Re: [CTRL] Latest attack on Jews brings a deafening silence

2002-12-05 Thread unseemlydogposture
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gald to see theres no bias on this list.

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Re: [CTRL] Latest attack on Jews brings a deafening silence

2002-12-05 Thread unseemlydogposture
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you're absolutely right, though at present it seems
difficult to object.

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 The anti-Israeli sentiment runs at about 5 to 1 on
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Re: [CTRL] Latest attack on Jews brings a deafening silence

2002-12-05 Thread unseemlydogposture
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not saying i condone acts of violnece by either side
and i certainly don't applaud anyone of any race being
blown up.

however, while both sides are clearly antagonising the
situation, israel being the more powerful in both a
military and intelligence sense should be the one to
be seen to act more responsibly.  i don't think i'm
bending history or morality with this point of view.
israel must also answer for many other actions that
could have an affect of a world-wide nature (as must
any country), yet it appears to be largely
uncooprative, secretive and aggressive.

totally aside from people being blown up left right
and centre, this is just how the situation seems to
me.



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 It's quite easy to object actually.

 Most people take an extremely one sided view of this
 issue.

 On this list the death of a Palestinian child is
 viewed as a tragedy, while
 the blowing up of Jewish children on a school bus is
 treated as a brave
 revolutionary act.

 I have many harsh things to say about Israel. I will
 not however bend facts
 and history and morality to push that agenda.


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  you're absolutely right, though at present it
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Re: [CTRL] Latest attack on Jews brings a deafening silence

2002-12-05 Thread unseemlydogposture
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 This might account for the secrecy and
 uncooperative nature.

 Israel misread the post 9/11 world, and thought
 people would finally back it
 in its war on terrorism. Almost worked out that way
 - but it didn¹t.

see your point, but even israel must make some
compromise.


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Re: [CTRL] Latest attack on Jews brings a deafening silence

2002-12-05 Thread unseemlydogposture
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 Unfortunately there are people on both sides who do
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what can we do about them?

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Re: [CTRL] FW: another idiot

2002-10-04 Thread unseemlydogposture

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absolutely amazing.  this could start a trend.

practicing for halloween.

good grief.

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Re: [CTRL] You can read this now, or you can log off and shut down and get quiet, and just remember

2002-09-11 Thread unseemlydogposture

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thanks for that.

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http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2002/09/11/notes091102.DTL

 Not Another 9/11 Column
 You can read this now, or you can log off and shut
 down and get quiet, and
 just remember

 By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist


 You do not need to read this column. You do not need
 to be reminded of
 September 11 in any such manner.

 You have permission to right this moment click this
 link or perhaps this one
 or this one and spend your valuable time elsewhere
 on the Web, sucking up
 the finer ambrosial entertainments and informational
 succor, safe in the
 knowledge you will be sufficiently pummeled by heavy
 emotional 9/11
 terrorist-infused pain throughout the day, unless
 you live under a rock in a
 cave in a deep trench on a tiny forgotten moon
 orbiting Uranus, and even
 then.

 Perhaps you should just go offline entirely, just
 shut it all down, go sit
 on the stoop or walk outside the office and stroll
 down to the park and sip
 a coffee or a fine scotch or perhaps imported
 laudanum, and remember.

 In your own way, on your own terms, remember where
 you were, what you were
 doing, what you were feeling when you observed the
 world change forever,
 when you witnessed history writ large and in dark
 gothic script, raw and
 obscene and indelible. Perhaps this is the best way.

 Remember it personally, intimately, sans smarmy
 musical accompaniment or
 prepackaged images or Tom Brokaw's melodramatic
 intonations, entirely free
 of someone with an overly pious glare extolling how
 Jesus hates terrorists
 too now let us pray but not for those other icky
 religions we don't
 understand because they are wrong and ugly and they
 dress funny.

 All overshadowed by our fearless quivering
 chickenhawk leaders, squinting
 and scowling and trying to muster some sort of
 support for their
 corporatized warmongering, droning about how we
 shall smite those evil
 evildoers even if it means creating new bomb-able
 evildoers where none
 really existed before, boom boom oil oil let us
 secretly examine your email
 and tap your phone and scan your shoes, don't you
 feel safer now.

 You have permission to keep the TV off all day. It
 is absolutely true that
 we as a nation need to commemorate, collectively, to
 unite and mark the day
 and bow our collective heads, draw strength from our
 concentrated mourning.

 But if you are like roughly 272 million other people
 in this country, it is
 very possible you do not need to see the images
 right now, or perhaps ever
 again: the falling bodies, the doomed towers
 erupting smoke like tragic
 volcanoes, the huge planes vanishing into walls of
 steel and glass like
 ghosts sailing through paper.

 Only this time with slow-motion effects and
 dirge-like TV soundtrack and the
 superimposed image of Old Glory waving in the
 background, manipulating your
 sadness synapse like a hammer on a nail.

 There, see? Even describing it casts a pallor,
 evokes all sorts of
 media-tainted responses, draws you down a prescribed
 visceral trail, when
 the best thing might be just to acknowledge the
 collective grief and then
 turn the volume way, way down and get quiet.

 This is your challenge, this is your assignment, and
 it is not at all easy.
 You must sift, you must reject, you must resist
 getting sucked into the
 sensationalistic media vortex of this day, all the
 articles and programs and
 talk shows and religious finger-pointing and awful
 commemorative plates, as
 you pick and choose your 9/11 memories very
 carefully.

 An image here, a voice there, the phone call you
 made to your loved ones
 just after. Find the few remaining untainted
 fragments of the tragedy and
 its aftermath and feel them deeply, get quiet and
 solemn in yourself and
 just think, contemplate, turn them over in your
 hands, examine closely,
 breath and feel.

 Because for many of us, it has become nearly
 impossible to avoid cynical or
 jaded feelings about 9/11, to avoid seeing how this
 epic human tragedy has
 been cast and recast and diminished and leveraged
 and regurgitated as some
 sort of zealous rabid uber-patriotic call to arms, a
 pseudo-psychological
 touchstone, an excuse to launch more war, a
 justification for a million
 smarmy melodramatic Hallmark sentiments and a
 million United We Stand bumper
 stickers and far too many new viewers for JAG.

 You have permission to completely disavow yourself
 of aggro-American
 hyperbole or false patriotic sentiment or the
 Bush/Cheney spin machine.

 You have permission to be a complete traitor by
 ignoring Dan Rather entirely
 and refusing to stick a flag on your Japanese SUV
 and by not believing the
 simplistic reductionism of Good Righteous Us vs.
 Evil Hateful Them because
 in many cases We are Them and They are Us and the
 lines that separate Us and
 Them are more like thin ideological equivocations,
 which don't.

 And finally, you have 

Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect?

2001-06-04 Thread unseemlydogposture

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can i take it a shag is out of the question?

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  Well obviously you have very limited hands-on
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 I have no experience in this area and have no desire
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  It is definitely NOT solely in xxx-rated movies
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  willingly' (actually one does NOT have to bend
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Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect?

2001-06-04 Thread unseemlydogposture

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talk about spliting hairs, arf arf.  this is getting
silly even by the 'posture's standards


--- YnrChyldzWyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  From:
Bob Stokes
  Well obviously you have very limited hands-on
 experience in this arena...
 
 I have no experience in this area and have no
 desire to have a 'backdoor'
 experience.


 We weren't talking about YOU having the experience,
 we were talking about women having the experience
 with a male partner

  It is definitely NOT solely in xxx-rated movies
 that women 'bend over
 willingly' (actually one does NOT have to bend
 over)...you have my
 condolences that this has been your personal
 experience
 
 I am not from California or the northern States
 where that sort of thing may
 be common place. I do not have a 'prison' fantasy.


 Again, who's talking about a 'prison fantasy'
 (presumably you mean same-sex?)...the post you were
 replying to stated that heterosexual women also
 participate in oral sex and anal sex and practices
 such as fisting, to which you replied that that only
 happens in XXX-rated movies.  My response is that
 indeed it is NOT limited to such movies, and I
 extend my condolences that you obviously have not
 met a women who enjoys such activities.




 June

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Re: [CTRL] Creating a market for Star Wars

2001-04-02 Thread unseemlydogposture

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the fat guy from The Dukes of Hazard?
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 -Caveat Lector-

 I have NO idea what you are talking about. What is a
 boss hog,
 deliverance from what?

 On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 21:29:18 EST William Shannon
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 writes:
  In a message dated 3/31/01 7:08:26 PM Central
 Standard Time,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  writes:
 
 
   If all the stolen/illegal/corrupted/bought votes
 be gathered up
  ALL
   ACROSS
   the country, it would be seen that Bush did NOT
 lose the popular
   vote. But the intention is to not let the truth
 be known so that
  the
   loosers can keep placating their slaves by
 saying the same lies
  for
  
 
  Did you pass the remedial english classes you were
 undoubtedly
  required to
  take in order to graduate junior high?
  You read like Boss Hogg...cue the Deliverance
 soundtrack!!!
 
  It's clear that Bush lost the popular vote...get
 over it!!
 
  Bill.

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Re: [CTRL] Scientists say cannabis can drive users insane

2001-02-02 Thread unseemlydogposture



can anyone send me the original of this message, I have 
experienced much the same thing. must have deleted it in error.

peace.

  -Original Message-From: 
  ifoxter [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 
  02 February 2001 17:44Subject: Re: [CTRL] Scientists say 
  cannabis can drive users insane
  I had alot of trouble with 
  paranoia and psychosis in the 60's when I smoked marijuana.
  I had to give it up for that 
  reason. 
  
  I don't think this is some 
  conspiracy. The problem is they haven't figured out which types of 
  people respond this way and which don't.
  
  
  
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Subject: Re: [CTRL] Scientists say 
cannabis can drive users insane
-Caveat Lector-they will keep doing studies until 
they find someone who died usingcannabis- they will wait a long time 
though. clutching at straws.these negative result studies become more 
vague as the years go on- andstill the (uk) government ignore the bigger 
positive result studies thatthey commisioned themselves.- 
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