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 12:01 AM
Subject: Fw: Horns and Halos/ Watch It Feb. 18

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 10:08 AM
Subject: Fwd: Horns and Halos/ Watch It Feb. 18

In a message dated 2/8/2004 3:25:03 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

The film Horns and Halos is about the attempted suppression and
burning of the book Fortunate Son and the fate of its author, J.
Hatfield.

The book, a critical biography of Bush, contains accounts of numerous
scandalous activities including Bush going AWOL from the National
guard, his selling of his stocks in Harken Oil just before they
became worthless, his acquisition of the Dallas Rangers stadium for a
fraction of what it cost the taxpayers to build, etc.

Shortly after taking office, the Bush administration pressured the
original publisher into recalling the book from the shelves and
burning as many existing copies as possible. Fortunately another
publisher has picked up on the book and continues to publish
it--despite pressure from the administration.

The author was recently found dead under somewhat dubious
circumstances.  He allegedly died of a drug overdose, but he had no
known history of drug use.

On Wedneday, Feb 18, Cinemax will air this documentary, telling the
story about the admistration's attempts to destroy both the book and
its author. Once again, the title is Horns and Halos. Set your
VCRs, and check your local listing for the time.

Kerry Hart
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[CTRL] Review and Links on Colin Powell -- Coverup of My Lai, Iran-Contra, etc.

[Mark S Bilk]

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colin powell: don't ask about my lai, don't tell about iran-contra
http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id803/pg1/

Colin Powell's Legend
http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/colin.html

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[CTRL] 9-11 Researcher Dick Eastman On Internet Radio Tonight

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The program is Mysteries of the Mind, and begins at 6pm Pacific,
9pm Eastern Time.  Eastman will be on about 30 minutes into the show.

Go to either of these Web pages:
http://www.mysteriesofthemind.com
http://www.kathymcmahon.utvinternet.com/mrn/mrnews.htm

Or just copy this stream URL into your audio player:
http://ftp.prmediacast.speedera.net/ftp.prmediacast/Discount_Streaming/asx/mysteriesofthemind.asx

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[CTRL] The Race to the Rainbow Bridge (reformatted)

[Mark S Bilk]

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The Race to the Rainbow Bridge

The choices are clear: either tyranny or enlightenment

By John Kaminski
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 My first instinct is to tell you this has nothing to do
with current events, politics or religion, but in fact it has
everything to do with all three.

 My second instinct is to say the most important principle
in human politics is separation of church and state - not to
prevent the timeless and proven principles of all religions from
benefiting humanity, but simply to preclude the bickering and
misunderstanding over terminology that diverts all arguments
about what will enable the human race to survive its own nasty
habits into frivolous sectarian hairsplitting.

 As a species, we are on the brink of a passage toward a
new way of living, of existing, of organizing human society on
our planet. The old way has failed, demonstrably. Power accrued
to the hands of a greedy few does not result in trickle-down
benificence, as the inbred rich continue to insist. And we have
no knowledge that a genuine democracy could achieve a greater
degree of justice because no actual democracy has ever been
in place. But we do know that the old system produces endless
wars and toxic graveyards, so wouldn't it be worth at least
a try to attempt genuine democracy just once?

 Humans are unable to resist material corruption; everyone
has a price beyond which their morality fails. We have, by
and large, abandoned the exhortations of Jesus to love our
neighbors in favor of the bogus belief that money can immunize
us from mortality.

 Can we devise new mechanisms to mentally vaccinate
our minds against the temptation of corruption on a social
level? As the human species races toward a future of uncertain
outcome, these mechanisms must doubtless center on the nature
of money. Rather than continue on our present course toward a
more definitive master/slave society in which military force
is the defining commodity, we need to find a way to amplify
the psychological priority of morality and correspondingly
lessen the attraction of first-person greed.

 I know it sounds like some kind of hare-brained rationale
of Mao Tse Tung (or I guess today that's spelled Mao Zedong),
but can't we rechannel our goals for happiness toward our
relationships with others rather than toys for ourselves?

 It could well be that a merger of banks and churches
will one day evolve into a universal currency based dually on
morality and the welfare of the system in addition to material
worth related solely to survival/comfort of the individual.

 Capitalism has failed because it relies on slums in which
to dump its failed products, as well as an unregulated fluidity
at the top with which to constantly bail us out of our busted
budgets. A socialist system has almost always failed to overcome
the temptations of privilege and authority, and tyrannical
corruption has evolved out of noble intentions for the masses
in the administrative processes of collectivized wealth disbursal.

 No system of government ever devised on this planet has
ever truly placed control of its resources in the hands of
its community. Corruption has always prevailed, and quicker
minds have always managed to make off with the loot and let
the masses starve. Real wealth always remains in the hands of
the privileged few. There is no clearer example of how our
religions have failed us. They have all been bought off by
secular authorities in exchange for the state-protected right
to fleece their flocks.

 We cannot authentically aspire to real freedom as long as
the money supply remains in the hands of a few rich men. As long
as it does, we have zero power over the events and processes
that control our lives.

 Of course, currency is a neutral commodity. It has no
intrinsic value unto itself. It's obvious worth is what it
represents, or the material wealth that it can be traded for,
or converted into.

 It may be impossible to attach a moral quotient to money,
because the very act that would link its use to the consensus
precepts of a society trying to be moral would necessarily
place limits on freedom of choice that probably most of us
could not abide.

 So in improving the nature of money as a possible way to
creating a more humane and less cutthroat society, we would
probably have to limit our goals to examining the practice of
usury, and then more assisduously identify those who actually
control the money, which will probably be two of the most
difficult and elusive tasks humanity has ever undertaken.

 That glittering technological marvel called Western
Civilization has been built entirely upon usury. Without
capital speculation, no skyscraper would ever have been
constructed. When will the day come, I wonder, when we
ask ourselves this question: Are skyscrapers what we want
to express excellence in our civilization? What good are
skyscrapers? They are dazzling monuments to greed, that serve
no 

[CTRL] Afghanistan Invasion Was Planned Before 9-11 -was- Paul O'Neill's [alleged] LIes...

[Mark S Bilk]

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In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 
04:54:14PM -

The invasion of Afghanistan was definitely planned before 9-11.
U.S. diplomats announced at a quiet meeting in Berlin in July 2001
that Bush would attack Afghanistan by October of that year.

http://chicago.indymedia.org/newswire/display/4774
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1550366.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/155/audio/_1550366_afghan01_arney.ram
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4261737,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,1300,556279,00.html

Note that both of the U.S. government web pages linked to in
the Indymedia article have been removed.

The authors of these articles, written soon after 9-11, were
under the impression that warning at this meeting of the
invasion, conveyed to bin Laden via Pakistan and the Taliban,
provoked him to carry out the 9-11 attacks.  However, we now
know, from the defense stand-down, Pentagon damage details, and
many other pieces of evidence, that 9-11 was perpetrated by
agents of the Bush Neocon junta.  Here is a gateway to 9-11
research sites containing this evidence:

http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911

The real reasons for invading Afghanistan were to build
the Unocal pipeline to exploit Caspian Sea oil deposits
(specifically needed to bail out a failing Enron power plant in
Dabhol, India), restart heroin production in the area (which the
Taliban had stopped), and terrorize the world with a capricious
display of mass murder by the U.S. government and military.

On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 04:54:14PM -, anthony_mcarthur wrote:
Hmmm, well, lessee, try and summarize.  O'Neill/Suskind
are perpetrating a hoax.  Cheney and Bush are victims of
a dastardly smear campaign.  Cheney is obviously innocent
because the French are corrupt swine.  Perhaps there is a fine
line between The Glaring Errors of Suskind and the mangeled
defense mechanisms activated to maintain our Pretzeldent's
honor in the face of all the vile Bush Haters.  I love to see
how all these Glaring Errors are brought to light before the
book is even published.  But even so, the fundamental question
is ignored, and since a former top member of the administration
now asks it, it deserves even greater scruitiny.  And that is:
did the Administration preplan not only Iraq, but Afghanistan
as well, and was 911 merely the triggering device.  We are not
talking about a licentious womanizer lying about a blow job.
We are talking about people who are willing to lie, kill, and
let our own people be blown to bits so that the administration
can fulfill it's neocon Mossad wish list (which in no small
part includes self enrichment and the massive payola cronyism).
If this does not deserve greater scruitiny then... what the
hell, Bush should run unapposed and when Colon Powell steps
down he can be replaced with that bastion of clearsighted
inspiration, Ann Coulter!  That would make about as much
sense as the jist of what herein was scrawled.

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Lea Hahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks Laurie Mylroie,

 wouldn't have thought we would meet again so quickly!

 Well sure we know it's all about Al Quaeda/
 Iraq/terrorism/dictorship/freedom - but
 would just love to know more about:  Cheney's
 super-secret-energy-task-force-papers!!! anyway Even more
 so, since now he is on trial in France ... (never mind they
 are just as corrupt there, with all the money-suitcases
 circling around Elf-Aquitaine ... )

 Barbara

 http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=11722

 Paul O'Neill's Lies About Iraq
 By John H. Hinderaker
 PowerLineBlog.com | January 13, 2004

 Laurie Mylroie sent out an email about Paul O'Neill's
 appearance on 60 Minutes last night; she notes what appears
 to be a major error in Ron Suskind's book, which
 casts doubt on the credibility of both Suskind and
 O'Neill. Here is the key portion of Mylroie's email:

 In his appearance this evening on '60 Minutes,' Ron Suskind,
 author of The Price of Loyalty, based to a large extent
 on information from former Secretary of the Treasury Paul
 O'Neill, made an astonishing, very serious misstatement.

 Suskind claimed he has documents showing that preparations
 for the Iraq war were well underway before 9-11. He
 cited--and even showed--what he said was a Pentagon document,
 entitled, 'Foreign Suitors for Iraq Oilfield Contracts.' He
 claimed the document was about planning for post-war Iraq
 oil (CBS's promotional story also contained that claim):
 http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/60minutes/printable592330.shtml

 But that is not a Pentagon document. It's from the
 Vice-President's Office. It was part of the Energy Project
 that was the focus of Dick Cheney's attention before the
 9/11 strikes.

 And the document has nothing to do with post-war Iraq. It
 was part of a study of global oil supplies. Judicial
 Watch obtained it in a law suit and posted it,
 along with related 

[CTRL] Bush-Nazi Files Ready For Download!

[Mark S Bilk]

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White Rose is the most extensive website detailing the support
of Hitler's Nazi regime by the Bush family and other predatory
U.S. businessmen.  It has won many awards from anti-fascist
organizations.

  http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/whiterose.htm

This information is extremely important in the current political
situation.  So the author, Glen Yeadon, has made a zip file of
the entire site (487 files, 5808145 bytes), and it's available at:

  http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/whiterose.zip

Please download this 6 MB file (which takes about 20 minutes by
modem, or 30 seconds by DSL or cable), and put it in a directory
(folder) on your disk.

You can unzip it (using WinZip, etc.), and put all the files into
that directory.  You can then read them with your web browser,
starting at the file whiterose.htm .

You can also upload the files to a directory on your website,
and thereby instantly create a White Rose mirror site.  (Almost
all Internet accounts come with free web space of at least
10 megabytes.)

We urge you to make a mirror site if the original on spiritone.com
disappears.

But please download the zip file now, in case cosmicpenguin.com
disappears!

  http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/whiterose.zip

Since this information is so important it is vital that as many
people as possible download a copy of the zip file and keep it.

If you have any questions, please write me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
or Glen at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  Thanks!

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[CTRL] Slavery By Bankers And Debt - How We Can Break Free!

[Mark S Bilk]

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Resources for Community Currency Activists
http://www.communitycurrency.org/resources.html

Community Currencies
http://www.ratical.org/many_worlds/cc/

An Example: Guernsey's Monetary Experiment

Ardeshir Mehta [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
THIS is how we can break free of the clutches of the Mammonites, who
control our every move by constantly forcing us into greater and
greater debt. This is how we can break free of SLAVERY!

http://www.prolognet.qc.ca/clyde/Guernsey.html
[QUOTE]

GUERNSEY'S MONETARY EXPERIMENT
by Louis Even

Guernsey is a small island located in the English Channel. An
Anglo-Norman population. This island is located closer to the French
coast than to the English one.

At the close of the Napoleonic wars, the island, like several other
countries, was in pitiful condition, both physically and financially.

No money

Sea walls, roads, markets were needed. There was no manpower shortage.
But there was no money to pay for these works.

The money used by the people on the Island was the money from England,
the pound sterling. But, like after any war, the financiers were
calling back the money advanced to finance the slaughter, and the
pounds sterling were very scarce everywhere.

The Island had an autonomous government, the States of Guernsey. So
it had the rights inherent in all sovereign government, among other
rights, that of regulating the volume of money in circulation in the
country. But, no more than any other country, the States of Guernsey
had thought of exercising this sovereign prerogative.

An intelligent governor

The Island was especially in need of a new market house, and a
committee was set up to take care of it. The committee went to see the
governor to explain the situation to him :

We need a new Market, but we have no money to build it.

With what material are you going to build a market? asked the
governor.

With stone and wood.

Do you have it in the island?

Certainly, and in plenty.

Do you have workers?

Yes again. But it is money that is lacking.

Could not your parliament issue the money? asked the governor.

A new idea!

This idea had never occurred to the committeemen, who had never
analysed the money question. They knew where to get money when there
was some: but they never wondered where money begins or can begin.

The method of taxing when there was money was quite familiar. But the
method of infecting the money that is lacking, and of taxing only
after, was something new to our administrators.

ISSUES OF NATIONAL CURRENCY

An estimate of the cost was prepared and the States printed the money
required, which was paid to those who either worked on the project or
furnished materials for it.

As the new currency was paid out into circulation among the people,
exchanges were being expedited. The wage-earners went to the
shopkeepers, the shopkeepers went to the producers, the producers
bought enough to increase their production.

The currency was accepted everywhere. The government took measures
against inflation by decreeing hat money would be withdrawn by taxes,
so it does not accumulate. And, in fact, the money was retired on
schedule by taxes. But, as the increasing activity required a
corresponding volume of money, other issues were brought out by the
government for other works.

On October 12, 1822, the new Market House was completed and opened. Not
a penny of public debt on this public enterprise.

THE BANKERS INTERVENE

At the time of the original issue, there was no bank upon the Island.
This explains, without doubt, why there was no opposition to the issue
of State money.

But ten years after the first issue, the Island had become so
prosperous, thanks to the activity allowed by a sufficient volume of
money, that the banks of England had an eye on this island.

English bankers set up branches in the island and brought the
population around to orthodox rules. It was unsound. They said, to
let the government finance its enterprises without getting into debt.

The bankers did everything to stop further issues, to introduce the
system of interest-bearing loans to the government, and to withdraw
from the island the State money that had been paid out into
circulation.

There was some resistance, but the bankers won their point, with their
usual methods; and on October 9, 1836, the States of Guernsey had
abdicated their sovereign prerogative over the control of the volume of
money. From then on, the amount of the national currency decreased
gradually, and was replaced by money issued by private bankers in the
form of loans getting the island into debt.

Nevertheless, there is still about 40 000 pounds sterling ($200 000) of
national currency outstanding at this date in the Island. (According to
Gertrude M. Coogan in Money Creators, published in 1935).

WHY A FINANCIAL PROBLEM?

As we can see, with natural resources, workers, and a bit of common
sense, there is no financial problem.

But when shrewd exploiters want to regulate economic activities

Re: [CTRL] radicalmiddle.com

[Mark S Bilk]

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In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thu, Jan 01, 2004 at 
11:32:39PM -0600
Organization: http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911

Zuukie, would you please tell us exactly what on that website
explains the source of the conspiracies taking place here in
the US ?

Actually, I don't know what you mean by that phrase.  Do you
mean the origin of the Neocons that have seized power in the
U.S.?  Or do you mean the origins of the explanations for 9-11
that attributes the attacks to the Neocons?

On Thu, Jan 01, 2004 at 11:32:39PM -0600, Zuukie wrote:
Conspiracy?  Go to radicalmiddle.com to see the source of the
conspiracies taking place here in the US.  Take the time to read the
various headings.  This is a repeat of earlier information.  Shannon
repeats the same story many times over each day.  It would be easy to
overlook the importance of the information coming from the
radicalmiddle.com in the midst of his barrage.

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Re: [CTRL] SNET: Media in Bed with Gays (Homosexuals) (fwd)

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In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 
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The article below illustrates the level of psychosis --
separation from reality -- of some religious fundamentalists.
They perceive as vermin people who believe and act differently
from themselves, even though those people are not doing any
harm.  This because they have been programmed with a religious
book written many thousands of years ago by largely ignorant
and hostile nomadic tribesmen.

By labelling homosexual people as vermin, the fundamentalists
are giving orders to their followers to attack and murder them,
just as the Nazis described Jews as vermin prior to their
extermination program.

Furthermore, while castigating gay and bisexual men for
promiscuity leading to the transmission of diseases, the
fundamentalists are fiercely opposed to allowing them to marry,
which, of course, would lead to a *decrease* in promiscuity!

The essence of fundamentalism is to believe what one is told
by the leaders, and to steadfastly ignore all contradictions
with reality.

In other words, fundamentalists must reject reason.
They must refuse to think.


On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 06:55:25AM -0500, William Bacon wrote:
-- Forwarded message --
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:59:26 -0800
From: PETER L SROUFE [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: APFN [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], PIML [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 SNETNEWS [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: SNET: Media in Bed with Gays (Homosexuals)

(Make certain you read ALL of the following.  Pray for this
vermin so that they will soon see the Light and mend their
sinful lifestyle.)

Media in Bed with Gays (Homosexuals)
By Cliff Kincaid
December 10, 2003

The Washington Post said it didn't want to generate a
truckload of indignant letters, but it nevertheless tried
to compare opposition to homosexual marriage to old laws
against blacks getting married to whites. For the Post,
opposing the gay agenda is tantamount to racism. The New
York Times endorsed homosexual marriage as well, saying any
attempt to amend the constitution to prohibit the practice
would be an effort to deny minority rights.

On the same day these editorials appeared, the Centers for
Disease Control, CDC, revealed that the syphilis rate in the
United States rose in 2002 for the second consecutive year,
following a decade-long decline that led to an all-time low in
2000. It said the increase was due in large part to increases
in reported syphilis cases among men, particularly gay and
bisexual men. Syphilis can cause serious heart abnormalities,
mental disorders, blindness, other neurological problems,
and death.

Last July the CDC reported that data from 25 states with
longstanding HIV reporting show the number of new HIV
diagnoses among homosexual and bisexual men increased by
7.1 percent, from 2001 to 2002. The CDC said this indicated
that homosexuals remain at high, and perhaps increasing,
risk for HIV infection. It said that, HIV diagnoses for
gay and bisexual men have increased by 17.7 percent since
the lowest point in 1999 but that new HIV cases in other
vulnerable groups have remained stable since 2001.

In order to keep the media from focusing on that kind of
information, the Gay  Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation,
GLAAD, has produced a resource kit for the media. It wants
homosexuals presented as normal people and warns the media
against running film clips of outrageous gay pride parades
or footage shot inside gay bars and clubs. In making the
case for homosexual marriage, GLAAD suggests looking at
how newspapers are increasingly accepting announcements for
same-sex weddings or unions.

The Post and the Times, two of those papers, were undoubtedly
among the media referred to by Timothy Dailey of the Family
Research Council when he wrote about how Hollywood and the
media relentlessly propagate the image of the fit, healthy,
and well-adjusted homosexual. Dailey said that the Homosexual
activists attempt to portray their lifestyle as normal and
healthy, and insist that homosexual relationships are the
equivalent in every way to their heterosexual counterparts.

But the reality is quite different. Citing government studies
and reports in gay papers themselves, Dailey writes that,
Instability and promiscuity typically characterize homosexual
relationships. These two factors increase the incidence of
serious and incurable STDs. Commenting on Dailey's research
and study, Robert Knight of the Culture and Family Institute
said that, Nobody could think about homosexuality as something
normal and healthy after reviewing this. Of course, the major
media will do their best to ignore it. GLAAD will make sure
of that.

Cliff Kincaid is the Editor of the AIM Report and can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[CTRL] Evidence That Sen. Paul Wellstone Was Assassinated

[Mark S Bilk]

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Duluth News Tribune | 11/20/2003 | One man's opinion:
Evidence indicates that Wellstone crash was no accident
http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthtribune/news/opinion/7306797.htm

duluthtribune.com - The duluthtribune home page

Posted on Thu, Nov. 20, 2003

Point of View by JIM FETZER

One man's opinion: Evidence indicates that Wellstone crash
was no accident

Minnesota Sen. Paul Wellstone was a serious man who cared
profoundly about his fellow citizens.  He took courageous
stands against an administration that he viewed with profound
suspicion, arguing eloquently against tax cuts for the rich,
the subversion of the Constitution, and violating international
accords. He would have led the opposition to the war in Iraq
if only he had had the chance. Everyone knew it and he may
have died because of it.

For nearly a year now, evidence has been accumulating about
the event that ended the life of this magnificent human
being. Whatever caused the crash was not the plane, the
pilots or the weather. In spite of what you may have heard,
the plane was exceptional, the pilots well-qualified and
the weather posed no significant problems. Even the National
Transportation Safety Board's own simulations of the plane,
the pilots and the weather were unable to bring the plane down.

This means we have to consider other, less palatable,
alternatives, such as small bombs, gas canisters or
electromagnetic pulse, radio frequency or High Energy Radio
Frequency weapons designed to overwhelm electrical circuitry
with an intense electromagnetic field. An abrupt cessation of
communication between the plane and the tower took place at
about 10:18 a.m., the same time an odd cell phone phenomenon
occurred with a driver in the immediate vicinity. This suggests
to me the most likely explanation is that one of our new
electromagnetic weapons was employed.

The politics of the situation were astonishing. The senator
was pulling away from the hand-picked candidate of the Bush
machine. Its opportunity to seize control of the U.S. Senate
was slipping from its grasp. Its vaunted invincibility
was being challenged by an outspoken critic of its most
basic values. Targeted for elimination, he was going to
survive. Here's one man's opinion: Under such conditions,
the temptation to take him out may have been irresistible.

Among the striking indications that something was wrong with the
NTSB in its inquiry into the causes of the crash is that Carol
Carmody, a former employee with the CIA, the head of the team,
announced the day after that the FBI had found no indications
of terrorist involvement. Yet it is the responsibility of the
NTSB to ascertain the cause of the crash, which has yet to be
determined to this very day.

So how could the FBI possibly know?

The FBI's prompt arrival was peculiar. As Christopher Bollyn
of American Free Press reported (www.rumor millnews.net,
Oct. 29, 2002), According to Rick Wahlberg, then St. Louis
County sheriff, a team of FBI agents was quickly on the crash
site about noon, less than an hour after (assistant manager
Gary) Ulman and the (fire) chief had first located the site
and found a way to access the wreck. This FBI team had come
from the distant Twin Cities in record time!

When Bollyn asked Ulman if he had notified the FBI about
the accident, Ulman said he had not spoken with the bureau at
any time. Asked how the FBI got to the site so quickly, Ulman
said that he assumed they had come from Duluth. AFP contacted
the Duluth office of the FBI and was told that the team of
'recovery' agents had not come from Duluth but had traveled
from the FBI office in Minneapolis.

I calculate that this team would have had to have left the
Twin Cities at about the same time the Wellstone plane was
taking off.

Gary Ulman confirmed to me that the FBI had been on the scene
no later than 1 p.m.

I have reviewed the log books maintained by the Sheriff's
Department at Eveleth and have discovered that they are grossly
incomplete and cannot confirm when the FBI showed up.

The FAA has told me that its records of private aircraft
arriving in Duluth that morning have been destroyed, even
though they might verify the FBI's early arrival.

And the NTSB has canceled sessions where it would ordinarily
take input from the public.

Michael Ruppert (fromthe wilderness.com, Nov. 1, 2002) has
reported, The day after the crash I received a message from
a former CIA operative who has proven extremely reliable in
the past and who is personally familiar with these kinds of
assassinations. The message read, 'As I said earlier, having
played ball (and still playing in some respects) with this
current crop of reinvigorated old white men, these clowns are
nobody to screw around with. There will be a few more strategic
accidents. You can be certain of that.' 

If you think that's a stretch, consider: Hundreds of young
Americans have been put in harm's way by a war that was
promoted on the basis of lies about weapons of mass 

Re: [CTRL] regarding religious right

[Mark S Bilk]

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In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun, Nov 23, 2003 at 
06:13:11PM -0600
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On Sun, Nov 23, 2003 at 06:13:11PM -0600, Marti Maurer wrote:
Prudy L  - why don`t you fill me in on just what the
religious right is. I just don`t seem to know as much as you.
M Maurera soldier for Jesus Christ

Hah!  Here's a real soldier for Jesus Christ:

Gen. JC Christian, Patriot
http://patriotboy.blogspot.com

And he'd love to fill you in!

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[CTRL] Who Killed Kennedy and Why? - Special Broadcast

[Mark S Bilk]

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Who Killed Kennedy and Why?

A KPFA Guns and Butter Special
Saturday evening, November 22nd
6:30 to 8:30 p.m. PST at 94.1 FM in the KPFA listening area
www.kpfa.org for Internet streaming

Ralph Schoenman's riveting expose' of how U.S. rulers, with blood on their
hands, devour their own.

This two-hour KPFA Guns and Butter special is brought to you on the 40th
anniversary of the execution of the President of the United States.

At the time of the assassination of John F. Kennedy, Ralph Schoenman was
Executive Director of the Bertrand Russell Peace Foundation. In early 1964,
he formed and directed the Who Killed Kennedy Committee? in London with
Bertrand Russell and other prominent figures. The Committee uncovered
explosive documents, including files from the Dallas D.A.'s office that
exposed the government cover-up.

Ralph Schoenman collaborated for years with New Orleans District Attorney
Jim Garrison in documenting the role of the CIA in the murder of Kennedy,
and testified with Dick Gregory before the Rockefeller Commission in 1975.

He has lectured at over 100 universities in the United States in addition
to those in many other countries on the untold evidence and underlying
political dynamics of the execution of John F. Kennedy, and official murder
in America.

Saturday evening, November 22nd, 6:30 to 8:30 p.m. PST, KPFA, 94.1 FM or
www.kpfa.org

Copies of this program (CD or audiocassette) are available from the Center
for Independent Communication. Contact either [EMAIL PROTECTED] or
[EMAIL PROTECTED] for more information.

Ralph Schoenman and Mya Shone broadcast weekly - Taking Aim with Ralph
Schoenman and Mya Shone - on WBAI-NY (99.5 FM), Tuesdays at 5:00 p.m. EST
/ 2:00 p.m. PST, and can be heard via Internet streaming at www.wbai.org

Guns and Butter, produced by Bonnie Faulkner and Yarrow Mahko, broadcasts
weekly on KPFA (94.1 FM), Wednesdays at 2:00 p.m. PST / 5:00 p.m. EST,
and can be heard via Internet streaming at www.kpfa.org

Check out the websites www.takingaim.info (including program audio
archive) and www.gunsandbutter.net

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[CTRL] Hafnium-178m2 - A New Superbomb?

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In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 
11:24:10AM -0500
Organization: http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911

On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 11:24:10AM -0500, William Shannon wrote:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/09/28/MN23720.DTLtype=science
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/09/28/SUPERBOMB.TMP
Superbomb ignites science dispute
...
The key to the concept is a little known element called hafnium. By figuring
out how to unleash the abundant energy from a hafnium isotope, called
hafnium-178, the military hopes to develop a new generation of weapons.
...

Sadly, under the current system of predatory capitalism (in which
the real axis of evil is the U.S., Israel, and England), any new
source of energy is used by the wealthy ruling elite -- now
embodied in the Bush Nazi junta -- not to benefit people, but for
mass murder in order to increase their profits and power, e.g.,

  Secret heat-beam weapon used in Iraq:
  http://www.rense.com/general40/secret.htm

  Israelis threaten to nuke Europe:
  http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=2929

Regarding this new energy source, it's only a particular nuclear
isomer of the isotope hafnium-178 that contains the energy,
namely hafnium-178m2.  The S.F. Chronicle article is a bit
blurry on this.  So far, the isomer can only be produced by
transmutation in a nuclear reactor or particle accelerator
(by bombardment of tantalum with high-energy protons).

The nucleus of every atom of a given element has the same number
of protons (the atomic number), since that determines the
electron orbit structure, and thus the chemical properties of
the element.

However, atoms of an element may contain different numbers of
neutrons, making them different isotopes, with different nuclear
properties and atomic weights, e.g., uranium 235 and 238.

Finally, atoms of a particular isotope of an element may have
different arrangements, or energy states, of the protons and
neutrons in the nucleus, making them different nuclear isomers.

Here are some additional articles, and an audio interview,
turned up by a Google search on hafnium-178:

http://www.rnw.nl/science/html/031020isomer.html
http://cgi.omroep.nl/cgi-bin/streams?/rnw/science/031020isomer.rm
http://www.rnw.nl/science/html/031027isomer.html
http://www.rnw.nl/hotspots/html/iso031024.html
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2003-08/ns-gw081303.php
http://physicsweb.org/article/world/12/5/3
http://www.cat.ernet.in/lasernews/ln991/ln991n05.html
http://www.speculist.com/archives/83.html
http://www.llnl.gov/llnl/06news/NewsReleases/2001/NR-01-08-05.html
http://policy.iop.org/v_production/pdf/v3www.pdf

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[CTRL] Fwd: Killer Weed???

[Mark S Bilk]

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Organization: http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911

Tom Mooney wrote, in reference to the newspaper article quoted
below,

What a load of fertilizer...

peace,
Tom

Indeed.  This article repeats all the lies about cannabis that
were disproved years ago, but are still being fed to U.S.
television viewers by the Partnership For A Drug-Free America,
an organization funded by alcohol, tobacco, and pharmaceutical
companies!

Cannabis doesn't cause depression, but depressed people do
sometimes smoke it, because it makes them -- like everyone else
-- feel better.  It does not make people drill holes in their
head with a power drill (but it may make them eat an entire bag
of chocolate chip cookies).

Cannabis, in reasonable doses, does not cause major impairment
of driving ability (although one should *not* drive while under
its influence), but people who smoke it test positive for it
for a month or more, so the claim that XX% of reckless drivers
test positive for marijuana does not imply any cause-and-effect
relationship -- they may have smoked it weeks ago.

The potency of high-quality marijuana has increased only by a
factor of two since the '60s, but it doesn't matter anyhow,
because people titrate to effect, i.e., smoke the amount that
gives them the effect they want.  So with higher potency pot,
they just smoke less.

And it does not have ravaging effects on the brain, according
to scientific studies of the brains of monkeys that were given
large doses of the drug.

But it *does* have ravaging effects on the ability of the ruling
elite to keep the population in a state of permanent hypnosis
where they will passively do what they're told and not object to
endless wars and being robbed of almost all the value of the
goods and services their labor produces.  The major War on Drugs
was begun in America after the elite realized that cannabis
played a major part in people waking up and protesting the Vietnam
War.  This was very troubling to the rulers, who were forced to
end their war after killing only 4,000,000 people.

These web pages debunk the lies, and have references to the
scientific literature:

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_myth.shtml
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_info14.shtml
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_flyer1.shtml
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_myth17.shtml

On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 06:58:09AM -0800, Tom Mooney wrote:
Cannabis Use Causes
'Hundreds Of Deaths A Year'
By Julie Henry
Education Correspondent
The Telegraph - UK
11-2-3

Britain's most senior coroner is warning that hundreds of young
people are dying in accidents caused by their prolonged use of
cannabis.

Hamish Turner, the president of the Coroners' Society, said that
the drug, which is often portrayed as harmless, has increasingly
been behind deaths that have been recorded as accidents or suicides.

In the past year, he estimated that cannabis was a significant
contributory factor in about 10 per cent of the 100 cases that he
had dealt with in south Devon, where he works.

Conversations with his colleagues led him to believe that the scale
of the problem elsewhere in the country was equally bad. Cannabis
is as dangerous as any other drug and people must understand that
it kills, said Mr Turner.

From my long experience I can say that it is a very dangerous
substance. Increasingly it is mentioned not only as the first drug
taken by people who overdose, but also in suicides and accidental
deaths.

It is an awful waste of young lives. People are trying the drug
at a very young age. Many go on to harder drugs and I am dealing
with more and more heroin overdoses. People can also suffer severe
consequences from the cannabis alone, however.

Bereaved parents say to me, 'We didn't realise how dangerous
it was until it was too late, if only we had done something'. It
is heartbreaking.

Recent examples of the dangers of the drug cited by Mr Turner
include the case of James Taylor, a 31-year-old, who was found
hanged in his Torquay flat. The inquest heard that he had started
smoking cannabis when he was about 15 and was a habitual user. The
drug was blamed for the depression and mental health problems that
later plagued him and which led to his death.

Mary Taylor, his mother, said that there was no doubt in her mind
that cannabis had killed her son. The cannabis made him paranoid
from the word go. He went from a good-looking, artistic, talented
chap to someone who did not trust anyone, not even his sister,
who he was very close to.

Because of the damage the drug did to him he became more isolated,
more lonely and more depressed. The loveliest boy was destroyed
by this drug. I would never have believed that James would have
acted as he did when he took his own life.

People who insist that cannabis is harmless are talking rubbish. We
had years of hell when James was on cannabis, and that was all he
was taking. Now he is dead and our family life has been devastated.

[CTRL] Antienvironment Group: American Policy Center -was- URGENT ALERT!...

[Mark S Bilk]

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In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 
06:54:12AM -0500
Organization: http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911

Here's a report on the antienvironment organization American
Policy Center and its leader Tom DeWeese.  This group keeps its
funding sources secret, but if it's like other antienvironment
groups it's funded by the ultra-wealthy owners of timber, real
estate, chemical, etc., companies, who don't want any government
regulations interfering with their destruction of the planet for
profit.  For example, it claims that global warming is a myth.

http://www.clearproject.org/reports_apc.html

CLEAR PROFILE: AMERICAN POLICY CENTER
  13873 Park Center Road, Suite 316. Herndon, Virginia 20171
   Phone - 703-925-0881 o Fax- 703-925-0991
Web Site - www.americanpolicy.org Email- [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   Compiled 1998

   Overview:
   Established 1988, formerly the Foreign Policy Centre. Lobbied
   Congress for aid to freedom fighters in Angola and Nicaragua
   and opposes returning control of Panama Canal to Panama. Main
   areas of activity include opposition to US involvement in the
   United Nations and Outcome Based Education. Promotes a hard
   right view on limited government with frequent reliance on
   conspiracy theory and sensationalistic fund raising letters. The
   American Policy Center is a 501(c)4 tax-exempt organization. APC
   is affiliated the 501(c)3 American Policy Foundation which
   provides research and educational services to APC, 501(c)3
   Putting Liberty First, and the for-profit DeWeese Company. APC
   claims to be able to reach up to one million activists in a
   matter of hours through its action alert system. DeWeese claims
   350 talk radio shows are members of the alert system, and claims
   to reach thousands more through the APC website. (fundraising
   letter, March 1998) Claims three million people are reached by
   direct mail campaigns, delivering the facts on the radical
   environmental agenda as well as the lates outrages from the
   United Nations. (Insider's report, January 1998). Publications
   have quoted Michael Coffman and Henry Lamb at length, included
   their writings. APC networks with groups like Lamb and Coffman's
   Sovereignty International and Phyllis Schlafly's Eagle Forum.
   (also March 1998 fund raising letter). Demand US get out of th
   UN. General preoccupation with a United Nations take-over of the
   US, with repeated ridiculous statements such as I have warned
   that the U.N. land grab of sovereign U.S. soil could put 50% of
   our nation off-limits to human activity. (Fundraising letter,
   February 1997). Every Insider's Report, mailed monthly, is
   accompanied by a desperate  or urgent fundraising plea.

   Key Personnel:

   o Tom DeWeese. President. Long history of direct mail
   fundraising schemes, still carried out by DeWeese Company.
   Serves on the executive committee of Chuck Rent a Riot
   Cushman's Grassroots ESA Coalition, which opposes the Endangered
   Species Act, and is on the advisory council of Sovereignty
   International.

   o Steve Symms. Chairman, Board of Advisors. Former U.S .Senator.
   UN conspiracy whack ball.

   o Kathleen Marquardt.
   Vice President. Formerly of Putting People First, then Putting
   Liberty First, an organization now subsumed by APC

   o Bonner Cohen.
   Member, Board of Advisors. EPA Watch. worked with DeWeese since
   the 1980s.

   o Arnold Beichman.
   Member, Board of Advisors. Hoover Institution (APC Wrote 
   Institute.)

   o Andrew J. Gatsis. Member, Board of Advisors. JBS member, UN
   conspiracy guy, basic freak.

   o Willard Pearson. Currently listed as member of Board of
   Advisors. Deceased since 1996?

   o Phillip Abbott Luce. Member, Board of Advisors. Another right
   wing extremist. Advocated deported Arab-Americans in the 1980's,
   accusing them forming a secret terrorist organization.

   Highlights:

   Blocked statehood for the District of Columbia by gathering
   10,000 signatures (1996?) .

   Co-sponsor of Conservative Political Action Conference in 1994.

   Financial supporter of Bonner Cohen's EPA Watch publication.

   In 1995 the American Policy Foundation awarded research grants
   to employee Bonner Cohen, and to Wise Use group Stewards of the
   Range. (Right Guide 1998).

   Called for December 5, 1997 Strike for Liberty, a loosely
   organized event to protest the Kyoto Treaty. (It included a call
   for all talk radio shows to play Proud to be an American
   followed by the Star Spangled Banner). Though Alan Caruba of the
   National Anxiety Center was in charge of the publicity, a Lexis
   Nexis search yielded zero press accounts of the strike. Caruba,
   whose organization is a clearinghouse for information about
   media driven scare campaigns has also been a contributor to the
   Insider's report.

   Opposed the American Heritage River Initiative as one of 

[CTRL] EVIDENCE THAT DIEBOLD MACHINES ALTERED VOTES IN CALIF ELECTION!!

[Mark S Bilk]

-Caveat Lector-

http://www.markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com/

Mark Crispin Miller

News from Underground
Wednesday, October 08, 2003

IRREGULARITIES IN CALIFORNIA RACE!!
Long-shot candidates do startlingly well in Tulare County
DIEBOLD MACHINES YIELD FISHY RESULTS!!

My friend in South Carolina writes:

I ran a number crunch of CA counties that use Diebold
machines to cast/count votes and found some weird
figures that show a skim of votes from top candidates
to people who were unlikely to affect the outcome. I
did my hand calculator work on the California election
results (from the secretary of state's site) when 96%
of precincts had reported. The website showed:

Counties using Diebold Touchscreens:
Alemeda, Plumas

Counties using Diebold Optiscan:
Fresno, Humboldt, Kern, Lassen, Marin, Placer, San
Joaquin, San Luis Obispo, Santa Barbara, Trinity,
Tulare.

There were a total of 1,403,375 votes cast in these
counties combined. The CA total was 7,842,630 at this
stage of the count. Thus 17.89% of all the state votes
were cast/counted on Diebold equipment.

I had earlier noticed some lower order candidates
(ones who couldn't affect the result) were getting
unusually large numbers of votes in Tulare county. I
decided to test to see if the these and other 'fringe'
candidates might be used to receive skimmed votes in
other Diebold counties.

Method:
I added all the votes cast/counted on Diebold
equipment for each candidate and expressed it as a
percentage of their total votes cast state wide. The
following table lists: Candidate name, votes counted
for them in Diebold counties, CA state total votes
counted for that candidate and what percentage of that
candidate's total votes were counted in Diebold
counties.

It looks like, as one might expect, at the top of the
list as if there is a slight variance from an even
state wide distribution. However many 'lower ticket'
candidates have vote totals that ONLY correlate with
the use of Diebold equipment! I have included some
names chosen at random from the result list that show
that not all lower order candidates were used to
receive skimmed votes. Note that Diebold's counties
are spread geographically over the whole of
California.

I have checked background on the skewed result
candidates and they are not residents of the counties
where they got very high percentage results. In one
case, Palmieri, the candidate was surprised to hear
about Tulare county (I emailed him) and had not been
there nor had family or friends there. In fact, his
platform was Don't vote for me. He described this
vote pattern as strange.

State total =  7,842,630.
Cast in Diebold counties = 1,403,375
17.89% of the total votes cast.

Schwarzenegger 581,145   3,552,78716.36%

Bustamante 447,008   2,379,74018.78%

McLintock  186,923 979,23419.08%

Camejo  39,199 207,27018.9 %

Huffington   7,498  42,13117.79%

Ueberoth 3,365  21,37815.74%

Flynt2,384  15,01015.88%

Coleman  1,869  12,44315.02%

Simon1,351   7,64817.66%

Palmieri 2,542   3,71768.3 %

Louie  598   3,19818.7 %

Kunzman  1,957   2,13391.75%

Roscoe 325   1,94116.7 %

Sprague  1,026   1,57665.10%

Macaluso   592   1,50439.36%

Price  477   1,01147.18%

Quinn  220 43350.8 %

Martorana  165 42039.28%

Gosse   60 41914.3 %

Conclusion
Based on the very unlikely distribution of votes for
some candidates (a meteor hit my car twice this week
sort of odds) a hand count of the affected counties to
compare with the machine reported count should be
done. This would show that the machines had been
tampered with to alter the results. As we already
know, it is not possible to audit touchscreen machines
because Diebold refuse to allow printing of a ballot
to be placed in a box as a back up for use in just
such an apparent tampering with votes.

For those who are unsure of figures:

California is huge and has a population similar to
many European nations. Lower order candidates had
little or no ability to spread any sort of message to
parts of the state beyond their own home and/or where
they have previously lived. One would expect some of
the 'fringe' candidates to do well in their home
county and then to have a very even distribution
across the rest of the state. That is not the case. In
Diebold counties (those who use machines made by
Diebold, a corporation that supports George Bush) the
results are skewed towards low scoring candidates by
unbelievably large amounts.

The probability of scoring twice the expected average
county % could charitably be construed as the upper
limit of the possible. Some candidates exceed that
figure in Diebold counties by a four or five fold
margin. If you have done statistics, you know that is
so

[CTRL] Pentagon Links and Analysis

[Mark S Bilk]

-Caveat Lector-

The following info on the Pentagon hit was posted without
attribution to a 9-11 list I'm on.  I don't have the time or the
knowledge to evaluate its accuracy, but it looks interesting.
There are lots of web links at the end.

Forwarded message ---

Thought you might be interested in this list I've been putting together,
and my latest thoughts on the Pentagon scenario. The Rense mystery line
pic was indeed 4 days before 9/11 per Space Imaging. The line is
meaningless, but my firepit observation is now more cogent. The first
links you already have. The latter ones are high res shots from different
places. The Purdue info is interesting. I made the comment some time ago
about the same mechanical effect of the fuel in the WTC impacts.

The list below is a work in progress. Please provide me more quality links
if you have them.

The interesting things to note from these links are the Pentagon trees,
the mysterious line in the grass photo was truly taken on 9/7/2001, so
therefore my earlier firepit observation is still in play. It does appear
also that the large central fire left after the main fireball, is the one
tree that was in the path of the plane. Some of the pics prove that there
was no confetti storm out on the highway as reported. Notice the Purdue
simulation carries the fuel well into the building and the fuselage seems
to stop well short of the punchout hole. Note that they claim that it is
the incompressible liquid fuel that is responsible for most of the
physical (non-fire) damage, not the plane's aluminum.

There are very many more pics of the punchout hole. I think only a 757
engine could possibly make this size and shape hole, and in doing so it
necessarily needed to bounce off some columns to do so and make a major
impact in the B ring. Yet, it was not reported to be an engine (757 or
F16) which made the hole, either it was reported as the nose or the front
landing gear. A missile that created this size hole would also damage the
B ring and the columns just in front of the punchout hole, yet it did not
per the damage reports and the pics. In fact, these last C ring columns
are reported to have only minor damage such as concrete spalling.

To me the significance of the location of the strike is being missed. It
is important for the following reasons:

1. It occurred at the location of the newly reinforced area which was
still 5 days away from completion. This means a naturally low occupancy
rate. This can also be seen on the Arlington County After Report floor
plans. They could limit casualties to expendable personnel and those they
needed to 'disappear'.

2. It took place just in front of the expansion joint. Why? The better to
collapse and impede an investigation My Dear. This is because the ability
to transfer weight load to adjacent columns is at its weakest at the
expansion joint.

3. The impact took place only involving the first and second floors. These
floors are the only ones which provide a contiguous reach from the E ring
to the back of the C ring. Hence there is no need to provide for extra
egress and entrance holes between the intermediate ring walls.

If the released parking lot security camera clip really shows an F16, why
would the Pentagon release this image? Is Dick Eastman's missile trail
really a missile or would it more likely be velocity induced steam from
the wingtip vortex as commonly seen on fighter jets flying at high speed
and low altitude? Or could it be engine induced vapor contrail? Or, is the
whole thing fake to purposely create controversy, which is their best
friend? We actually have enough quality overhead photos including the
known official flight path (via the plotting of the downed light poles) to
calculate precisely where the plane's nose should appear in the photo
using the tail as a baseline.

Could an F16 with only a 31 foot wingspan have 'clipped' all 5 light
poles? I don't think so. If so, in this case the light poles were props.
If they were props for this scenario, then they could just as easily be
props for the 757 scenario as well. The largest photo of a downed light
pole shows it not only clipped at the top and having broken / sheared off
the 4 bolts at its base, but that it is severely bent. My understanding of
metals is that shearing of this type and bending of this magnitude are
incompatible. Either one or the other will occur depending upon the force
parameters applied.

And don't forget that just prior to the 757 having literally come in right
off the deck, it is reported to have just completed a steep dive from 7700
feet and a 270 degree turn.

Finally, should not a 757 flying at speed flip a few cars on the highway
and also even the parked vehicles next to the Pentagon?


Boeing 757-200 dimensions
wingspan is 124' 10
fuselage width - 12' 4, fuselage height 13' 2
http://www.boeing.com/assocproducts/aircompat/acaps/753sec2.pdf

Arlington County After Report with Pentagon Floor Plan and damage zone in

[CTRL] Sobig.F Virus Sent To CTRL List -was- [CTRL] Thank you!

[Mark S Bilk]

-Caveat Lector-

Organization: http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911

A message containing the infamous Sobig.F virus was sent to the
CTRL list at 12:49 PM Central time today, 8/28/2003.  The Subject
line reads: [CTRL] Thank you!

I traced it by the headers to a car dealership in Texas (not to Kris --
the From line is fake), and phoned them, reaching a knowledgeable
person.  They have been hit hard by the virus, and despite their
efforts to decontaminate all their machines some copies are still
circulating.  They will again disinfect the computer that sent
this virus.

As someone else wrote, everyone should update their antivirus
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Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion

[Mark S Bilk]

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In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at 
05:56:03PM -0400
Organization: http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911

On Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at 05:56:03PM -0400, iNFoWaRZ wrote:
I see you have swallowed the whole queer propaganda lie, hook, line, and sinker.
The purported facts in your post are total BS.  In other words, they are lies.

The anonymous iNFoWaRZ has not given any evidence to disprove
anything that I wrote.

As are the opinions in your post although you are entitled to that.
But your post shows who and what you are.
You condemn morality and virtue

I totally support morality and virtue, which consist of helping
people (and other living things) and not harming them.

The anonymous iNFoWaRZ has not given any evidence that
homosexuality (when performed with the usual precautions
necessary for any sexual activity) harms anyone.

and praise corruptness

Corruptness basically means being of such a nature as to do
harm, and homosexuality does not do harm, so his statement is
false.

and perversion.

Perversion simply means a sexual or other act of which the
speaker disapproves.  One person's perversion is another
person's snuggly love.

At the same time you infer bigotry, though a twisted definition
of the same, on those that oppose this

Bigotry in this context means the unjustified hatred of
innocent people -- those who are doing no harm.  That is
exactly what these anti-gay messages express.

criminal

Many harmless behaviors have been legislated to be considered
criminal.  Sometimes this legislation has been rescinded.
Consensual adult sex, the publication and broadcast of sexual
material, the growing, manufacture, sale, and use of non-injurious
herbs and drugs, and many other non-harmful acts have been
declared criminal.  The label criminal has no reliable
correlation with morality (i.e., not doing harm).

unnatural behavior,

Homosexual behavior is widespread in all human cultures, and
in many other animal species.  It is definitely natural.

you have managed to expose yourself thoroughly as an
anti-religious bigot, of the correct definition.

I can substantiate all the statements I made about fundamentalist
Judaeo-Christian religions, with quotes from the Bible and
historical facts.

If you beleive you are doing something good, you are wrong.
What good can come from tearing down the moral foundations of
a nation?

Putting forth a sane, pro-human definition of morality -- Don't
harm people; help them -- is very beneficial to every nation.

At 05:22 PM 8/10/03 , you wrote:

Homosexuality -- in fact, any sexual activity between consenting
adults -- does not harm anyone (as long as the participants avoid
unwanted pregnancy and transmission of disease).  Sexual activity
-- the sharing of mutual pleasure -- is in fact beneficial: it
often brings people closer together, and it discharges energy
that otherwise might lead to frustration and anger.

The purpose of moral rules is to minimize harm to people, so that
all may live happily and successfully.  Therefore the only basis
of morality that makes any sense is, Do not harm anyone.

By this sane pro-human standard, homosexuality and homosexual
people are not immoral (as such) in any way.

The only reason some people believe they are immoral is the
influence of fundamentalist Judaeo-Christian religions.  These
religions are in many ways profoundly anti-human; their leaders
and holy books have variously advocated and praised the
genocide of many millions of people, as well as the murder of
women who have sex before marriage, the murder of adherents of
other religions, and the practice of genital mutilation.

HIV/AIDS was spread in African nations, and in the male homosexual
population in the U.S., by vaccines that were contaminated with
the virus (probably intentionally).  That is an appropriate topic
of discussion for this list.  The spewing of murderous hatred
against harmless people, as motivated by fundamentalist religion,
is not.

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[CTRL] Evolution and Conspiracy -was- Anti-Gay Hate Messages

[Mark S Bilk]

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In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 
09:26:41AM -0700

On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 09:26:41AM -0700, Nessie SFBG wrote:
  When did they (the so-called scientists) find the missing link?

Long ago, and they keep finding more. The fossil record, though still
not complete, is more than complete enough to demonstrate the
validity of the theory to any who examine the evidence objectively.
This, of course, leaves out all those too befuddled by primitive,
superstitious delusions.

More complete is the record of mitochondrial DNA.

See:

http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/ingman.html

Believe is what stupid people do instead of find out the truth for themselves.

That's quite interesting -- all that evidence in our mitochondria!
Of course God arranged it all 6,000 years ago when He created
the Earth. It just shows the lengths He's willing to go in order
to test our faith!  He seems to do that a lot.  On the other hand,
maybe He created fundamentalists as horrible examples to show us
that faith can be taken much too far!

Here is a wonderful website with a huge amount of evidence
for evolution, including various missing links, and some actual
observations of the evolution of new species:

The Talk.Origins Archive:
Exploring the Creation/Evolution/Intelligent Design Controversy
http://www.talkorigins.org/

And here are some great articles by Nessie:

http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/index.html

Have you written more after 11/5/2001?

Are you _that_ Nessie, writing from a waterproof terminal in
Scotland?  No wonder you're interested in evolution!

This is the best description of the world situation that I've
ever seen:

http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/bio.html
Conspiracy is as natural as breathing. Everyone does it,
everyone. When we spell rather than use words in front of
our young children, we are conspiring. When we agree to
distract mommy so our siblings can raid the cookie jar, we
are conspiring.

When we imagine that the powers that be are somehow above
all that, we are sadly deluded. That's how they came to
power. To them, we are livestock, nothing more. The ruling
class, the so-called elite, are pastoralists by trade. They
herd us. They fleece us. They sell us. They rustle us. They
breed us. They experiment on us without our knowledge or
consent. They slaughter us at will. They own us and they own
our land. That's how it is. That's how it's going to be, at
least for as long as we play along. _Husbandry_ it's a verb. Look
it up. Then look up _cull_.

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[CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion

[Mark S Bilk]

 the event is pressing the United Nations to
 recognize same-sex couples and treat their partnerships as equal to
 traditional marriages.

 Carol Bellamy, executive director of the U.N. Children's Fund, or
 UNICEF, sent a message of support to the conference.

 Annan told panel members the world should become much more tolerant
 and compassionate.

 I think what is important is that we should stress those positive
 aspects in our society, the things that bring us together, and move
 away from discrimination and persecution, the secretary general said.

 At a news conference last week, the Atlantic Monthly reported, Annan
 was asked to comment on the debate over what constitutes a family.

 I believe that individuals should be allowed to make their own choices

 and that we should be careful not to draw conclusions or adopt
 prejudicial attitudes towards people for their choices and
 preferences, he said. That's not something I think this organization
 should get involved in.

 Mark Malloch Brown, administrator of the U.N. Development Program, sent

 a statement to the organizers, stating, Discrimination based on sexual

 orientation not only violates basic human rights but also hinders
 development by immobilizing human capital, stifling expression and
 limiting freedom of choice.



   U.N. Human Rights Commission meeting


 The panel discussed ways to ensure the success of a resolution at
 introduced at this year's U.N. Human Rights Commission to expand the
 world body's definition of discrimination to include sexual
 orientation.

 Robinson blamed the Vatican for the resolution's failure and promised a

 global lobby effort to ensure victory next year.

 This year's resolution was sponsored by Brazil, but Robinson said a
 different champion will promote it next time.

 Gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender lawmakers from around the world
 will meet in San Diego this fall to coordinate their efforts, he noted.

 IGLHRC, the international group, distributed fliers at the meeting that

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 The group also is lobbying against denial of marriage to same sex
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[CTRL] Major New UFO Documentary On Sci-Fi Channel Tonight 6/24 - 6 or 9PM

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On SCI-FI channel at 9pm unless you're on the west coast watching
the east coast feed, as in the SF Bay Area, in which case it's on at 6pm.
Check your schedule.

   Bolinas man's film says we are not alone
   Alex Horvath, Special to The Chronicle Friday, February 7, 2003 [chronicle.gif]
   

  On a recent Friday morning, Marin filmmaker James Fox was in New York City trying to 
do what he calls some
   guerrilla marketing. In case you missed him, that was Fox on NBC's Today show - 
standing in the crowd behind
   host Matt Lauer, holding up a sign that posed the question, Are UFOs Real?

   The sign also listed a Web site where viewers could learn about Fox's newest 
documentary, Out of the Blue, which
   ponders the existence of UFOs and how much the government has actually revealed 
about them. It was Fox's second
   time on Today in a week - having pulled the same stunt on Monday morning after 
arriving in the Big Apple.

   The unscheduled background appearances on national television were a success, the 
Bolinas resident said.

   My Web site got more than 1,700 hits on Monday alone and sold enough copies of the 
video to pay my airfare. It
   more than paid for the trip to New York, he said.

   While Fox's Today show antics might be viewed by some as extreme, praise has come 
from those who have actually
   seen the film, including the publisher of Skeptic Magazine.

   With what seems like an almost illimitable supply of documentaries on UFOs one 
begins to wonder what else can be
   said about these elusive craft. 'Out of the Blue' breaks out of the paradigmatic 
mold and emerges as one of the
   very best films ever produced on this, one of the most interesting subjects in the 
history of science, Skeptic
   Magazine Publisher Michael Shermer said.

   The film also won two EBE awards in March 2002 at the International UFO Congress - 
one for Best UFO Documentary
   and the other a People's Choice Award. EBE stands for Extraterrestrial Biological 
Entity.

   An executive at the Sci Fi Channel confirmed that negotiations are under way to 
purchase broadcast rights to Out
   of the Blue.

   At 34, Fox is making a name for himself in the world of documentary filmmakers and 
flying saucer chasers,
   sometimes referred to as UFOlogists.

   Not bad for someone with no formal journalistic background or film and video 
training and who, until recently,
   hadn't given much thought to government cover-ups or the existence of UFOs.

   The video is Fox's second work on the existence of extraterrestrials. His first 
film, UFOs: 50 Years of Denial?
   sold to the Discovery Channel in 1999 and was broadcast there (and on the Learning 
Channel) for the past three
   years.

   The documentary features interviews with astronauts Gordon Cooper and Edgar 
Mitchell, who sy scientific
   investigations into the existence of extraterrestrial life are warranted based on 
evidence from high-ranking
   military officials they have met who say they have worked with alien technology and 
hardware.

   Out of the Blue offers a more in-depth look at the flying saucer phenomenon and 
skewers government officials for
   allegedly concealing facts.

   The two-hour documentary, which is narrated by actor Peter Coyote, who lives in 
Mill Valley, offers an alternative
   view, including astronauts, former presidents and retired military personnel 
lending credence to the possibility
   of alien life and flying saucers.

   In the film, former President Jimmy Carter claims to have seen a UFO hurtling 
across the Georgia sky in 1969, and
   former President Gerald Ford verifies that as a Congressman he ordered hearings 
into UFO sightings that the Air
   Force officials had been dismissing as being swamp gas.

   Mercury 7 astronaut Cooper tells how, in 1955, he witnessed an event that has yet 
to be explained. While he was
   supervising the filming of a precision- landing facility for F-86 fighter jets, a 
saucerlike craft flew directly
   over the cameraman. According to Cooper, three landing gear apparatus opened, and 
the object landed on the dry
   lakebed. Apollo 14 astronaut Mitchell tells of a covert effort to keep the subject 
matter top secret.

   Fox had a connection to journalism through his family; his father is Charles Fox, a 
writer whose work has appeared
   in Rolling Stone, Playboy and Esquire magazines, among others. Fox remembered going 
along on an interview with his
   father for a PC Magazine article about physicist Stephen Hawking in the early 1990s.

   It was a story about the software that helps him communicate with the outside 
world. But we didn't want to talk
   about software; we wanted to talk about the black hole. He ticked away with his 
thumb for a few minutes writing
   out his response. What finally came out was 'I thought this interview was supposed 
to be about computers - not
   God.' 

   Fox's career 

Re: [CTRL] BANKRUPT PARANOIA MAGAZINE!

[Mark McHugh]

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William Shannon wrote:

 In a message dated 6/23/2003 6:55:12 PM Central Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Hey, flw, good suggestion!  Mail any copies of that
  rag, PARANOIA, right to the FBI!  If we work together,
  we can get that magazine off the stands and into the
  trash cans where it belongs!


 What is your problem with Paranoia?

 Bill.

Perhaps TCB got flamed in Paranoia for his Conjurella material?  His vehemence
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Re: [CTRL] Why most Americans are unable to perceive and protest America's slide into fascism

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 for everyone it is FAR more human than any religion that
man conceived.

Tell that to the Palestinians, who have been robbed, pushed off
their land, and tens of thousands tortured and murdered by the
fundamentalist Jewish state of Israel.  Tell it to male babies
screaming out their agony while being genitally mutilated
(circumcised), as allowed or asked for by brainwashed parents who
believe and follow the most anti-human doctrines merely because
they are written in the Bible/Torah.

In democratic socialism or social democracy, people control the
economy and make it work for them; thus the economy serves the
workers.  In unregulated capitalism, people are forced to work
for whatever wages the dominating businessmen choose to pay them,
while these businessmen keep for themselves most of the value
that the workers produce.  Since workers have no control over
businesses or the economy as a whole, they are forced to serve
it, or actually to serve the wealthy owners who control it and
the government.

If you control it, it serves you; if you don't and are forced
to depend on it for your livelihood, then you serve it; it's
that simple!  (And that obvious.)

The claim that individuals can better themselves within an
unregulated capitalist economy is a myth for most people.  Poor
people have difficulty affording the education adequate for
competing in business, and businesses they start themselves are
at a great disadvantage compared to established ones that already
enjoy name recognition, distribution channels, and economies of
scale.  The Horatio Alger myth is promulgated by the wealthy
capitalist elite to get the sheep to serve them -- Serve me long
enough and someday you too will join the elite and be able to rob
the value of what workers produce.  For almost everyone, with
very few exceptions, that day never comes.

This is the most inane, assinine load of leftist garbage I have read in
a while. The author is utterly clueless about how societies and
economies actually work. What he and his confederates seek is not
liberty but license, not freedom but the ability to tyranize those who
don't agree with him. It is socialism as we have seen it in a thousand
gulags and concentration camps around the world. We will see it again,
sadly, and millions will pay with their lives for his greed and the
greed of his confederates. But let's call this by it's right name. It's
not progressive... it's evil!

Vague rhetorical bullshit!  What I seek is democracy -- control
of government and economy by all people equally, without unfair
advantages gained by the wealthy through campaign financing and
winner-take-all voting.  And furthermore, people must have a
variety of uncensored news media that tell the whole truth, not
media owned and controlled by wealthy businessmen telling lies
that serve only themselves.  Such as the current Big Lie that
the U.S. was attacked by terrorists on 9-11, and we must give
up our Constitutional rights and freedoms, and make war on
various other (coincidentally oil-rich) countries, in order to
be safe.  See:

  http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911/

Evil is people harming other people to benefit themselves.  The
robbing by wealthy capitalists from workers of nearly all the
value the workers produce is the greatest economic evil.

The principles followed by the Russian and Chinese Communists
contained the flawed idea of an elite or vanguard of Communist
Party members who would lead, and thus control, everyone else.
This is what resulted in gulags.  Well-informed people in
democratic control of their government -- which is what socialists
and social-democrats want -- don't put themselves in gulags.

References:

 The US Is And Has Been The Center Of World Fascism --
 Destroying Democracy Around the World To Increase The Profits
 Of Wealthy Businessmen

 o Most of the funding for Hitler's military buildup came from
   some very wealthy conservative Americans and their businesses.
   Many of the racial-superiority ideas came from American
   organizations also.

   http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/noon.html
   http://www.ka.net/randy/conspiracies/conspiracies.html
   http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/
   http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm
   _Trading With The Enemy_, Charles Higham, 1983
   _All Honorable Men_, James Stuart Martin, 1950
   _Who Financed Hitler?_, James  Suzanne Pool, 1978
   _The Secret War Against The Jews_, John Loftus  Mark Aarons, 1994

 o Since WWII, the U.S., on behalf of some very wealthy Americans,
   has attacked over 50 nations by military action or subversion,
   in order to prevent the citizens of those nations from having
   democratic control of their government and economy, leaving
   them helpless against tyranny and exploitation by American
   corporations and U.S.-backed fascist governments and militia/
   death-squads.

   http://members.aol.com/bblum6/American_holocaust.htm
   http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/KillingHope_page.html
   http

Re: [CTRL] Why most Americans are unable to perceive and protest America's slide into fascism

[Mark S Bilk]

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In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 
11:43:49PM -0500
Organization: http://www.cosmicpenguin.com

On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 11:43:49PM -0500, Zuukie wrote:
...
I checked out your website and based on that and your comments
you really are into coveting.

What I'm into is workers receiving as wages most of the value
of the goods and services they produce.  Instead of almost all
of it going to wealthy owners, executives, stockholders, bankers,
etc., resulting in 95% of U.S. wealth being in the hands of the
richest 5% of the population.  Morally, that wealth belongs
mostly to the workers; wanting to get it back is not coveting.

I would suggest you find out where in your area you can
review back issues of the Chronicle of Philanthropy.  You might then see
who really has the wealth and which organizations are being supported.
It sure isn't the right that's getting the bulk of the money.  All of
the causes you support are not being supported by the little guy sending
in his $10 bill.

Zuukie appears to be saying that some wealthy people support
pro-human organizations.  True, but so many other wealthy people
support the Fascists (Republicans and some of the Democrats) that
those organizations can't do much.

All of the doing good activities you describe have
intruded the government into every area of our lives.

Apparently Zuukie's life mostly consists of dumping toxic waste,
abusing women, blacks, and gays, selling injurious products, etc.

After all the
controllers have to make sure that the people got what they really
wanted, made sure the efforts were properly funded, were followed thru
in every possible way, nationally and internationally without
interference from anyone with a different point of view. You really want
me to believe the establishment politicians saw the light that was
brought to them by the people.  Remember SDS -- Supply the Demand for
the Supply?  It works for the one-worlders also.  Have you ever seen it
in operation in the small discussion groups where a concensus is to be
formed?  Talk about immoral manipulative behavior!

I don't think any actual meaning can be assigned to that
completely vague paragraph.

Just where do you draw the line at capitalism?  According to the
following study, of the top forty richest Americans almost all of the
big capitalists were around in the 1800s.  The study by Michael Klepper
and Robert Gunther grew out of research the two did for a 1996 book The
Wealthy 100: From Benjamin Franklin to Bill Gates A Ranking of the
Richest Americans, Past and Present. The authors updated their data for
the magazine article.
People with money are no more or less moral than
those with no money.  The man or woman who owns five MacDonalds is just
as likely to be immoral as the poverty level Mom.

Perhaps that's so, but since under capitalism money equals
power, immoral wealthy American businessmen, using conservative
politicians to control the government, have murdered many
millions of people in other countries in order to prevent
them from controlling their own economy, leaving it open to
these predatory businessmen to use the population as virtual
slave labor.  Such businessmen financed Hitler in order to
kill off socialism in Europe, and after WWII financed various
death-squad operations, and carried out direct military
interventions, to stop democracy, trade-unionism, and socialism;
see the references below.

Generalizations may
make you feel superior to the capitalists, but stereotypes are
dangerous to clear thinking.

So?  The problem is that 95% of the wealth in the U.S. is held
by the richest 5% of the population.  That wealth is the value of
the goods and services produced by workers, so it is finite.  The
fact that most of it is taken by the rich means that little is
left for working people.

But thanks anyway for pointing out that there is a New Age culture
and what it looks like to the true believer.

Zuukie offers no rational criticism of New Age culture, but
implies that people who agree with it are irrational true
believers.  He also makes no attempt to defend his vile smear
in his previous post that flower children caused Fascism.

References:

 o Most of the funding for Hitler's military buildup came from
   some very wealthy conservative Americans and their businesses.
   Many of the racial-superiority ideas came from American
   organizations also.

   http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/noon.html
   http://www.ka.net/randy/conspiracies/conspiracies.html
   http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/
   http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm
   _Trading With The Enemy_, Charles Higham, 1983
   _All Honorable Men_, James Stuart Martin, 1950
   _Who Financed Hitler?_, James  Suzanne Pool, 1978
   _The Secret War Against The Jews_, John Loftus  Mark Aarons, 1994

 o Since WWII, the U.S., on behalf of some very wealthy Americans,
   has attacked over 50 nations by military action or subversion

Re: [CTRL] Why most Americans are unable to perceive and protest America's slide into fascism

[Mark S Bilk]

 they
themselves have done.

Now when we all are forced to take
on the roles which have been planned for us, yelling fascism will do no
good.   We wouldn't recognize real fascism if it stood on the steps of
the Capital and yelled it's name.  We stopped fighting Big Brother and
his New Age ideas, and now we are his.  Hitler and Stalin would
understand how it happened only too well.

New Age is consciousness, psychedelics, sharing, pro-human
religions like Wicca, environmentalism, full civil rights for
non-whites, women, gays, etc.  It is the _opposite_ of Fascism.
In fact, New Age, hippie, liberal, flower children are at the
forefront of the fight _against_ Fascism.

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Re: [CTRL] Chaplain Gives Thirsty Soldiers Water IF They Get BaptisedFirst.

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William Shannon wrote:

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 Army chaplain offers baptisms, baths
 BY MEG LAUGHLIN
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 CAMP BUSHMASTER, Iraq - In this dry desert world near Najaf, where the Army V
 Corps combat support system sprawls across miles of scabrous dust, there's an
 oasis of sorts: a 500-gallon pool of pristine, cool water.

 It belongs to Army chaplain Josh Llano of Houston, who sees the water
 shortage, which has kept thousands of filthy soldiers from bathing for weeks,
 as an opportunity.

 ''It's simple. They want water. I have it, as long as they agree to get
 baptized,'' he said.


Fucking parasite.  Wonder if a chaplain ever got fragged?

I remember being awakened by my buddy out in the desert with, Hey, McHugh, wake
up.  Your father's here.  Sure right, but I got out of my fart sack to see what
the prank was.  Turns out there's this bear of priest named LTC McHugh there to
see me.  He was the brigade chaplain.  I had a laugh, but still felt like
fragging his ass for wasting good sack time.

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Re: [CTRL] The Sedition Act of 1798

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Flash Gordon wrote:

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 SEC. 2. And be it farther enacted, That if any person
 shall write, print, utter or publish, or shall cause
 or procure to be written, printed, uttered or
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[snip]

This repugnant law expired in 1801.  I'm surprised you didn't mention the
Espionage Act of 1917 and 1918.

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[CTRL] War Dolphins [was: ANOTHER BAD RUSSIAN TRANSLATION]

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Steve Wingate wrote:

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 Notice reference to US's use of dolphins to clear the mines. ;-(


[snip]


Here's what I got from AP today:

Dolphins to clear mines from port

CAMP AS SALIYAH, Qatar (AP) -- You've heard of bomb-sniffing dogs, but
mine-sniffing dolphins?

Coalition forces have brought in two specially trained bottle-nosed Atlantic
dolphins to help ferret out mines in the approaches of the port of Umm Qasr,
Maj. Gen. Victor Renuart of the Central Command said Tuesday.

The dolphins will help clear the way for the shipment of humanitarian aid to
allied-held southern Iraq, Renuart said.

The dolphins, named Makai and Tacoma, wre flown into Umm Qasr by US Navy
helicopters Tuesday night and were expected to begin searching for mines today,
according to pool reports.

The dolphins are taught to avoid touching the mines, which might cause them to
explode, said Capt. Mike Tillotson, a Navy bomb disposal expert.  He said there
was little risk to animals doing this kind of work.

The biggest hazard could come from other indigenous dolphins in the waters of
Umm Qasr.

Dolphins are territorial and there is a fear local dolphins might drive the
interlopers out, causing them to go AWOL.

[AP picture of handler and dolphin with a small camera on its right fin jumping
out of the water]

caption:
Sgt. Andrew Garrett watches K-Dog, a bottle nose dolphin attached to Commander
Task Unit 55.4.3, leap out of the water while training near the USS Gunston Hall
in ther Persian Gulf.  Commander Task Unit 55.4.3 is a multinational team from
the US, UK and Australia conducting deep/shallow water mine clearing operations
with the dolphins to clear shipping lanes for humanitarian relief.

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[CTRL] Strange NASA Graphic

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I turned to the NASA channel yesterday just to see what they had.
There was a picture of the crew of STS-107 with the US and Israeli
flags behind them.  To me it's beyond coincidence that the Magen David
of the Israeli flag just happened to wreathe Colonel Ramon's head like
a halo.  Very cool symbol work.

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Re: [CTRL] New OP

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 In a message dated 1/15/03 10:32:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 What's an OP?  Opinion Poll?
 
 I see OP and think observation point or opornyj punkt.
 
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  Op as in PsyOP

 Om
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Ah, verstehe.

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Re: [CTRL] New OP

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 Well, it is quite obvious that enough people are not buy what Bush Bandit's
 are selling and folks are disassembling and understanding.  An op is being
 put together in Cambridge/Harvard using the talents of folks like Chip
 Berlet and Dan Sheehan. The objective of the OP is to interject into the
 debate the classic left-right dichotomies and a new flurry of anti-Semitism
 to sully conspiracy theory research.

What's an OP?  Opinion Poll?

I see OP and think observation point or opornyj punkt.

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Re: [CTRL] The Two Towers

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Euphorian wrote:

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 On 6 Jan 2003 at 23:44, Mark McHugh wrote:

  Y'all are aware that Landover Baptist is a satirical site, right,
  something akin to The Onion?

 But with kernels of truth nonetheless?

 A:E:R

Sure, that's what makes it even more amusing.  Check out the front
page for more amusing bits like:

We have a permanent injunction against all
unsaved persons. If you are unsaved, you are
not allowed within a 10-mile radius of our
church, nor are you allowed on this website.
Kindly leave, and be about the Devil's business,
for you are not welcome here. Glory!

and

God told me
to hate you
-
Betty Bowers
http://www.bettybowers.com
-
never without an
honorary first stone

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Re: [CTRL] The Two Towers

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Euphorian wrote:

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 http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news1202/twotowers.html

 December 2002

 Christian Moviegoers Beware!
 The Two Towers is Homo Slang For Erect Hobbit Penises


Y'all are aware that Landover Baptist is a satirical site, right,
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Re: [CTRL] The Shocking Pagan Origin Of Christmas

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Paul Meares wrote:

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 from:

 Jeff Rense - Fri., Dec. 19 '02

 http://www.crncast.com/asxautomagic.asp?ArchiveDate=12-19-02


That was an interesting show.  I liked the bit about the sporing
amanita being the Graal.

May as well include James Arthur's link, the man lecturing on Rense's
show:

http://www.jamesarthur.net/

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Re: [CTRL] Meet President Dennis Hastert

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alien wrote:

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 I notice his name is listed as J. Dennis Hastert -- those leading
 initial names are invariably CIA...

Yeah, right.  Denny is the son-in-law of my former next-door neighbor
(Mrs. Kahl).  He had difficulty following my explanation of my MI
unit's mission back in the mid 80's.  Definitely not CIA then and
there's no such thing as Insta-Spook, just add Rep before your name!

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Re: [CTRL] FW: Enjoy the Poster, and Spread the Word

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thew wrote:

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 --
 -- --- -- --  -- --

 I believe reality is a marvelous joke staged for my edification and
 amusement, and everybody is working very hard to make me happy.
  --Terence McKenna

 NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew

 -- Forwarded Message
  From: Regime Change Poster Campaign
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: 23 Oct 2002 15:05:55 -
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Enjoy the Poster, and Spread the Word
 
  Subject: Regime Change Begins at Home
 
  I just got a sign for my car that says Regime Change Begins
  at Home. Vote.  You can download one, too, at:
 
  http://www.moveon.org/PAC_regimechange2/


Thanks for this most excellent info, thew!

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Re: [CTRL] Israelis Kill Baby for Violating Curfew

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thew wrote:

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 Hey flw

 Why didn't you report the baby who dies on the Jerusalem bus that exploded
 the other day? Jewish babies don't count as tragedy when they are killed?

thew, I'm wondering, considering your viewpoint
(http://home.earthlink.net/~thew/Pages/Think.html), if you
differentiate between state-sponsored murder and murder by apparently
deranged individuals.

Don't get me wrong, murder sucks regardless of the victims' social
packaging.  I'm just curious.

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Re: [CTRL] George Carlin on Bush War (start URL)

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


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 http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?
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 George Carlin on Bush War  (continued)
 by GEORGE CARLIN

  Yugoslavia is another, more recent example.



Thanks for the great opinion piece from Carlin, Chris!

You can get the beginning of the story starting here:

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=104contentid=554page=1

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Re: [CTRL] Dear American Slaves

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iNFoWaRZ wrote:

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 At 10:45 PM 8/3/02 , you wrote:
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 Quite simple really -
 
 Retake the ownership of your body back from the state.
 
 Anti-abortion, anti-drug, anti-prostitution, anti-suicide, anti-sexual
 freedom laws, tc, are simply state sponsored slavery.
 --

 ?
 The state wants the people decadent.  Decadent people are compromised and 
extremely easy to control.  The state loves the fact that the people are aborting 
children, prostituting, committing suicide, taking *government* trafficked drugs, and 
screwing and backstabbing each other.
 The Laws against these things are a facade of the state.
 They have you both ways.
 If you are decadent, you are a slave.
 And if that fails then they can also prosecute you under their myriad of laws.

 Take your body back?
 Take it back by NOT aborting, using government drugs, killing yourself, and screwing 
your neighbors.
 More important than taking your body back is taking your mind back from the state.


Decadence is such a subjective concept, dependent on one's own mental
filters.  If you follow rigid Judeo-Christian cant, are you not as
easily controlled?  As thew recommends, Think For Yourself.

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Re: [CTRL] Dear American Slaves

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iNFoWaRZ wrote:

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 At 11:05 AM 8/4/02 , you wrote:
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 iNFoWaRZ wrote:
  
   -Caveat Lector-
  
   At 10:45 PM 8/3/02 , you wrote:
   -Caveat Lector-
   
   Quite simple really -
   
   Retake the ownership of your body back from the state.
   
   Anti-abortion, anti-drug, anti-prostitution, anti-suicide, anti-sexual
   freedom laws, tc, are simply state sponsored slavery.
   --
  
   ?
   The state wants the people decadent.  Decadent people are compromised and 
extremely easy to control.  The state loves the fact that the people are aborting 
children, prostituting, committing suicide, taking *government* trafficked drugs, and 
screwing and backstabbing each other.
   The Laws against these things are a facade of the state.
   They have you both ways.
   If you are decadent, you are a slave.
   And if that fails then they can also prosecute you under their myriad of laws.
  
   Take your body back?
   Take it back by NOT aborting, using government drugs, killing yourself, and 
screwing your neighbors.
   More important than taking your body back is taking your mind back from the 
state.

 --

 Decadence is such a subjective concept, dependent on one's own mental
 filters.
 ´´
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 Great then you won't mind if I have sex with your wife, Kill your dog and eat it, 
and steal your kids and sell them to some homo pornographers.
 I just love subjectiveness.
 And if you don't like it, tough.
 Re-adjust your mental filters.
 Who are you to tell me what is decadent or not?
 Get the picture?


Ja, I get the picture.  You've been programmed to believe that freedom
of thought is anarchy and that freethinkers are defenseless pacifists.

Aren't you going to address my question:  If you follow rigid
Judeo-Christian cant, are you not as
easily controlled?

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Re: [CTRL] Way OT

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c wrote:

  Considering Saba,
  one must realize that everyone is somehow prejudiced.

 strange comment to make about her as the reason she is disliked is a lot to
 do with her relentless hatred of people. her prejudices are so widely
 spread.

Not so strange a comment.  I ask for understanding and forgiveness by
showing her commonality with all of us through a shared flaw.  Hate
the stultiloquence of the message, forgive the messenger, laugh at the
amusing bits.

 no-one is prejudiced about saba. it is not because she is white, female,
 hetrosexual and a fitzgerald that poeple dislike her, it is *not*
 prejuedice. dislike of her is based on what she does, not on what or who she
 is.

Aw, come on.  Some of the listmembers out there have to hate stupid,
blathering micks just for the simple reason that they exist. ;)

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Re: [CTRL] Kansan1225 was Re: [CTRL] Way OT

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 --- Mark McHugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  reminds me of Kansan1225 on various Usenet newsgroups.

Tenorlove wrote:

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 On which newsgroups can one find Kansan? People used to cross-post him
 here. I miss his humor.

He was here for a while, but I think the volume freaked even him.  I
read his posts at alt.fan.rawilson

He's been a bit boring lately with the Heidi Klum obsession, though.
I usually ask him about the CLuM connections to various events.  I
have fun printing out some of his answers and tacking them up at local
grocery store notice boards.  Everybody needs a little mental
monkeywrenching now and then.

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Re: [CTRL] Way OT

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c wrote:

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  Amen, bring her back!  I use her material as a signpost to the
  Twilight Zone.  I know if I've gone beyond her I'm out there.  She
  reminds me of Kansan1225 on various Usenet newsgroups.
 

 poor kansan, to be lumped in with that harpie.  he may be mental but at
 least his work has direction, obsession and technical merit. oh yes, and
 self effacing humour.

I know you have to sift through quite a bit of dross, but the
occasional nugget of divine madness is worth it.  Considering Saba,
one must realize that everyone is somehow prejudiced.  I guess I have
a pretty good BS filter, thanks to my early exposure in the service of
Uncle Sam.

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Re: [CTRL] Way OT

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thew wrote:

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  From: William Shannon
  But sometimes I miss saba.
  
  She ought to be reinstated...she has alot to offer
  Puh-leeze!  :-( The only thing 'she' ever had to offer is
  unsubtantiated inanities... I'm still waiting for proof of
  'her' so-called Bible Code via a prediction BEFORE the
  fact...

  yeah – but it is SO rare to see that kind of delusional
  paranoia so full blown and on display. I found it
  fascinating.

Amen, bring her back!  I use her material as a signpost to the
Twilight Zone.  I know if I've gone beyond her I'm out there.  She
reminds me of Kansan1225 on various Usenet newsgroups.

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Re: [CTRL] Ben-Eliezer - Israeli Army Breeds Terror

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Joe, are you ever going to add a comment to the posts?  This is the
second post in the past couple of days that has nothing but a fully
quoted article.  Or am I missing something?

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  FYI
 
  Israeli minister says army fuels `terror to come'
  http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/06/21/1023864500791.html
 
  By Ross Dunn, Herald Correspondent in Jerusalem and agencies
  June 22 2002
 
  Israel's Defence Minister, Binyamin Ben-Eliezer, has warned that the
  country's military operations have become an incubator of terror,
  exploited by Palestinian leaders to recruit more volunteers for suicide
  bombing missions.
 
  His warning came as Israel intensified its military offensive against
  Palestinian-ruled areas, following attacks this week that have killed more
  than 30 Israelis.
 
  Dozens of Israeli tanks and armoured vehicles moved into the West Bank city
  of Nablus yesterday, hours after Palestinian gunmen killed five Israelis in
  a house filled with children in a nearby Jewish settlement.
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[CTRL] [Fwd: [DLIFLC] LTC Steve Butler]

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(I remember Butler when I was at DLI.  He was quite an avid runner
and qualifed second for DLI's men's team in the Army Ten Miler back
in 2000.)

Probe of officer's letter continues
DLI colonel heads investigation
By KEVIN HOWE
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Investigation of an Air Force officer's criticism of President Bush
in a letter to the editor has been turned over to his immediate
superior at the Presidio of Monterey.

Lt. Col. Steve Butler was serving as vice chancellor for student
affairs at the Defense Language Institute when he wrote the letter,
published in The Herald on May 26, which accuses Bush of allowing the
Sept. 11 attacks to occur for political reasons.

In his letter, which is attracting national media attention, Butler
wrote that it was sleazy and contemptible for the president to
withhold information from the public to help himself politically.

Butler was suspended from his duties at the Monterey language school
following publication of his letter, which could constitute a
violation of Article 88 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
Article 88 bars any commissioned officer from using contemptuous
words about the president, Congress and various other officials.

The investigation has been turned over to Air Force Col. Jeff
Johnson, deputy commandant of the language school and Butler's
immediate superior and rating officer, Air Force spokeswoman Valerie
Burkes said Tuesday.

It would be inappropriate to make further comments, Burkes said
from her office at the Pentagon.

An Article 88 offense is punishable by a maximum of confinement for
one year, dismissal from the service and forfeiture of all pay and
allowances.

Guidelines for prosecuting the offense note that expressions of
opinion made in a purely private conversation should not ordinarily
be charged, but giving broad circulation to a written publication
containing contemptuous words of the kind made punishable by this
article, or the utterance of contemptuous words of this kind in the
presence of military subordinates, aggravates the offense.

The truth or falsity of the statements is immaterial, the
guidelines say.

The last actual court martial for violation of the article occurred
in 1965, when Army 2nd Lt. Henry Howe was convicted of using
contemptuous words against President Lyndon Johnson and of conduct
unbecoming an officer after taking part in a demonstration against
the Vietnam War. He was discharged and sentenced to two years of hard
labor.

In similar cases in 1999, two Marine officers, one active, the other
a reservist, received administrative punishment for published
writings criticizing President Bill Clinton following the Monica
Lewinsky scandal.

The Oct. 19, 1998, Navy Times published an editorial by Marine Corps
Maj. Shane Sellers headlined Time to Send Clinton to the Showers,
in which Sellers called Clinton a criminal and an adulterous liar.

The Oct. 22 Washington Times published another editorial by Marine
Corps Reserve Maj. Daniel Rabil called Please Impeach my Commander
in Chief, which described Clinton as morally defective, integrity-
impaired, a lying draft-dodger, a moral coward and a spoiled
leftist.

Burkes said Butler has been sent on temporary duty to Travis Air
Force Base near Fairfield, but remains assigned to the Presidio.

Butler has not commented publicly since the investigation began. His
wife, Shelly, said her husband plans to retire in the next few weeks
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[CTRL] [Fwd: [corp-focus] Restorative Justice]

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Restorative Justice
By Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman

Corporate and white collar crime have landed on the front pages of the
nation's agenda-setting newspapers.

Yesterday, the New York Times ran a front-page article reporting that
the last decade has seen a marked increase in accounting and corporate
infractions, fraud in health care, government procurement and
bankruptcy.

Maybe. Maybe not.

We don't know.

One reason we don't know is that while the federal government tracks
street crime through the Federal Bureau of Investigation's yearly Crime
in the United States report, it refuses to compile a similar report for
corporate and white collar crime.

It could just be that the press and prosecutors are finally noticing, in
the wake of Enron and Andersen and Global Crossing, what has been true
for most of this century -- that corporate and white collar crime
inflicts far more damage on society than all street crime combined.

And yet, the nation's prison system is filled with street criminals.

We are tough on street criminals.

We engage in negotiations with corporate and white collar criminals.

Should we level the playing field by putting more white collar criminals
in prison?

Maybe. Maybe not.

What about leveling the playing field by taking more seriously the idea
of negotiating with corporate and street criminals?

This is an idea touted by John Braithwaite, a professor at the
Australian National University in Canberra, Australia, considered to be
one of the world's premiere corporate and white collar criminologists.

In his most recent work, Restorative Justice, Responsive Regulation
(Oxford, 2002), Braithwaite comes down hard on retributive justice.

It doesn't work for street crime.

And, he says, it doesn't work well for white collar crime.

Braithwaite argues that throwing people in prison because they deserve
it is a failed criminal justice policy.

For all the wrong reasons, says Braithwaite, corporate crime enforcement
is restorative, while street crime enforcement is retributive.

Some of us began to wonder whether we were wrong to see our mission as
making corporate crime enforcement more like street crime enforcement
through tougher sanctions, Braithwaite writes. Instead, we began to
wonder whether street crime enforcement might be more effective if it
were more like corporate criminal enforcement.

What does Braithwaite mean by retributive justice?

That you ought to punish wrongdoers because they deserve to be
punished, he says. Retributive justice is the notion that you respond
to hurt with more hurt. Or as Nils Christie says, when pain has been
caused by crime, you fight back with another spoonful of pain, as if
that is a sensible response. It often turns out not to be a sensible
response, because you get into a vicious spiral of hurt begetting hurt.
Whereas restorative justice is an attempt to create the opposite dynamic
of healing begetting healing.

So, even in the case of the most egregious street crimes, bringing
victims and perpetrators together, along with their family members and
loved ones, is the more effective policy.

Structured conversations, overseen by government authority and requiring
a genuine showing of remorse by perpetrators, will often leave victims
feeling more satisfied that justice has been done, and criminals less
likely to commit new crimes, he says.

Restorative justice works well for corporate crime, too, he says.

Braithwaite grew up in Ipswich, Australia, a coal mining town where a
number of his friends suffered very serious injury and some were killed
in the mines.

Regulatory conversations occur after coal mine disasters. How many of 

Re: [CTRL] Admirals Urge Probe Of Attack On USS Liberty

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Kristine S wrote:

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 I watched a documentary (think I taped it for my dad
 but never got it to him as of yet) and to say it was
 enlightening doesn't quite say enough.  These men
 deserve to have the truth come out.  They were under
 attack for a ridiculous almost two hours, and the
 Israelis got close enough to their boat that they
 could even them smiling at them.  Horrendous!!
 Unacceptable shit that our government is covering this
 atrocity up.  It all had to do with the fact that the
 NSA was on board!!  Fuckers, doing covert intelligence
 putting the lives of the rest of the crew members on
 board in danger because they knew nothing about the
 NSA's activities!!

I agree that there should be an investigation.  I disagree with your
theory that the NSA brought about doom on unwitting support
sailors on the Liberty.  It seems obvious that you are ignorant of
some aspects of intelligence gathering.

Sure, there are a limited number of sailors (those fuckers you
mentioned) with the proper training and clearance whose main function
is that of intercept, interpretation and dissemination, and that the
support and command crew generally are in the dark about the
specifics, but they all do know that they are a spook ship.  It's a
USN ship whose product goes to the DOD and NSA.

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[CTRL] [Fwd: [40] VIRUS ALERT]

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Re: [CTRL] NIGER - Is this hate language or another association?

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laural wrote:

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 NIGER - Is this hate language or another association? (c)2002

 Africa has many tribes and many different governments
 and because of the wars between those tribes selling
 a families children into slavery or prostitution has
 become the main commerce item of some African
 countries. Nigeria and Nigerians have been highlighted
 because the country seemingly has been emulating Nazi
 Germany - which means that the term Niger was for those
 that believed the end justifies the means or that they could
 steal what they wanted.

 Negro is a Spanish word that means
 black and considering that the underlying skin tones seem to be
 pink, yellow, brown or red; Negro describes the majority of
 people from Africa. The red man or American Indian is another
 example of a skin tone, and European Mediterranean area
 shading to the yellow. I am guessing that yellow man may
 not have become an established term because any skin color
 may have an yellowish cast from jaundice.

 To accuse a black of trying to be white is America seems to have
 come to mean that they are trying to be American and reap some
 of the advantages that being American brings.  Black culture for
 some means the same as Nazi Germany which is in direct
 conflict with our constitution.

 I am writing this because I have met more white and yellow
 NIGERs than I have black ones.  So, if I were to hear a
 Ku Klux Klan member say Niger I would reply
 You mean a white Nazi like you or someone from
 one of the African countries that does not have a
 Constitutional Government, yet?

 Laura Lee Lanning~Shipton (c)2002
 http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/index.html


Is this writer's native language English?  Her syntax is that of a
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Re: [CTRL] Palestinians Say Israeli Aim Was to Destroy Framework

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Jei wrote:


 http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/16/international/middleeast/16RAMA.html

 Copyright 2002 The New York Times Company
 The New York Times
 Tuesday, April 16, 2002

 Palestinians Say Israeli Aim Was to Destroy Framework
 By SERGE SCHMEMANN

 RAMALLAH, West Bank, April 15 -- In one room of the Palestinian Ministry
 of Education, the litter of papers, glass, paper clips and periodicals was
 ankle-deep. The filing cabinets had been ransacked, and some toppled.
 Personal computers sat on the desks, their hard drives ripped out.

 In another room, the Israeli soldiers had blasted open the safe. The
 explosion brought down the suspended ceiling there and in adjoining rooms,
 leaving a mess. Dr. Naim Abu Hommos, the deputy minister of education,
 said the safe had been used to keep all school test records since 1960.
 All were gone, he said, along with 40,000 shekels -- about $8,500 -- that
 had been kept there for petty cash.

[snip]

I saw a report on CNN this afternoon that echoed this article.  Safes
blown open, classroom computers and equipment crushed, evidence of an
unsuccessful attempt at cracking an ATM and main vault at a private
bank.  Looking for terrorists...ja, right.  I suppose the heroic IDF
has looting yahoos and a slack discipline like many other invading
armies.

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Re: [CTRL] The Queen Mum-ANUS HORRIBILIS (1 of 2)

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Tenorlove wrote:

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  Don't tell Icke!  It's more amusing this way.  The old woman did look
  like a hemorrhoid.

 You have mother confused with daughter. The Queen Mum looked like the
 type of little old lady a Boy Scout should be helping across the street.


Not the picture I saw.  No smile; beady, vacant eyes.  Gave me the
willies.  QE2 just reminds me of some pissed-off church lady.

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Re: [CTRL] The Queen Mum-ANUS HORRIBILIS (1 of 2)

[Mark McHugh]

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Tenorlove wrote:

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 Somebody needs to tell D. Icke that it's ANNUS, (TWO N's) not ANUS. Big
 difference.


Don't tell Icke!  It's more amusing this way.  The old woman did look
like a hemorrhoid.

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[CTRL] I Must Not Think Bad Thoughts

[Mark McHugh]

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I had the More Fun in the New World CD jamming tonight.  One song in
particular leapt out at me.  The stanzas highlighting the current US
majority reality-tunnel are below.  X was so perceptive for 1983.

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I Must Not Think Bad Thoughts
by X

 The facts we hate, we'll never meet
 Walkin' down the road, everybody yellin' hurry up, hurry up
   But I'm waiting for you, I must go slow
I must not think bad thoughts
What is this world coming to?
 Both sides are right, but both sides murder
I give up -- why can't they?

  I must not think bad thoughts...

 The civil wars -- and the uncivilized wars
Conflagrations leap out of every poor furnace
   The food cooks poorly and everyone goes hungry
  From then on it's dog eat dog, dog eat body, body eat dog
I can't go down there, I can't understand it
I'm a no-good coward, an American too
A North American, that is, and I must not think bad thoughts
I'm guilty of murder of innocent men
Innocent woman and innocent children
  Thousands of 'em
  My planes, my guns, my money, my soldiers
  My blood on my hands -- it's all my fault

  I must not think bad thoughts...

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Re: [CTRL] American Woman Shot in MidEast

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Euphorian wrote:

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 From http://palestinechronicle.com/article.php?story=20020403001932542

 }}}Begin
 Details Emerge About American Woman Shot Dead By Israeli Soldiers

 Wednesday, April 03 2002 @ 12:19 AM GMT

 Suraida sat in the passenger seat holding her 9-month-old son Muhsin as Morad
 drove their car. A band of the notorious under cover units, undercover Israeli 
soldiers
 dressed like Arabs, stood in the shadows of an upcoming intersection


Hey, Xxx Yyy!

This is just more propaganda, yes?  Damn, these guys are creative.
Next those mean ol' IDF-ers will be beating grandmas and stomping
puppies.

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[CTRL] [Fwd: Tikkun: An Open Letter to American Jews from Israeli Reservist Refusenik]

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  A - I N F O S  N E W S  S E R V I C E
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An Open Letter to American Jews By Assaf Oron Passover Eve, 2002

Dear People,

Yesterday I was informed of an interesting phenomenon: a
peace-supporting Jewish organization called Tikkun published an ad
in favor of us, the Israeli reservist refuseniks, and was immediately
bombarded with hate mails and phones from other American Jews. What
ís more interesting is that even other Jews considering themselves
 supporters of peace have denounced the Tikkun ad, to the extent
 that some of the Tikkun Advisory Board members are resigning in
order to minimize the personal damage to themselves. This has so
saddened, alarmed and angered me, that I find myself setting aside
a half-day at the eve of Passover, and writing this open letter to
 you all. As is my habit, it is quite long, so please bear with me.

Most of the 'civilized' attacks, so I understand, were seemingly
aimed at this or that detail of the Tikkun ad. This is nothing new
to me. Over the past two months since we came out with our own ad,
Iíve heard and read so many specific arguments about specific
aspects of our act. They range from petty nit-picking to plain
ludicrous, and each and every one of them can be refuted to dust
in a matter of minutes. But the moment you refute them, new specific
arguments sprout up like mushrooms. It is clear that there is
something very general and non-specific behind all this criticism.
Therefore, if you allow me, I will start from the general and only
later turn to a couple of these specific issues.

The general theme is the tribal theme. A very very loud voice (and i
n Israel nowadays, it is the only voice that is allowed to be fully
heard) keeps shouting that we are in the midst of a war between two
tribes: a tribe of human beings, of pure good - the Israelis - and
a tribe of sub-human beings, of pure evil - the Palestinians. This
voice is so loud, that it has found its way even to the op-ed pages
of the New York Times (William Safire, March 24 or 25). To those who
find this black-and-white picture a bit hard to believe, the same
voice shouts that this is a war of life and death. Only one tribe
will survive, and so even if we are not purely good, we must lay
morality and conscience to sleep, shut up and fight to kill--or
else, the Palestinians will throw us into the sea.

Does this ring a bell to you? It does to me. As a little child
growing up in Israel under Golda Meir and Moshe Dayan, all I heard
was that the Arabs are inhuman monsters who want to throw us into
the sea, they understand only force, and since our wonderful IDF
has won the Six Day War they know not to mess with us anymore --or
else. And of course, we must keep the Liberated Territories to
ourselves, because thereís no one to talk with. Then came the Yom
Kippur war, and for a child of 7 it was the perfect proof that
indeed the Arabs want to throw us into the sea, and what a great
opportunity it was for our glorious IDF to teach them a lesson.
I prayed for the war to continue to its natural and final end --
the complete surrender of all Arab armies. I was too small to
evaluate, then, how the war really ended; all these cease-fires
and talks were too complicated and boring, much more boring than
a war. And it seemed humiliating that WE should withdraw in these
cease-fires; I remember that the re-opening of the Suez Canal
was portrayed in our mass media as a kind of defeat.

A few years passed and a funny thing happened: those
throw-us-into-the-sea Arabs came to talk with us, and in
exchange for all of Sinai they would sign a full peace. The
IDF chief of staff (the late Motte Gur, later a Labor Party
minister) shouted that it is a hoax, that we should not believe
Saadat, but the politicians had to sign. Already a teenager, I
went and protested against the withdrawal from Sinai. It seemed
strange to me that most of the demonstrators were orthodox Jews.
After all, it was a purely logical issue: the Arabs are not to
be trusted, thatís what weíve learned from day one. Well, lucky
for the country, the government and the majority of the people
employed a different logic, and the peace with Egypt was not
missed.

But the throw-us-into-the-sea paradigm immediately found new
 fields for play. There was an inconvenient reality on the Northern
border, and even though the forces on the other side (Palestinians!
Phew!) had strictly adhered to a secret cease-fire for about a year,
they were Arabs and therefore could not be trusted. So we talked
ourselves into invading Lebanon and setting up a friendlier regime
there. The mastermind of the invasion was defense minister Ariel
Sharon, and Shimon Peres, then head of opposition, voted together
with his party in favor of the invasion. Only later, when it turned
sour, and after many refuseniks already sat in jail, would the main

Re: [CTRL] Riddle Me This...

[Mark McHugh]

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William Shannon wrote:

 http://www.stormtronic.co.uk/9-11/riddlemethis.htm

 Riddle Me This...

 Riddle me this...

 Yale student writes thesis in fall '98 on Osama bin Laden

 She is murdered...

 Thesis advisor top suspect (check Yale Dalily News site)

 Advisor happens to be Yale 82 and Naval Intelligence/Bush admin and
 possible Skull  Bones

 Advisor teaches course on anti-terrorism and drug smuggling...

 Advisor dismissed by Yale...

 Murder never solved...

 Advisor now in Pentagon with security clearance 5 levels above top
 secret...

 So what was in the victims thesis?


I laugh every time I see this crap about x levels above TS.  The
information about security clearances, access codewords and document
classification is out there on the Net or textbooks.  These yahoos
could make their (dis)info more plausible if they used available
knowledge.  Maybe start with Bamford's Puzzle Palace as a primer.

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Re: [CTRL] Quick list question

[Mark McHugh]

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thew wrote:

 I'm just curious whereabout all the members on this list live
 (no sinister alterior motives, no conspiracy)

 i'm in manhattan, new york city, new york, usa, earth


Near St.Louis, Missouri, US.

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