Re: [CTRL] Background checks stopped more than 200,000 gun buys lastyear
No, I would not say that it is workingThese are basic stats, in black and white...These would reflect all rejections for no matter what reason. You could have an unpaid parking ticket and get kicked out and not be able to purchase if that is what your local authorities decide to look at. Some years back a girl I know wanted to purchase a handgun and was rejected, and was told that she was being looked for also, to her shock. What had happened was that there was another girl with the same name running around that they were looking for and they(the authorities) thought it was her trying to buy a gun. The girl then had to take her DL, birth certificate and some other forms of ID and go to the sheriffs office to get it all straightened out(massive red tape) before she was allowed to purchase. Thats one case, and another is just as simpleA local gun dealer that lives behind me went to sale a gun to someone he already new or was related to and was told to send that person immediately to them that he had some business he had to get straight, that is, he was rejected, and had to see the authorities...story isunpaid tickets...so he was refused the right to by a gun like a criminal just because he had not paid his ticket yet. So I would think that there are a lot of cases just like these out there but your anti-gun crowd will cheer on these stats as gun control working at its bestYou have to go a little deeper to get to the root cause of all these rejections, to see just what it was rejected for before grading the scores..its an uphill battle my friendsRock4Life A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] GUN SALES HALTED IN U.S.!
Thought that I would make a comment on this, that it is true( I just called my local dealer) for those that have to go through the NICS checkbut those of us that have a concealed carry permit( As I do) that was granted a good while back, we can still purchase because we do not have to be checked with it. The dealer told me it would probably be back on line by tom. afternoon, but as you say, this would stop a whole lot of people from being able to purchase when they wanted to which is a main point. We all are already filed in a database somewhere and the CCP just puts us up a notch higher on the list. But living close to New Orleans, I'd rather have the CCP than not A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [Fwd: Smith Wesson Sell-out: Boycott!]
GOA Announces Boycott of Clinton Wesson -- Sell-out worse than originally reported Gun Owners of America E-Mail/FAX Alert 8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151 Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408 http://www.gunowners.org (Tuesday, March 21, 2000) -- Last week's "agreement" between Smith Wesson and the Clinton Administration will undoubtedly be remembered as one of the most regretful episodes in the modern Right to Keep and Bear Arms movement. The firearms manufacturer's lamentable decision to "settle" with the most anti-gun Administration in history cannot go without a pointed response by all those who seriously cherish and believe in the God-given right of individual self defense. The so-called settlement between Smith Wesson and the Departments of Treasury, Housing and Urban Development (HUD) and local and state governments is more a nationalization of the British-owned firm which now, for the sake of accuracy, should be renamed the "The Clinton Wesson Corporation." (More on this in just a moment.) The Clinton Administration has achieved nearly every outrageous demand in its original lawsuit without having to prove its case in a court of law. This sellout agreement creates an "Oversight Commission" that will include four government officials (one from the BATF) and a Smith Wesson executive. The Clinton Wesson commission will have the power of law to enforce gun control upon any gun dealer that sells SW products and upon any gun owner that buys from such a dealer!!! This is European fascism at its best, and is much more draconian than what has been reported in the media. Consider just some of the highlights: Restrictions On Individual Gun Owners * Gun rationing: Any gun dealer that carries SW products can NOT sell you two handguns on the same day... or during the same week!!! (No more than one handgun during a 14-day period.) So let's get this straight: a total gun ban in England has neither stopped 3 million illegal guns from getting into criminal hands nor stopped their crime rate from exceeding ours. But somehow gun rationing here is going to keep criminals from getting guns. * Mandatory gun owner registration: A SW dealer will not be able to sell any of his guns at a gun show unless ALL of the sales at the show -- including private sales -- are run through a registration background check. Why does the Clinton administration want to know who every gun buyer is? * Mandatory training requirements: You will not be able to buy a gun from a SW dealer unless you have put your rights on hold for however long it takes to complete a certified training course. Hopefully, someone you know will never try to buy their first gun to protect themselves from a stalker or abusive spouse. Because now, dealers carrying SW products cannot sell that person a self-defense gun until that person jumps through the Clinton Wesson hoops. Restrictions On Gun Dealers * Mandatory employee training. This would require all employees of dealers and distributors to attend mandatory ATF approved training. Thus, dealers who have had a business for 20 years will now need to send their employees to the federal government for indoctrination. * Dealer entrapment. The agreement requires persons under 18 to be accompanied by adults either in gun stores covered by this agreement or in the gun sections of those stores. So the next time Wal-Mart lets those pesky 17-year-olds walk near the gun section of its store, look out! An ATF agent may jump out from behind the camo rack and bust the employees for not carding the juveniles and keeping them out. * BATF harassment provision. This agreement gives the new Oversight Commission (including its BATF representative) unfettered access into gun dealers' stores -- more so than is currently allowed by federal law. Any time it wants, the BATF can reach its dirty hand into the dealer's records and gain "access to documents necessary to determine compliance." According to the official summary found on HUD's website, this agreement is "enforceable as a court order and as a contract." You may have heard on the news about some of the "anti-safety" devices that SW has agreed to include on their weapons -- trigger locks, smart gun technology, etc. These are anti-safety devices that will cost innocent lives if they are imposed upon the public. After all, if they truly were safety devices, then why does the Clinton and Wesson agreement exempt law enforcement and the military from having these items on their guns? For these reasons and more, Gun Owners of America is urging its near quarter of a million members and all those committed to a NO COMPROMISE position in regard to the Second Amendment to disassociate themselves from the firearms manufacturer and BOYCOTT all Smith Wesson products. This is a serious and dramatic step and one which we had never envisioned taking. We are aware of the "extortionary" pressure that
[CTRL] coincidence or not
-Caveat Lector- Well another day, another shootingthis time in Washington statereported on cnnhn.the web is being woven, ever so surely DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Y2K: The Coming Storm
-Caveat Lector- Hello all, since I don't research that much and have posted very little I am wondering if any of the members here could answer a question for me. I happen to see an interesting program on the INSP network tonite and the topic was "Y2K: The Coming Storm". It told a lot of what has already been posted on here and showed a couple of clips of Clinton speaking to a group about the y2k bug that I have never seen on the national news. It also advertised three different books on the subject and that is what I would like to know if they are any good and worth reading. The names of the books are: Planet Earth, The Final Chapter by Hal LindseyJan. 1, 2000, The Day The World Shuts Down by Morris Cerrullo...and the 3. The Millenium Meltdown by Grant R. Jeffrey. I would like to have some opinions on these to know if they are worth buying..Rock DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] We are at war
-Caveat Lector- Yep, just in time to delay the vote on impeachment. But of course they say that was not intended for that purpose, but look at all the other so called stories they have come up with...he'll try to stay in office at all costs no matter what has to be done...Rock Hilary Thomas wrote: -Caveat Lector- For those of you who aren't listening to the news, we are at war again. Bombing of Iraq began about 2 hours ago. I've been watching for the past 2 hours. Hilary Together We Create Heaven on Earth [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Come join exploration - a discussion list dedicated to keeping up-to-date on new technologies, advancements in medicine, environmental concerns, 'conspiracy theories' and, of course, UFO stuff. Discussion is encouraged. Bashing and soapboxing will get you bounced off the list. To subscribe to exploration go to: http:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List Moderator: Hilary A. Thomas DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [Fwd: Brady Abuses]
Brady Gun Control Shows its Ugly Face -- GOA needs your horror stories by Larry Pratt Executive Director, Gun Owners of America 8001 Forbes Place Suite 102 Springfield, VA 22151 703-321-8585 http://www.gunowners.org (Friday, December 11, 1998)-- It is no understatement to say that the first week for the National Instant Background Check was a huge flop. Despite five years to prepare for the November 30 deadline, the administration and the FBI simply weren't ready. Delays, delays, and more delays marked the first few days under Part II of the Brady law. If one were cynical, one might be tempted to think that the delays were intentional. Nationwide, customers have left gun stores in disgust without purchasing their intended firearms. And in some cases, gun dealers have even been stuck with special orders that they have purchased, but couldn't transfer when endless delays caused the gun buyers to give up. What to do when the "trains don't run on time" . . . Unfortunately, the answer in some sectors of the pro-gun movement has been to work towards making the "trains run on time." Make the Instant "Registration" Check work more efficiently, they say, so there won't be any delays and interruptions. Those of you who have been with us for a while know that we are completely opposed to this approach. We don't want these government "trains" running at all. But this stance should come as no surprise. Gun Owners of America was the only national gun lobby to oppose the Instant Registration Check in 1993, when the law first passed. And to this day, we continue to fight against this unconstitutional monstrosity with every ounce of our organizational being. Fire back with a "shotgun approach" During the last Congress, you helped us push for the repeal of the entire Brady law, including the insidious Instant Registration Check. Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) was the author of the bill to repeal this law (H.R. 2721), and he has already told us that he plans to reintroduce his bill next year. At this moment, GOA is looking at opportunities to challenge this law. The current case that has been filed in the federal courts is a good first step. But GOA wants to challenge the ENTIRE background check system, not just the part about illegally registering gun owners (as bad as that is). GOA needs your help. We need to hear about some of the horror stories that you are enduring. We've already received some. But we need to get some more. First, let me tell you what I'm NOT asking for. Delays. If there is one word that characterizes the Instant Registration system right now, it is the word "delay." The press has been replete with examples, and that's one area that is pretty much common knowledge. Additional examples are not needed to make this case. What I do need are actual examples of abuse. (I realize that delays-- if intentionally caused-- can be a form of abuse. But one needs evidence to prove the delays were intentional.) As for examples of official abuse, some of you have already sent some pretty compelling stories: * FBI officials telling gun dealers that a buyer can only purchase one handgun in a month's period (in a state which does NOT have a one-gun-a-month law); * State officials admitting they use the background checks to deny people with unpaid traffic fines; * State officials requesting copies of the 4473 forms without any statutory authority to do so; and * FBI officials asking for gun serial numbers or for Social Security numbers before approving background checks. These are the types of incidents that will help us fight this law in Congress and in the courts. So if you have an example (even one that mirrors the above four cases), please send GOA your story, and include as much documentation as you possibly can. You can contact GOA by either snail-mail or e-mail: Gun Owners of America Attn: Brady abuses 8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102 Springfield, VA 22151 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also, please circulate this alert to any FFL's that you know. Thank you. * Did someone else forward this to you? To be certain of getting up to date information, please consider subscribing directly to the GOA E-Mail Alert Network. The service is totally free and carries no obligation. Your e-mail address remains confidential, and the volume is quite low, usually one or two messages per week. To subscribe, simply send a message (or forward this notice) to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and indicate your state of residence in either the subject or the body. To unsubscribe, reply to any alert and ask to be removed.
