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-Caveat Lector- just a quick note the landsdown baptist church is a satirical site Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate William of Occam NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: inri [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:28:06 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] ARMIES OF REPRESSION -Caveat Lector- Correct Answer: C. (Jesus struck them dead) But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet. But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? . . . And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. . .. . Then fell [Sapphira] straightway at [Peter's] feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband. Acts 5:1-10. The acts of the Apostles were not necessarily actions of which Christ would have approved. He certainly reproved them for things they did when he was present and leading them. Prudy the implication is that jesus, not peter, smote them dead from heaven; it probably never happened and if did then it probably *was* peter but it's still written there as if it was done by christ. christianity started off as a cult like any other today - give up all your money to The Leader in order to become one of the special ones. jesus said many things that show a tremendous amount of wisdom but also quite a few things that were almost fascistic in nature. unfortunately, it's virtually impossible to decide what he really did say and what was later attributed to him by various revisionists attempting to make people follow the rules - the greeks and romans had alterior motives and the early christians were certainly not neutral. the entire old testament is the story of an angry, vengeful god spying on people like the cia and removing them from the gene pool at the smallest insignificant faults. a large chunk of the new testament is people warning that the same god is coming back to perform mass genocide on all those that did not follow the rules. therefore breaking his promise to noah i might add.and it is capped off with a story of these events actually occurring. this is supposed to be a good thing. praise the lord! to argue that the jewish, and therefore christian and muslim, god is not a hideously vengeful fascist would be very difficult on your part and i don't suggest you try doing it.. really, take a look at those links i sent. the koran is even worse than the bible for this kind of stuff.. inri np: http://chat.carleton.ca/~jparent2/ If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator. - george w. bush A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/27/01 3:31:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the entire old testament is the story of an angry, vengeful god spying on people like the cia and removing them from the gene pool at the smallest insignificant faults. a large chunk of the new testament is people warning that the same god is coming back to perform mass genocide on all those that did not follow the rules. therefore breaking his promise to noah i might add.and it is capped off with a story of these events actually occurring. this is supposed to be a good thing. praise the lord! I know. I particularly like the stories where God warns one group that they had better follow his edicts or something bad will happen to them. Then He seems to say--if you don't believe Me then watch, and He proceeds to wipe out a neighboring settlement. See, He says, that's what I mean. I always thought it was an unusual way to teach. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/27/01 3:31:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the implication is that jesus, not peter, smote them dead from heaven; it probably never happened and if did then it probably *was* peter but it's still written there as if it was done I didn't interpret it that way, but you're right, what a story. Keep the contributors in line. The IRS kind of does it these days. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/27/01 12:34:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: or maybe you're not entirely sure just exactly what is in the new testament. For goodness sake, educate me. Please. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/27/01 12:45:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Correct Answer: C. (Jesus struck them dead) But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet. But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? . . . And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. . . . Then fell [Sapphira] straightway at [Peter's] feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband. Acts 5:1-10. The acts of the Apostles were not necessarily actions of which Christ would have approved. He certainly reproved them for things they did when he was present and leading them. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- --- inri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- 10. What did Jesus ask yourself this: how did the name yeshua become hay-zeus? how did christians go from following a rebel's words to the words of a roman aristocrat [paul]? with doublespeak... yeshua grew up in a tradition of judaism... yeshua went to india came back preaching tolerance having seen that one's path depends much on perspective yeshua was called the christ thereafter guess what many people in india call their little boys? kristo krsna messiah=anointed messiah does not = savior except in the minds of the roman memetic manipulators who are into exalting indiviudals to make god-kings out of them... the science of cult of personality... psychology the words of paul appealed to the 'civilized' mindset...so they were used by the church to induce a kind of following that was contrary to yeshua's words...for the purpose of subverting the movement...same reason that the real followers of yeshua were killed...the fish, the sign of the pacificst...pisces...is no good for a nation that exists by its ability to mandate war... same reason john lennon's 'imagine' is on the list of banned songs after 9-11 are you seeing a multi-millenial pattern here? = ~~~ http://www.infiltration.org http://www.darkpassage.com http://www.mattoledefense.org/alerts/08192001_video.html http://sf.indymedia.org/display.php?id=100562#100565 __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Correct Answer: C. (Jesus struck them dead) But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet. But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? . . . And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. . . . Then fell [Sapphira] straightway at [Peter's] feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband. Acts 5:1-10. The acts of the Apostles were not necessarily actions of which Christ would have approved. He certainly reproved them for things they did when he was present and leading them. Prudy the implication is that jesus, not peter, smote them dead from heaven; it probably never happened and if did then it probably *was* peter but it's still written there as if it was done by christ. christianity started off as a cult like any other today - give up all your money to The Leader in order to become one of the special ones. jesus said many things that show a tremendous amount of wisdom but also quite a few things that were almost fascistic in nature. unfortunately, it's virtually impossible to decide what he really did say and what was later attributed to him by various revisionists attempting to make people follow the rules - the greeks and romans had alterior motives and the early christians were certainly not neutral. the entire old testament is the story of an angry, vengeful god spying on people like the cia and removing them from the gene pool at the smallest insignificant faults. a large chunk of the new testament is people warning that the same god is coming back to perform mass genocide on all those that did not follow the rules. therefore breaking his promise to noah i might add.and it is capped off with a story of these events actually occurring. this is supposed to be a good thing. praise the lord! to argue that the jewish, and therefore christian and muslim, god is not a hideously vengeful fascist would be very difficult on your part and i don't suggest you try doing it.. really, take a look at those links i sent. the koran is even worse than the bible for this kind of stuff.. inri np: http://chat.carleton.ca/~jparent2/ If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator. - george w. bush A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/24/01 9:59:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: McMillan, a weapons specialist who served two tours of duty in Vietnam, believes that, Twenty five years later I have not changed my opinion as to the justification of the U.S. intervention in Vietnam...I assume the enemy I killed were not Christian like me. Now an then we a real cause for gratitude. Hopefully there are very few who are Christian like this individual. I've looked and looked through my New Testament, and I simply cannot find the place where Christ either killed anyone or ordered the death of anyone. Perhaps this man follows a different Christ than the one we know about. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- I've looked and looked through my New Testament, and I simply cannot find the place where Christ either killed anyone or ordered the death of anyone. Perhaps this man follows a different Christ than the one we know about. Prudy or maybe you're not entirely sure just exactly what is in the new testament. http://www.landoverbaptist.org/quizlist.html inri np: http://chat.carleton.ca/~jparent2/ If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator. - george w. bush A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- 10. What did Jesus do to those who failed to sell all their possessions and give every dime to the Lord? Correct Answer: C. (Jesus struck them dead) But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet. But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? . . . And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. . . . Then fell [Sapphira] straightway at [Peter's] feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband. Acts 5:1-10. inri np: http://chat.carleton.ca/~jparent2/ If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator. - george w. bush A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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Monday, November 26, 2001
The Bible and self-defense
By Joseph Farah
© 2001 WorldNetDaily.com
After my plea to Americans last week to buy firearms as a first step
to fighting terrorism, a number of Christians wrote challenging my
prescription as unbiblical, unscriptural and ungodly.
Wrong.
The Bible couldn't be clearer on the right even the duty we have
as believers to self-defense.
Let's start in the Old Testament.
If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there
shall no blood be shed for him, we are told in Exodus 22:2. The next
verse says, If the sun be risen upon him, there shall be blood shed
for him; for he should make full restitution; if he have nothing,
then he shall be sold for his theft.
In other words, it was perfectly OK to kill a thief breaking into
your house. That's the ultimate expression of self-defense. It
doesn't matter whether the thief is threatening your life or not. You
have the right to protect your home, your family and your property,
the Bible says.
The Israelites were expected to have their own personal weapons.
Every man would be summoned to arms when the nation confronted an
enemy. They didn't send in the Marines. The people defended
themselves.
In 1 Samuel 25:13, we read: And David said unto his men, Gird ye on
every man his sword. And they girded on every man his sword; and
David also girded on his sword: and there went up after David about
four hundred men; and two hundred abode by the stuff.
Every man had a sword and every man picked it up when it was required.
Judges 5:8 reminds us of what happens to a foolish nation that chooses to disarm:
They chose new gods; then was war in the gates: was there a shield or spear seen
among forty thousand in Israel?
The answer to the rhetorical question is clear: No. The people had rebelled against
God and put away their weapons of self-defense.
Blessed be the LORD my strength which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to
fight, David writes in Psalms 144:1.
Clearly, this is not a pacifist God we serve. It's God who teaches our hands to war
and our fingers to fight. Over and over again throughout the Old Testament, His people
are commanded to fight with the best weapons avail
able to them at that time.
And what were those weapons? Swords.
They didn't have firearms, but they had sidearms. In fact, in the New Testament, Jesus
commanded His disciples to buy them and strap them on. Don't believe me? Check it out.
Luke 22:36: Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it,
and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy
one.
I know. I know. You biblically literate skeptics are going to cite Matthew 26:52-54
how Jesus responded when Peter used his sword to cut off the ear of a servant of the
high priest: Then said Jesus unto him, Put up aga
in thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the
sword. Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give
me more than twelve legions of angels? But how then
shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?
Read those verses in context and they support my position. Jesus told Peter he would
be committing suicide to choose a fight in this situation as well as undermining
God's plan to allow Jesus' death on the cross and res
urrection.
Jesus told Peter to put his sword in its place at his side. He didn't say throw it
away. After all, He had just ordered the disciples to arm themselves. The reason for
the arms was obviously to protect the lives of the
disciples, not the life of the Son of God. What Jesus was saying was: Peter, this is
not the right time for a fight.
In the context of America's current battle as we make plans to rebuild after the
devastation of Sept. 11 and defend ourselves at the same time we should recall
Nehemiah, who rebuilt the walls of Jerusalem.
They which builded on the wall, and they that bare burdens, with those that laded,
every one with one of his hands wrought in the work, and with the other hand held a
weapon, we're told in Nehemiah 4:17-18. For the bui
lders, every one had his sword girded by his side, and so builded.
Any more questions, skeptics?
Joseph Farah is editor and chief executive officer of
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-Caveat Lector- http://www.connix.com/~harry/90s-fbi.htm ARMIES OF REPRESSION The FBI, COINTELPRO and Far-Right Vigilante Networks By Tom Burghardt, BACORR-North --- Over the years, our approach to investigative problems in the intelligence field has given rise to a number of new programs, some of which have been most revolutionary, and it can be assumed that with a continued aggressive approach to these problems, new and productive ideas will be forthcoming. These ideas will not be increased in number or improved upon from the standpoint of accomplishments merely through the institution of a program such as COINTELPRO which is given another name, and which in fact, only encompasses everything that has been done or will be done in the future. J. Edgar Hoover, FBI Director, Memorandum, July 15, 1964 [1] --- 1. COINTELPRO AND THE FAR-RIGHT: THE POLITICAL CONTEXT OF ANTI-CHOICE VIOLENCE Now that the Christian Right's anti-abortion, national cultural and holy war2 has evolved into a campaign of arson, murder and terror, mainstream feminist groups tied to the capitalist Democratic Party -- NOW, NARRAL, and The Feminist Majority Foundation -- are demanding that the FBI investigate anti-choice violence. In the wake of Rev. Paul Hill's assassination of Dr. John Bayard Britton; clinic escort, James Barrett; and the wounding of clinic escort, June Barrett, July 29 in Pensacola, FL, the drumbeat for federal intervention has reached deafening proportions. Armed U.S. Marshals, FBI agents using special investigative techniques, and police SWAT teams, however, will neither defend women seeking reproductive health care nor abortion providers; rather, such intervention will transform women's clinics into armed camps. The net result of such a massive show of firepower by the State will not guarantee women's safety at clinics. Neither will such intervention increase women's access to reproductive health care. Rather, police intervention on such a grand scale, plays into the hands of anti-choice terrorists. They believe that such displays of State power only assist their own propaganda efforts and tend to buttress their assertion that abortion is murder, and that women who control their bodies are doing something wrong. Despite U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno's statement that clinic violence, is a problem throughout the nation and that it is appropriate to address an issue of deep concern,3 two more women's clinics have been fire-bombed since Rev. Paul Hill's murderous rampage. A clinic in Falls Church, VA sustained more than $10,000 in damage, July 30, while a Planned Parenthood facility in Brainerd, Minnesota, was burned to the ground on August 10; the Minnesota facility did not perform abortions. During the same period these two clinics were attacked, a right-wing vigilante was arrested in Philadelphia outside a women's clinic; six molotov cocktails were seized from the trunk of his car. Reports of death threats against patients, doctors and health care workers since the Pensacola murders have skyrocketed. While the State is poised through the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act (the FACE law), to legitimize anti-abortion thugs who sidewalk counsel and engage in other forms of harassment against women, gangsters such as convicted clinic bomber, Rev. Michael Bray, an endorser of Hill's Defensive Action Declaration insist: Anyone who truly believes that the slaughter of innocent children is what we have with abortion could go out and shoot an abortionist.4 Similarly, other supporters of the justifiable homicide position, go further. According to the Rev. David Trosch, even pharmacists might eventually become targets. I would see no problem with shooting a pharmacist, who provided a morning after pill to women who seek to terminate their pregnancies.5 Trosch, in a July 16 letter that predicted the massive killing of abortionists and their staffs, pointedly warned that clinic defenders and reproductive rights activists will be sought out and terminated as vermin are terminated.6 Rev. Trosch and C. Roy McMillan, Executive Director of the Christian Action Group in Jackson, Mississippi, believe that clinic escorts and clinic defenders act as accomplices, and therefore, are fair game for right-wing, anti-abortion vigilantes. McMillan, a weapons specialist who served two tours of duty in Vietnam, believes that, Twenty five years later I have not changed my opinion as to the justification of the U.S. intervention in Vietnam...I assume the enemy I killed were not Christian like me.7 Today, McMillan believes that the killing of unarmed escort, James Barrett, was no more than so-called collateral damage.8 Apparently, McMillan's ideological fervor will come in handy as he, and other zealots wage cultural civil war on the home front. Recent protests in Jackson/Gulfport, Mississippi targeted Black physician,
