Re: [CTRL] 'Right of first night'
-Caveat Lector- It's from the middle ages, the King and feudal lords had the right to sleep with a bride on her wedding night. It goes back to very old pagna fertility rituals, where the king was chosen for his fertility and was sacrificed after a period of I think 7 years. I believe this was in early Ireland, although it may have been common among early peoples. On Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:46:51 -0400 Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >-Caveat Lector- > >> China says Vatican's newest saints were sinners, rapists > > > >> Crescitelli "was notorious for taking the 'right of the first night' of >> each bride under his diocese," the State Administration of Religious >> Affairs said in the statement, also run by Xinhua. > >I've heard of the 'right of the first night' in association with the >British land owners in Ireland and also in association with slave owners >in the US south. Does anyone know where this 'tradition' started >(probably in the first cave inhabited by humans) or have any information >or studies related to this so-called 'right'? > >Thanks, > >Kelly > >http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org >DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER >== >CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic >screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are >sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- >directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with >major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. >That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and >always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no >credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. > >Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > >Archives Available at: >http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl > >To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: >SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: >SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Om > http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 'Right of first night'
-Caveat Lector- "Robert F. Tatman" wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > Kelly, to the best of my knowledge, this "first night" custom was a survival > from the medieval *jus primae noctis* [apologies if my Latin is bad] or "law of > the first night," under which the seigneur of the manor (usually a baron in > England) had the right to insist on sleeping with each bride on the first night > after her marriage. The assumption has always been that this also entailed > deflowering the (presumably) virgin bride, although that was probably not always > the case, especially when the seigneur was, shall we say, beyond the "virile > years." Beyond the medieval custom, which obtained universally wherever > feudalism held sway, I have no idea where it could have originated. The purpose > was obviously two-fold: first, to establish the seigneur as alpha male--"top dog > in the pack;" and second, to ensure a plentiful supply of bastards to act as > reliable officers for the seigneur without the temptations of money and power > always present for legitimate heirs. > > You can check any good social history of the Middle Ages to confirm what I've > written. > > Bob > Bob has a pretty good description here. It's also called in French "droit du seigneur", right of the lord. -- ´´ Mark McHugh Sapere aude! http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 'Right of first night'
-Caveat Lector- Kelly, to the best of my knowledge, this "first night" custom was a survival from the medieval *jus primae noctis* [apologies if my Latin is bad] or "law of the first night," under which the seigneur of the manor (usually a baron in England) had the right to insist on sleeping with each bride on the first night after her marriage. The assumption has always been that this also entailed deflowering the (presumably) virgin bride, although that was probably not always the case, especially when the seigneur was, shall we say, beyond the "virile years." Beyond the medieval custom, which obtained universally wherever feudalism held sway, I have no idea where it could have originated. The purpose was obviously two-fold: first, to establish the seigneur as alpha male--"top dog in the pack;" and second, to ensure a plentiful supply of bastards to act as reliable officers for the seigneur without the temptations of money and power always present for legitimate heirs. You can check any good social history of the Middle Ages to confirm what I've written. Bob - Original Message - From: "Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 7:46 PM Subject: [CTRL] 'Right of first night' > I've heard of the 'right of the first night' in association with the > British land owners in Ireland and also in association with slave owners > in the US south. Does anyone know where this 'tradition' started > (probably in the first cave inhabited by humans) or have any information > or studies related to this so-called 'right'? > http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] 'Right of first night'
-Caveat Lector- > China says Vatican's newest saints were sinners, rapists > Crescitelli "was notorious for taking the 'right of the first night' of > each bride under his diocese," the State Administration of Religious > Affairs said in the statement, also run by Xinhua. I've heard of the 'right of the first night' in association with the British land owners in Ireland and also in association with slave owners in the US south. Does anyone know where this 'tradition' started (probably in the first cave inhabited by humans) or have any information or studies related to this so-called 'right'? Thanks, Kelly http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
