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2004-03-01 Thread Nessie SFBG
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Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion

2003-08-14 Thread Nessie SFBG
Title: Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING:
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Silly boy that you are. Here you are attempting
to change God?s creation when your personal imbittered battle is with
God Himself. Let?s see who wins. Be gone with
you.




It just so happens
that God is a personal friend of mine. I asked God about you. God said
you were full of crap.

"Such language!" I said, "and from Your mouth, too. Why, I'm
shocked, simply shocked."

"Oh get off it," said God, " I'm God. I can say anything I
damn please. Besides, there's nothing wrong with crap. I invented
crap. Crap is good. But you're supposed to put it on your garden,
not between your ears."

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Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages

2003-08-14 Thread Nessie SFBG
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the homophobic community has a perfect right to practice whatever
flavor of superstition it wishes, but they do NOT have the right to
impose their superstitious agenda upon the rest of society...


Hear! Hear!

They especially do not have the right to use the armed might of the
state to impose it.
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Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showd...

2003-08-14 Thread Nessie SFBG
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There is no fossil record to show that.
Oh yes there is.

See:

http://www.handprint.com/LS/ANC/homofs.html

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/




You are dissembling.
You are deluded.

Your irrational, a priori assumptions blind you to the evidence.
Convicts are routinely executed on the basis of less evidence than we
have for evolution. The Bible, the Koran, the Rig Veda, etc. are all
hearsay. The fossils are empirical data. If you rely on hearsay, when
the empirical data contradicts, your logic is flawed.
For more about logic, click here:

http://www.kcmetro.cc.mo.us/longview/ctac/corenotes.htm

http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

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Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion

2003-08-14 Thread Nessie SFBG
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unnatural
behavior,

Click here:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?K4F225D85

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Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion

2003-08-11 Thread Nessie SFBG
Title: Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING:
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Much of
the Old Testament merely records what men did in violation of God's
laws.



Much of the Old Testament merely
records what men did in *obedience* to God's laws.


See:

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/atrocity.shtml

(snip)

Bible
Atrocities

Compiled by Donald Morgan

NOTE: These lists are meant to identify possible problems in the
Bible, especially problems which are inherent in a literalist
or fundamentalist interpretation. Some of the selections may be
resolvable on certain interpretations--after all, almost any problem
can be eliminated with suitable rationalizations--but it is the
reader's obligation to test this possibility and to decide whether it
really makes appropriate sense to do this. To help readers in this
task, these lists are aimed at presenting examples where problems may
exist given certain allowable (but not always obligatory) assumptions.
It should be kept in mind that a perfect and omnipotent God could,
should, and likely would see to it that such problems did not exist in
a book which s/he had inspired.

Note: In the Bible, words having to do with killing significantly
outnumber words having to do with love.

GE
3:1-7, 22-24 God allows Adam and Eve to be deceived by the Serpent
(the craftiest of all of God's wild creatures). They eat of the
Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, thereby incurring
death for themselves and all of mankind for ever after. God prevents
them from regaining eternal life, by placing a guard around the
Tree of Eternal Life. (Note: God could have done the same
for the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in the first
place and would thereby have prevented the Fall of man, the necessity
for Salvation, the Crucifixion of Jesus, etc.)

GE
4:2-8 God's
arbitrary preference of Abel's offering to that of Cain's provokes
Cain to commit the first biblically recorded murder and kill his
brother Abel.

GE
34:13-29 The
Israelites kill Hamor, his son, and all the men of their village,
taking as plunder their wealth, cattle, wives and children.

GE
6:11-17, 7:11-24 God is unhappy with the wickedness of man and decides
to do something about it. He kills every living thing on the face of
the earth other than Noah's family and thereby makes himself the
greatest mass murderer in history.

GE
19:26 God
personally sees to it that Lot's wife is turned to a pillar of salt
(for having looked behind her while fleeing the destruction of Sodom
and Gomorrah).

GE
38:9
... whenever he lay with his brother's wife, he spilled his
semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother.
What he did was wicked ..., so the Lord put him to death.

EX
2:12 Moses
murders an Egyptian.

EX
7:1, 14, 9:14-16, 10:1-2, 11:7 The purpose of the devastation that God brings to the
Egyptians is as follows:
to show that he is Lord;
to show that there is none like him in all the earth;
to show his great power;
to cause his name to be declared throughout the earth;
to give the Israelites something to talk about with their
children;
to show that he makes a distinction between Israel and Egypt.

EX
9:22-25 A
plague of hail from the Lord strikes down everything in the fields of
Egypt both man and beast except in Goshen where the Israelites
reside.

EX
12:29 The
Lord kills all the first-born in the land of Egypt.

EX
17:13 With
the Lord's approval, Joshua mows down Amalek and his people.

EX
21:20-21 With
the Lord's approval, a slave may be beaten to death with no punishment
for the perpetrator as long as the slave doesn't die too quickly.

EX
32:27
Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate
to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every
man his companion, and every man his neighbor.

EX
32:27-29 With
the Lord's approval, the Israelites slay 3000 men.

LE
26:7-8 The
Lord promises the Israelites that, if they are obedient, their enemies
will fall before your sword.

LE
26:22 I
will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your
children.

LE
26:29, DT 28:53, JE 19:9, EZ 5:8-10 As a punishment, the Lord will cause people to eat
the flesh of their own sons and daughters and fathers and friends.

LE
27:29 Human
sacrifice is condoned. (Note: An example is given in JG
11:30-39)

NU
11:33 The
Lord smites the people with a great plague.

NU
12:1-10 God
makes Miriam a leper for seven days because she and Aaron had spoken
against Moses.

NU
15:32-36 A
Sabbath breaker (who had gathered sticks for a fire) is stoned to
death at the Lord's command.

NU
16:27-33 The
Lord causes the earth to open and swallow up the men and their
households (including wives and children) because the men had been
rebellious.

NU
16:35 A fire
from the Lord consumes 250 men.

NU
16:49 A
plague from the Lord kills 14,700 people.

NU
21:3 The
Israelites utterly destroy the Canaanites.

NU
21:6 Fiery
serpents, sent by the Lord, kill many Israelites.

NU
21:35 With
the Lord's 

Re: [CTRL] Sodomites

2003-08-11 Thread Nessie SFBG
Title: Re: [CTRL] Sodomites
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Sodom and Gomorrah was for real and God
destroyed it, just as he
punish all sodomites for thier activities
...

If you take the bible literally, then the sin for
which Sodom was destroyed, was inhospitality.

But then, if you take the Bible literally, you'd better not round
the corners of your beard or wear cloth made from two different
fibers, or else you're going to Hell.

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Re: [CTRL] Homosexuality by W.E.Best

2003-08-11 Thread Nessie SFBG
Title: Re: [CTRL] Homosexuality by
W.E.Best
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Homosexuality
is unnatural.



Then how come so many animals do it?

See:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?K4F225D85





Homosexuality is
not new, but its acceptance by heterosexuals as another lifestyle is
new.



Then how come most heterosexuals never thought twice about it,
one way or the other, until the Christians came along?








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Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion

2003-08-11 Thread Nessie SFBG
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In II Timothy 3:16 we are told all
scripture (Old Testament) is breathed of God (comes from God). Since
Jesus is God (John 1.1 In the beginning was the Word and theWord
was with God and the Word was God. - John 1:14 The word became flesh
and made his dwelling among us.)he is the author of the
condemnations of homosexuality in the Old Testament. This should
answer your question. If it doesn't it must be because you don't
believe the Bible. If so, why bother asking for chapter
andverse?


That's a petitio principii.

See:

http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/begging.htm

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Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showd...

2003-08-11 Thread Nessie SFBG
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 When did they (the so-called scientists) find the missing link?



Long ago, and they keep finding more. The fossil record, though still
not complete, is more than complete enough to demonstrate the
validity of the theory to any who examine the evidence objectively.
This, of course, leaves out all those too befuddled by primitive,
superstitious delusions.
More complete is the record of mitochondrial DNA.

See:

http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/ingman.html



Believe is what stupid people do instead of find out the truth for themselves.

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Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion

2003-08-11 Thread Nessie SFBG
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The wrongs you list are perversions of the gospel preached by Jesus
Where exactly did Jesus condemn homosexuality? Be specific. Cite the
chapter and verse.
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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Nepotocracy in America

2003-07-27 Thread Nessie SFBG
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got an URL for this?

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Re: [CTRL] AWOL (Arabs Who Obfuscate Logic) ?

2003-04-04 Thread Nessie SFBG
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In a similar incident during the Bosnian war, when a Sarajevo market
was shelled by the Serbs, 80 were killed.


Even though it was front page news at the time, it never happened.
Like the Muslim famous funeral massacre, it was a cynical
distortion of the facts. It was later determined that the rounds came
from a Bosniak position. This was not front page news. When reported
at all, it was filler, back with the truss ads.
But what do you expect in propaganda from Britain, the REAL Evil Empire.

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Re: [CTRL] leftist nuts

2003-03-18 Thread Nessie SFBG
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a strong dose of TRUTH
The truth of the matter is that both the left and the right are split
on this war. It's not a left/right issue. It's a survival issue
See: http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/48.html

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Re: [CTRL] Check this out on FrontPageMag.com!

2003-03-13 Thread Nessie SFBG
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where is this empire we've built?


America doesn't just HAVE an empire. America IS an empire.

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Re: [CTRL] Check this out on FrontPageMag.com!

2003-03-13 Thread Nessie SFBG
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 we're free, and economically successful


Some of us are free, others are not. America has the highest per
capita prison population on earth, most of them non violent drug
offenders. Scores of millions of us live below the poverty line.
Scores of millions of us have no medical coverage whatsoever.
the list of countries existing under the tyranny of American rule.
America itself exists under tyrannical rule. We no longer have a
working constitution, and haven't had a Bill of Rights since the 1988
Omnibus Anti-Crime Act. Under the PATRIOT Act, federal law
enforcement has powers of surveillance and detention that would make
Himmler proud. Our troops violate the sovereignty of other nations at
will.
Democracy? Don't make me laugh. America is a plutocracy, nothing
more, nothing less. It's not even a republic. It's an empire, or as
we the enlightened call it, an ongoing criminal enterprise.
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Re: [CTRL] What God Thinks of Race Mixing

2003-01-12 Thread Nessie SFBG
Title: Re: [CTRL] What God Thinks of Race
Mixing
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Race Mixing An
Abomination to God

God happens to be a personal friend of mine and I asked God about this
and God told me personally that you're full of crap.

Frankly, I was a bit shocked.

"Such language," I said, "and from Your mouth, too."

And God said, "Look, I'm God. I can say anything I damn please.
Besides, what the hell's wrong with crap? Crap is good. There's
nothing wrong with crap. I know. I created the damn stuff. It's one
of My finest achievements. Crap is useful. Crap is very useful. But
you're supposed to put it on your garden, not between your
ears."


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Re: [CTRL] WHAT TO DO WITH VENEZUELA’S CHAVEZ

2002-12-30 Thread Nessie SFBG
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http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2002/12/1552703.php

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Re: [CTRL] Holocaust Industry and Zionism : SF Indymedia

2002-12-23 Thread Nessie SFBG
Title: Re: [CTRL] Holocaust Industry and Zionism : SF
Indymed
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 Original
article is at http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2002/12/1552888.php. Print
comments. The following post has status hidden:

* * *

I'm part of the collective that runs SF-IMC. I'm also one of the
editors. I'm not the editor who hid this particular post, but only
because I was asleep when it happened. Otherwise, I would have hidden
it at first sight.

This article is not by Norman Finkelstein, the author of The Holocaust
Industry. It is by the notorious white-supremacist and Jew-hater
William Pierce, best known as the author of The Turner Diaries.

Except, apparently, for substituting Zionist for
Jew or Jewish, the article as posted is
identical to Pierce's:

http://www.ety.com/HRP/rev/holoshake.htm

Unfortunately, Pierce was able to use the information provided by
Finkelstein for his own racist purposes, but this is the fault of
those whose actions Finkelstein exposed, and not of Finkelstein, a
courageous anti-Zionist Jew who has suffered serious economic
retaliation for his work, including being driven out of his teaching
job at the City University of New York.

Because SF-IMC
practices open publishing, anyone can post any old thing they choose
there. It then devolves upon the editors catch crap like this when it
shows. We're all volunteers. None of us are getting paid to do this,
so we have to find time between the other demands of life. Day
jobs, families, pets, housekeeping, meetings and sleep all do
their part to keep us busy. Nevertheless, we do our level best to hide
racist propaganda as quickly as possible. Sometimes we miss a post
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We'll deal with it immediately.

We apologize
profusely that this one was not caught sooner. It is not our intention
to provide a soapbox for Nazis and their ilk. They try very hard
sometimes to exploit our hospitality. Other times, they try to simply
flood the site and make it unusable, sometimes with their own
propaganda, sometimes with pure gibberish. Occasionally, one of the
script kiddies among them even mounts a DOS attack against us. We
spend a great deal of time fighting them off. Despite the occasional
bout of tendonitis it causes, we take great pleasure in thwarting
them. To live is to fight fascism. ¡No Pasaran!

* * *

For the *real* story on Holocaust revision/reparations, click
here:

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Re: [CTRL] Land Grab

2002-12-02 Thread Nessie SFBG
Title: Re: [CTRL] Land Grab
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Sounds reasonable to me.


That's because your family doesn't
live on the land that's about to be grabbed by the Israelis.
People whose land is grabbed by Israelis live wretched, miserable
lives, and are often killed and/or have their homes destroyed, their
cars stolen, their trees uprooted, their wells destroyed and their
children shot down in the streets, sometimes for as minor an act as
banging on a drum. It's a lot like being Polish in 1940.

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Re: [CTRL] Land Grab

2002-12-02 Thread Nessie SFBG
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The poles were all too happy to go along with the Germans,



That's not true, even of the goyish Poles. It is unfair and
ahistorical to lump all Poles together. Many Poles resisted. All
suffered. While it is true that some Poles collaborated, not all
Polish collaborators were goyish. There were Jewish collaborators,
too. Some even put on uniforms and took up arms against their fellow
Jews. Judenrat: look it up. Other Jews fought back ferociously. Yet
others simply ran or hid. Same goes for their goyish countrymen.
Poles, like any nationality, are an extremely mixed bag.

To lump all Poles, all goys, all Jews or all anybody, together is
racist. It's also at odds with the facts on the ground. Life is a
*lot* more complicated. Individuals need to be judged as individuals.
Guilt by association and group punishments are wrong.

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Re: [CTRL] Coming to a Neighbourhood Near You

2002-11-26 Thread Nessie SFBG
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You
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But wait, there's
more:

http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2002/09/151862_comment.php#1545382

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Re: [CTRL] All I Want for Christmas is a Bombed-Out Dollhouse

2002-11-25 Thread Nessie SFBG
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Then there's this:

http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2002/09/151862_comment.php#1544905

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Re: [CTRL] Cashill: Iraq downed TWA Flight 800

2002-11-20 Thread Nessie SFBG
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 It is extremely convenient and thus suspect. But that does not
mean it isn't true.




It means nothing, one way or the other. Only forensic evidence has meaning.

But if you want to speculate, read this:

http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/30.html

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Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?

2002-07-31 Thread Nessie SFBG

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Show me one fact in that article that is false.

By definition, no fact is false. Really, look it up. What we are
dealing with here are unsubstantiated allegations, quite a different
thing.

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Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?

2002-07-31 Thread Nessie SFBG
Title: Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer
The
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is this an interesting and
well-written article


Just because something is
interesting and well written doesn't make it true. Nor does it make it
appropriate for this list.

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Re: [CTRL] ICTUS IMPRIMIS

2002-07-29 Thread Nessie SFBG
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The ascendancy of the West is
the story

of slavery, genocide, and ruthless
imperialism.

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Re: [CTRL] Attack

2002-07-19 Thread Nessie SFBG

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  The next terrorist attack is planned for the Golden Gate Bridge.



And you know this, how?

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Re: [CTRL] Pedophilia's Double Standard

2002-07-14 Thread Nessie SFBG
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Standard
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The prohibition
against cruelty or violence to infants is quite ancient and very
common to all cultures, so that we remember the exceptions-Sparta,
for example-very well.


Another exception:

Psalm 137
 8
 O
Babylon, you will be destroyed.
 Happy is the one who pays you back
 for what you have done to us.
 9
 Happy is
the one who takes your babies
 and smashes them against the
rocks!

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Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN

2002-07-13 Thread Nessie SFBG

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by using the few hours they do have for teaching about diversity, it
takes away from hours that could be better spent teaching about
reading,


That's absurd. Teach them about reading by having them read about
diversity. Teach critical thinking by having them discuss what they
have read.

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Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN

2002-07-13 Thread Nessie SFBG

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So-called tolerance and diversity are the best tools yet to divide
and conquer the American people.


Diversity is a fact of life. It isn't going away. We have to deal
with it. The best way to deal with it is to teach tolerance. Either
we teach tolerance or we have conflict. There is no middle ground.

Teaching tolerance is indeed socialist propaganda, but it is also
Christian propaganda. Jesus taught tolerance, not just by word, but
by deed. What are you saying here, that Jesus's teachings have no
place in public education?

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Re: [CTRL] Scientism Religious Conspiracy

2002-03-18 Thread Nessie SFBG

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  a bat is an intermediate form between a mammal and a bird.


Oh really? Says who?

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Re: [CTRL] Scientism Religious Conspiracy

2002-03-18 Thread Nessie SFBG

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  No thanks.


That's what the pope said when Galileo handed him the telescope.

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[CTRL] Stopping the Perpetual War

2001-12-06 Thread Nessie SFBG

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Stopping the Perpetual War
by B. Ness
December 6, 2001

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/nessie1.html

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