[CTRL] Antiwar Merchandise Banned by Worlpay

2003-02-24 Thread Paul Reilly 
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http://www.SmokeBush.co.uk T-shirts Banned

UK based Internet merchant facility Worldpay, confirmed today that they
would not get involved in the sale of uber-cool antiwar tshirts, even though
a significant percentage from every sale is going to Gulf War Veterans and
their families.

Worldpay's customer acceptance department sent the following
email to my good friend who is responsible for the campaign.

 After looking at the link you have provided, we have taken a look
 at the wording of the T-shirts.

 We reserve the right to decline any applications/products and feel
 this is not an area that WorldPay wishes to get involved in.

Therefore, you will not be able to add the T-Shirts onto your existing
site.

Regards,

Tracy Williams
Customer Acceptance

The T-shirts may still be ordered via paypal but we expect it's only
a matter of time before paypal executives hear about the controlversial
design.

For more details go to http://www.smokebush.co.uk

Paul

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[CTRL] Have you seen this ignorance?

2003-02-18 Thread Paul Reilly 
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Feel free to jump in and post something about this
pro-US rubbish:-

http://ablake.net/forum/index.cgi?read=103988

http://ablake.net/forum/index.cgi?read=104261

: )

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[CTRL] Do you write articles?

2002-03-13 Thread Paul Reilly 

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If the answer is yes...

You should know that thousands of publishers and editors
search the following resources daily to pic up free content
for their ezines and newsletters

If they run your article - it will reach between 200 and
20 million subscribers.

Even if your article is not published, just imagine how many
writers, editors and publishers will be forced to consider
the truth hidden behind the lies, as your latest article
lands in their in-box.

Article Announcement Lists
send a blank email then read the submission guidelines

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Article Achive Sites

http://www.authorconnection.com/
http://www.ideamarketers.com/
http://www.ezinearticles.com/
http://www.marketing-seek.com/
http://www.netterweb.com/articles/

Use this software tool to minimise the time required by
submitting articles, I use it myself to promote my
work and so do most of writers I know.

Download the ArticleAnnouncer demo here
http://www.systemsinplace.co.uk/articleannounce

: )

Paul

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Re: [CTRL] New Science

2002-01-03 Thread Paul Reilly 

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All matter polarises tachyons as they pass through it

The tachyons would normally be rotating about random
axis but become uniform due to the polarisation.

Tachyons rotating about no uniform axis are effectively
inert. only when they pass though matter of any significant
mass, do they polarise and create gravitational force
toward the mass ie gravity.

If matter is then rotated about common axis and
the vector sum of the new force due to the tachyon
re-polarisation *exceeds* the gravitational force.

This new force would be known as anti-gravity.

Remember as a child trying to turn the handlebars on
your bicycle with the front wheel still turning.

The apparent weightlessness of a spinning gyroscope,
is due to effects of repolarisation of the already
polarised tachyons that cause earths gravity.

This is also the reason for the raised saucer shape of early
graviton driven ET craft.

I assume these craft have complex gyroscopic mechanisms
in which rotating electro-magnetic flywheels are driven by
coils which drive a further flywheels of a given mass  density
the axis of which will be offset by variable amounts enabling
the new offset vector force to be directionable.

Inside this flywheel would then, I assume, sit an additional
flywheel and so on.

A complex gyroscopic design would be nessessary to keep
the forces balanced and enable any kind of controlled manouver

or something like that

Would anyone like to add to this, I always get confused
when I mix rotational dynamics with electro-magnetics?

: )

Paul










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 Question: If you spin the nucleus of certain atoms on a common axis and in
 the same direction, is it possible to create an antigravity force? Is the
black
 hole radiation at the axis of revolution a clue? Any answers out there or
just,
 ...silence

 Steve


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[CTRL] experienced alien contact?

2002-01-03 Thread Paul Reilly 

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Just out of curiosity I'd like to know if you've had a close
encounter.

I don't just mean a sighting either, I'm particularly interested
if you recall an abduction, if you're homes have been invaded
either as an adult or child, if you had an imaginary friend. Or
a telepathic experience that may have lead to you discovering
your greater perpose. (ie mission from God)

Please don't be shyI won't laugh.

and I 'd love to hear your story.

: )

Paul

P.S. Here's a song I wrote 6 years ago, you might relate
to it  : )

http://www.endcrew.co.uk/mp3/paulzigzag/earl.mp3

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Re: [CTRL] New Science

2002-01-03 Thread Paul Reilly 

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I recieved this information from an alien

: )

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 Mr. Reilly,


  All matter polarises tachyons as they pass through it
 

Where are you getting your information on tachyons from?  Just curious.


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[CTRL] Are there any web masters here?

2001-12-04 Thread Paul Reilly 

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just wondering, 'cos I've recently come accross a system
that yesterday sent me over 10,000 hits

here's the link
http://www.systemsinplace.co.uk/exitblaze

This will help you get your info out to the masses

: )

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Re: [CTRL] Are there any web masters here?

2001-12-04 Thread Paul Reilly 

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I know what you mean, but if used in the right place
ie. on the thankyou for your subscription/order page
it's not too bad.

It doesn't really bother me too much, only multiple
pop-up piss me off or timed pop-ups that create
a pop-up loop.

Regardless, It looks set to generate 16,000 hits today
5,500 more than yesterday and it's growing exponentially.

The browsing experience isn't harmed because only rarely
will it pop.

: )

Paul



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 And also annoys you with the average home user.  I hate pop
 under ads, and try to stay away from websites that use them.
 I consider this to be an annoying and underhanded marketing
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 My two cents anyways. . .


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  just wondering, 'cos I've recently come accross a system
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  here's the link
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Re: [CTRL] Are we being watched?

2001-12-01 Thread Paul Reilly 

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What's the .dll called?

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 There was a .dll file on my computer that recorded every keystroke. I
deleted
 it. I feel better, but it was recording since 11/24. Are we being watched?

 Steve


 If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so
 long as I'm the dictator.
  -GW Bush during a photo-op with Congressional leaders on 12/18/2000.
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Re: [CTRL] GLOBAL MIND CONTROL SLATED FOR HUMANITY BY 2004

2001-11-12 Thread Paul Reilly 

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 There is no known technological defense against this invasion and there
will
 be no place to hide. This technology will block your higher sensory
abilities
 which will serve to limit your human potential. The blockage of human
 intuition or your gut instinct will be just one of many natural
abilities
 which will be impeded. Another will be your ability to commune with your
 Higher Self or God, systematically cutting you off from your God Source.


There will be no musicians or poets - revelations

I'd wondered about this prediction in revelations but wasn't sure how it
would
be implemented - this would be a plausable method.

... curious

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[CTRL] Your security...the tip of the iceberg

2001-10-18 Thread Paul Reilly 

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I used this software the other day for the first time,
and was amazed just how easy it is to access my personal
information.

If you're worried about data privacy in the future,
you should take a look at the state of data security
today.  : (

http://www.endcrew.co.uk/cyberdetective/

: )

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[CTRL] Terror Hackers get hammered

2001-10-05 Thread Paul Reilly 

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Hackers branded as terrorists
http://c.moreover.com/click/here.pl?e25153969e=14288
BBC
 The new Anti-Terrorism Act adds computer hacking to
 the list of federal terrorism offences. Those found
 guilty could now face up to life in prison. Is that
 the right response to the recent terrorist attacks?

: )

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[CTRL] Get paid to forward under the radar articles

2001-10-04 Thread Paul Reilly 

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Calling all CTRL'ers

Let the battle commenceMeme warfare

If you experience any technical preoblems please email
me to let me know...

Other than that, fingers crossed for phase 1.

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Peace

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PS... Don't forget to copy and paste the sig file too

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Re: [CTRL] Amazon book recommendations needed

2001-09-20 Thread Paul Reilly 

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Thanks for your help

: )

Paul Reilly

Editor - The Viral Marketing E-Zine
http://www.systemsinplace.co.uk/e-zine.html

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 Of course to cover media mind control (mind control in
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 would always recommend my
 favorite:

 David Icke - Children of the Matrix, The Biggest
 Secret, and ...And the
 Truth Shall Set You Free.

 All 3 put together make a great foundation, in which
 you can then trace all
 the references from there.



 chad steingraber
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 paradigm/infogrames
 playstation2 - xbox - gamecube


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 Can anyone recommend any books available from Amazon,

 one the following topics

 Media Mind Control
 New World Order
 Weapons of mass distruction
 Mid-Eastern History
 Bin Laden  CIA

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Re: [CTRL] Amazon book recommendations needed

2001-09-20 Thread Paul Reilly 

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Thanks for all your help, now, I need reviews of the following
books, as I don't have time to read them all right now.

Feel free to add any other reviews and books you feel
appropriate.

: )

Paul


David Icke -

Children of the Matrix
The Biggest Secret
...And the Truth Shall Set You Free


Noam Chomsky -

New World Order: Fateful Triangle


Wilson Bryan Key's -

The Age of Manipulation: The Con in confidence, the Sin in
Sincere


Jim Keith's -

Mass Control: Engineering Human Consciousness

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Re: [CTRL] ctrl.org hacked!!!!! Comentaries on recent events wiped clean.

2001-09-19 Thread Paul Reilly 

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Which files exactly?

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 Last night while I was sleeping my recent commentaries
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 were replaced with
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 was started at 3.20 am and and by 3:21 all five files
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 A question is who and why?

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Re: [CTRL] 17 Techniques For Truth Suppression

2001-09-19 Thread Paul Reilly 

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you forgot number 18 hire a stooge to run the media   ; )


Look what's just happened here in the UK, coincidence, I think
not!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/tv_and_radio/newsi
d_1553000/1553075.stm
http://www.thisislondon.com/dynamic/news/story.html?in_review_id=
451500in_review_text_id=401725
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/tv_and_radio/newsi
d_1552000/1552750.stm

Also. may I republish this article: 17 Techniques For Truth
Suppression

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Re: [CTRL] 17 Techniques For Truth Suppression

2001-09-19 Thread Paul Reilly 

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that'll do for me  : )

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 --- Paul Reilly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  Also. may I republish this article: 17 Techniques For Truth
  Suppression

 You might as well; everyone else has been republishing
 it for the past
 2 and a half years or so since I first read it. I went
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 remember), typed 17 Techniques For Truth Suppresson
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[CTRL] Amazon book recommendations needed

2001-09-19 Thread Paul Reilly 

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Can anyone recommend any books available from Amazon,

one the following topics

Media Mind Control
New World Order
Weapons of mass distruction
Mid-Eastern History
Bin Laden  CIA

: )

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Re: [CTRL] peace petition

2001-09-19 Thread Paul Reilly 



Hey 
Foxter, what City do you live in?

  -Original Message-From: Conspiracy Theory Research 
  List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of foxterSent: 
  20 September 2001 04:03To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: 
  Re: [CTRL] peace petition
  
  
  Whis is this that 
  darkens the doorstep of the CTRL with such trash?
  
  NO WAY I would sign 
  this. I am more concerned with "no" assignment of responsibility, as the 
  NWO crowd would like to see, than with a "hasty"such assignment, 
  particularysince they appear to haveample proofit was Bin 
  Laden's group.
  
  Name a leader who 
  is not "remaining calm".
  Name a leader who 
  is "rashly attempting to exact swift revenge". What rhetoric, make it 
  sound like our leaders are manic depressives and/or schizos. It shows no 
  faith in them, and I have to wonder why that is. America, love it or 
  leave it.
  
  Also, this writer 
  seems fearful of America standing up and exercising teh courage of her 
  convictions (eg, we will not let over 5,000 innocent civilians be murdered, 
  etc.) - fearful that doing so will bring upon us some bad vibes or spirits 
  from other countries. That isCOWARDICE if not lack of 
  integrity.
  
  I ask: what 
  more does one need as "clear evidence of the identities of those 
  responsible"? Isn'tAfghanistan's recalcitrance and Pakistan's 
  trembling enough?
  
  Alll 
  thoseinterested in"peace", in the Middle East or elsewhere, at 
  most any price, should takecourses in reality.
  
  
  
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From: 
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Subject: Re: [CTRL] peace 
petition
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Lector-Dear list,This is fyi. If you feel safe doing this, 
please cut and paste the part belowand send to those that might be 
interested. Thanks.Sincerely, NeilDear 
friends,This is an appeal to the leaders of our country to let 
sanity prevail.We are all grief-stricken by the appalling, 
inhuman events ofSeptember 11. However, in the terrible 
aftermath of these events, wemust plead with our leaders to 
remain calm and not rashly attempt to exactswift revenge. This 
email is intended to serve as a petition to ourpresident and 
members of Congress. We wish them toknow that not all 
Americans desire swift retribution in the absenceof clear evidence 
of the identities of those responsible for this 
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And pleasecontact your Congressional legislators by telephone, letter, 
and email.We must promptly alert our leaders of this urgent 
matter.Dear President Bush,We are deeply saddened by the 
events of September 11. A grievous atrocityhas been 
committed against the people of the United States. We keenly 
feelthe nation's loss, and desire that justice be 
done.However, we are concerned that hasty assignment of 
responsibility could leadto actions that might undermine the 
United States' pursuit of justice. Wefear that hasty action 
could heighten the anti-American sentiment that ledto this 
tragedy. We trust that thorough investigation of these events 
andcooperation with the international community will lead to 
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Re: [CTRL] Amazon book recommendations needed

2001-09-19 Thread Paul Reilly 

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Thanks.

I'm on my way there now.

If anyone else can add to this list please do

: )

Paul

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 -Caveat Lector-

 A must reading and most important primer on media mind
 control, is Wilson
 Bryan Key's: The Age of Manipulation: The Con in
 confidence, the Sin in
 Sincere - 93. Also, of course, consult the late Jim
 Keith's Mass Control:
 Engineering Human Consciousness - 99. These are both
 available from Amazon
 and there are a number of other works, as well. Also,
 check out the number of
 excellent interviews with a number of researchers on
 this topic in Jeff
 Rense's archives. Thumb through the lists, back a
 number of years.
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Re: [CTRL] September 11...(5)

2001-09-18 Thread Paul Reilly 

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After the collapse of the soviet union, weapons grade plutonium,
was reported to be less heavily guarded than potatoes.

There have also already being reports the Bin Laden's
organisation
has as many as 20 tactical nuclear devices.

I personally believe anyone who has the balls to attack the US
must have a plan to counter the counter attack.

and I wouldn't be surprised if the nukes are already in place
ready to blow!

Paul Reilly

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 Don Capps wrote:
 
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  From: Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
   That would be very. Tunnels and caves would be a
 relatively good
  way to
  avoid radiation, and radiation would contaminate the
 environment and
  lead to
  further escalation including possible nuclear war.
 
  Oh brother. Here we go. Possible nuclear war with
 just WHO Steve???
  A bunch
  of Afghani herdsmen with AK-47's? Please. Granted,
 great guerilla
  fighters
  they may be. But nuclear capability? C'mon. That's a
 stretch, even
  by the
  incredibly credulous standards of the CTRL!


 You need to have a holistic viewpoint when it comes to
 nukes, Don.
 Have you seen the weather patterns around Afghanistan?
  Do you think
 Russia and China would appreciate fallout settling on
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Re: [CTRL] nukes

2001-09-18 Thread Paul Reilly 

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Bin Laden is reported to have as many as 20 tactical nuclear
weapons.

Consider this...

20 low-yield nukes go off in major cities around the world.

After seeing what effect a the crashed jets had on the
west - imagine what would happen to civilisation.

Now imagine we're in luck, only 6 are detonated as intel
intercepts the other 14 devices.

effected by the nuclear devices are:

NYC
Washington
London
Paris
Tokyo
Brussels

Don't forget that these terrorists don't fear escalation...
this is a holy war in the name of Alah.

10 KTs might be low yield, but who's gonna go back to work
when half the city's being evapourated.

Total panic ensues followed by almost instant and absolute
economic meltdown.

US respond with  nuclear weapons, what good does that
do, the game is already over.

Paul







  Or how about one of those misnamed suitcase nukes?
 OK. Let's consider
 that scenario. Suitcase nuke goes off in a major US
 city, doing massive
 damage, albeit in an extrememly limited area (approx.
 1 mile radius).
 Fallout is minimal precisely because the weapons are
 low yield. US reaction?
 The entire Arab world gets lit up like a Christmas
 tree. Now THAT'S what I
 call escalation!

 From: radtimes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  In 1997, the public became aware of a Russian
 nuclear device they had not
 known even existed--the so-called suitcase bomb. These
 devices were made for
 the Soviet KGB. One of these bombs had an explosive
 charge of one kiloton,
 equivalent to one thousand tons of TNT. If a device
 like this made its way
 to the U.S. it could destroy everything within a
 half-mile radius of the
 Capitol in Washington, D.C.

 Thank you for backing me up.

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Re: [CTRL] nukes

2001-09-18 Thread Paul Reilly 

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  US respond with  nuclear weapons, what good does that

 do, the game is already over. 

 So, whats the answer?


Meme warfare - as Chris Case so eloquently put it
on another list.

We need to create an idea virus that spreads
exponentially throughout the english speeking free
world using the internet populus as it's carrier.

To remain persistant, I believe a blend of capitalist
greed and the human desire for self-preservation would
provide the best fuel, the message for peace would
simply be a bi-product.

I've already got the cooperation of a many people
from another list, and the meme I propose to launch
should be compete by the weekend.

For more information take a look at Seth Godins
Unleashing the Idea Virus
http://www.ideavirus.com

I've subscribed to this list to research content for
the viral ebook that I'm currently putting together
along with the help of group of individuals who share
my optimism for the success of this action.

If you would like to help out in the development or
perpetuation of this meme, mail me privately
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=meme

There's still a lot of stuff needs doing before it
can go live.

Any volunteers?

Especially..

1) ASP programmer
2) Middle Eastern history expert
3) US History history expert

: )

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Re: [CTRL] nukes

2001-09-18 Thread Paul Reilly 

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  Bin Laden is reported to have as many as 20 tactical
 nuclear weapons.

 Rumored Paul. There have been no concrete reports of this.

I dont believe anyone would say balls to the US like they
did on the 11th without nuclear back up to deal with the
response.


 And I never said it would not be a very grim situation
 should such things
 occur. I would say that the likelihood of it is quite
 small...but it does
 fall within the realm of possibility if not
 probability. Therefore we have
 to address it as one of a number of possible outcomes.

I disagree, I honestly believe the likelyhood is quite high.

 Nonetheless, I can
 also assure you that whatever else might transpire as
 a result, such an act
 would spell the absolute END of the entire Arab world.

Exactly, sending them all to martyrdom.

 The Western nations,
 for right or wrong, better or worse, would obliterate
 them completely and
 finally.

Understood, but by now 6 major capital cities had been
nuked..based on this scenario.


 Your defeatist mentality is overwhelming. Aren't you
 overlooking the
 strength and resolve of the human spirit in the face
 of overwhelming tragedy? We've seen nations come to the brink
of
 Armageddon before

Never with this kind of destructive power in the hands of
religious extremists

 But it would only destroy Western Civilization if WE
 allowed it to. The nuclear destruction alone would not
 be sufficient. It
 would have to come from the destruction and
 resignation of the human spirit.

If Bush attacks ANY muslim country we're all in the shit

I personally don't think Bin Laden is responsible, for the
attack, Bush should maybe appologise and they should shake hands.

Incidentally what country are you from?

Paul Reilly

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Re: [CTRL] Marrs- Follow The Money...

2001-09-18 Thread Paul Reilly 



Now 
thats more like it...

Much 
more believable than anything else I've heard.

: 
)

Paul

  -Original Message-From: Conspiracy Theory Research 
  List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of William 
  ShannonSent: 19 September 2001 01:18To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [CTRL] Marrs- Follow The 
  Money...http://www.rense.com/general13/moom.htm 
  Follow The Money!! - New Pipeline To Tap The Caspian 
  Sea Gas Bonanza From Jim Marrs [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9-18-1 
  "The 48-inch diameter pipeline will extend 790 miles (1,271 
  kilometers) from the Afghanistan-Turkmenistan border, generally follow the 
  Herat-to-Kandahar Road THROUGH AFGHANISTAN (emphasis added -ed), cross the 
  Pakistan border in the vicinity of Quetta, and terminate in Multan, Pakistan, 
  where it will tie into an existing pipeline system." Hi Jeff, 
  They say follow the money. Well, here's the money trail. 
  Everyone from Hitler on down has wanted the Caspian Sea oil and with 
  the fall of communism, the international bankers finally got some control over 
  this resource. The problem is that to get this oil to the West requires a 
  pipeline that would have to go through Tajikistan, Afghanistan and Pakistan. 
  But the fundamentalist Muslim governments of this places won't play ball 
  so...they get another agent like Ho Chi Minh, in this case Osama bin-Laden, 
  who was funded and encouraged by our CIA to fight the Russians in Afghanistan, 
  to be the Bugagoo, either by instigation or merely by allowing his attacks. 
  Then, in the ensuing unthinking surge of patriotism, either US troops or a UN 
  coalition moves into the area to wipe out the "terrorists" and install 
  "democratically aligned" governments and, bingo, the obstacles to the Central 
  Asia Pipeline disappear and the profit line is increased at only the cost of 
  several thousand human lives, unfortunate but necessary in this age of 
  overpopulation. It's a grander replay of the Gulf War but it's still about 
  oil, a commodity dear to the heart of the Bush family. Consortium 
  Formed To Build Central Asia Gas Pipeline October 27, 1997 
  ASHGABAT, Turkmenistan, - Six international companies and the 
  Government of Turkmenistan formed Central Asia Gas Pipeline, Ltd. (CentGas) in 
  formal signing ceremonies here Saturday. The group is developing a project to 
  build a 790-mile (1,271-kilometer) pipeline to link Turkmenistan's abundant 
  proven natural gas reserves with growing markets in Pakistan. The group is 
  also considering an extension of the line to the New Delhi area in India. 
  "This is a truly significant step in the development of this project," 
  said John F. Imle, Jr., president of Unocal Corporation . Unocal was appointed 
  by the Government of Turkmenistan to lead the project development activities 
  and form the gas pipeline consortium. A Unocal subsidiary will serve as 
  development manager for CentGas. "The interest shown by major international 
  companies underscores both the attractiveness of the proposed pipeline and the 
  significant economic benefits it can bring to the region. This project could 
  be the foundation for a new commerce corridor for the region -- often referred 
  to as the Silk Road for the 21st century. The CentGas consortium will 
  initially include the following companies, either directly or through 
  affiliates: Unocal Corporation, 46.5 percent; Delta Oil Company Limited (Saudi 
  Arabia), 15 percent; the Government of Turkmenistan, 7 percent; Indonesia 
  Petroleum, LTD. (INPEX) (Japan), 6.5 percent; ITOCHU Oil Exploration Co., Ltd. 
  (CIECO) (Japan), 6.5 percent; Hyundai Engineering  Construction Co., Ltd. 
  (Korea), 5 percent; and the Crescent Group (Pakistan), 3.5 percent. RAO 
  Gazprom (Russia) has indicated an interest in signing the consortium 
  agreements formalizing a 10 percent share in the project in the near future. 
  The proposed pipeline will carry natural gas from the Dauletabad 
  Field, in southeastern Turkmenistan at a rate of up to 2 billion cubic feet 
  per day (20 billion cubic meters per year). The Dauletabad Field has 
  independently certified reserves of more then 25 trillion cubic feet (708 
  billion cubic meters). The Government of Turkmenistan has guaranteed 
  deliverability of 25 trillion cubic feet (708 billion cubic meters) of natural 
  gas exclusively for the Central Asia Gas Pipeline. Much or all of this gas is 
  expected to come from the Dauletabad Field. The inaugural memorandum 
  of understanding between the governments of Turkmenistan and Pakistan for the 
  CentGas project was signed in March 1995. "The formation of the 
  consortium is another major milestone achieved in accordance with the 
  requirements of protocols and agreements previously signed with the 
  Governments of Turkmenistan and Pakistan," said Marty Miller, Unocal 
  Corporation vice president responsible for new ventures in Central Asia and 
  Pakistan. Miller pointed out that

Re: [CTRL] Marrs- Follow The Money...

2001-09-18 Thread Paul Reilly 



Are 
there any books that anyone knows of that support this 
theory?

  -Original Message-From: Conspiracy Theory Research 
  List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paul 
  ReillySent: 19 September 2001 01:19To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [CTRL] Marrs- Follow The 
  Money...
  Now 
  thats more like it...
  
  Much 
  more believable than anything else I've heard.
  
  : 
  )
  
  Paul
  
-Original Message-From: Conspiracy Theory Research 
List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of William 
ShannonSent: 19 September 2001 01:18To: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [CTRL] Marrs- Follow The 
Money...http://www.rense.com/general13/moom.htm 
Follow The Money!! - New Pipeline To Tap The Caspian 
Sea Gas Bonanza From Jim Marrs [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9-18-1 
"The 48-inch diameter pipeline will extend 790 miles (1,271 
kilometers) from the Afghanistan-Turkmenistan border, generally follow the 
Herat-to-Kandahar Road THROUGH AFGHANISTAN (emphasis added -ed), cross the 
Pakistan border in the vicinity of Quetta, and terminate in Multan, 
Pakistan, where it will tie into an existing pipeline system." Hi 
Jeff, They say follow the money. Well, here's the money trail. 
Everyone from Hitler on down has wanted the Caspian Sea oil and with 
the fall of communism, the international bankers finally got some control 
over this resource. The problem is that to get this oil to the West requires 
a pipeline that would have to go through Tajikistan, Afghanistan and 
Pakistan. But the fundamentalist Muslim governments of this places won't 
play ball so...they get another agent like Ho Chi Minh, in this case Osama 
bin-Laden, who was funded and encouraged by our CIA to fight the Russians in 
Afghanistan, to be the Bugagoo, either by instigation or merely by allowing 
his attacks. Then, in the ensuing unthinking surge of patriotism, either US 
troops or a UN coalition moves into the area to wipe out the "terrorists" 
and install "democratically aligned" governments and, bingo, the obstacles 
to the Central Asia Pipeline disappear and the profit line is increased at 
only the cost of several thousand human lives, unfortunate but necessary in 
this age of overpopulation. It's a grander replay of the Gulf War but it's 
still about oil, a commodity dear to the heart of the Bush family. 
Consortium Formed To Build Central Asia Gas Pipeline October 
27, 1997 ASHGABAT, Turkmenistan, - Six international companies 
and the Government of Turkmenistan formed Central Asia Gas Pipeline, Ltd. 
(CentGas) in formal signing ceremonies here Saturday. The group is 
developing a project to build a 790-mile (1,271-kilometer) pipeline to link 
Turkmenistan's abundant proven natural gas reserves with growing markets in 
Pakistan. The group is also considering an extension of the line to the New 
Delhi area in India. "This is a truly significant step in the 
development of this project," said John F. Imle, Jr., president of Unocal 
Corporation . Unocal was appointed by the Government of Turkmenistan to lead 
the project development activities and form the gas pipeline consortium. A 
Unocal subsidiary will serve as development manager for CentGas. "The 
interest shown by major international companies underscores both the 
attractiveness of the proposed pipeline and the significant economic 
benefits it can bring to the region. This project could be the foundation 
for a new commerce corridor for the region -- often referred to as the Silk 
Road for the 21st century. The CentGas consortium will initially 
include the following companies, either directly or through affiliates: 
Unocal Corporation, 46.5 percent; Delta Oil Company Limited (Saudi Arabia), 
15 percent; the Government of Turkmenistan, 7 percent; Indonesia Petroleum, 
LTD. (INPEX) (Japan), 6.5 percent; ITOCHU Oil Exploration Co., Ltd. (CIECO) 
(Japan), 6.5 percent; Hyundai Engineering  Construction Co., Ltd. 
(Korea), 5 percent; and the Crescent Group (Pakistan), 3.5 percent. RAO 
Gazprom (Russia) has indicated an interest in signing the consortium 
agreements formalizing a 10 percent share in the project in the near future. 
The proposed pipeline will carry natural gas from the Dauletabad 
Field, in southeastern Turkmenistan at a rate of up to 2 billion cubic feet 
per day (20 billion cubic meters per year). The Dauletabad Field has 
independently certified reserves of more then 25 trillion cubic feet (708 
billion cubic meters). The Government of Turkmenistan has guaranteed 
deliverability of 25 trillion cubic feet (708 billion cubic meters) of 
natural gas exclusively for the Central Asia Gas Pipeline. Much or all of 
this gas is expected to come from the Dauletabad Field. The 
inaugural memorandum of understanding between the