Re: [CTRL] An American Dictatorship: Ralph Nader's Vision for America
Hey Nessie - If Darwin Rules, then Charlton Heston was right - this is the Planet of the Apes. What a heritage..monkies hanging from garden of Eden but how does that explain the snake who crawled out on his stomach. In God We Trust - better God than Cult of Serpent? A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] An American Dictatorship: Ralph Nader's Vision for America
> >This is why the mass >murderers in the handgun and tobacco industries The handgun industry is not in the business of murder, mass or otherwise. The handgun industry is in the business of saving lives and preventing rape and robbery. http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: > >They couch their >death business in terms of personal rights, and freedom to get addicted to >the products which will kill their buyers. It's your body. You have a right to get addicted or to kill yourself if that's what you want to do. I don't advise it. In fact, I advise against it. But if I use force or the threat of force (i.e., law) to stop you from doing what you want with your own body, that's precisely and exactly the same thing as rape. http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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Nurev If capitalism continues much longer, we will become the first species to become extinct due to insanity. Bill Amen JACKson! MJ Shouldn't capitalism FIRST be implemented? You *DO* know the difference between PRIVATE and Government. Regard$, --MJ A totalitarian state thrives on propaganda, and there is no more effective way to limit thought than to control the language itself. By changing definitions of words through continual association, any serious discussion involving the concepts that the words represents becomes hopelessly muddled. The words "democracy," "hate" and "racism" immediately comes to mind. -- Thomas Sowell http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] An American Dictatorship: Ralph Nader's Vision for America
Nurev If capitalism continues much longer, we will become the first species to become extinct due to insanity. Bill Amen JACKson! MJ Shouldn't capitalism will FIRST be implemented? You *DO* know the difference between PRIVATE and Government. Regard$, --MJ A totalitarian state thrives on propaganda, and there is no more effective way to limit thought than to control the language itself. By changing definitions of words through continual association, any serious discussion involving the concepts that the words represents becomes hopelessly muddled. The words "democracy," "hate" and "racism" immediately comes to mind. -- Thomas Sowell http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] An American Dictatorship: Ralph Nader's Vision for America
In a message dated 8/15/00 8:23:54 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << If capitalism continues much longer, we will become the first species to become extinct due to insanity. >> Amen JACKson! Bill. http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] An American Dictatorship: Ralph Nader's Vision for America
8/15/00 I love these guys. They keep me in stitches. It seems that the thing they fear most is that something from which profit can be made will be given away FOR FREE! THIS society produced people like this. They are seriously DEFECTIVE. Greed has warped their natural and utterly necessary development to identify with the well being of 'the group'. This goes against human evolutionary development which has made ' the group ' the unit of human survival. Not the individual. Excessive individualism is a sick manifestation of Capitalism. The victim invents theories and reasons for valuing vague concepts of ' freedom ' and ' property ' over actual human life and survival. This is why the mass murderers in the handgun and tobacco industries are permitted to continue killing millions upon millions of their fellow citizens. The tobacco industry alone has killed more people in the last century than all the wars and dictators combined. Yet Hitler and Stalin are bad guys, while tobacco CEO's are highly paid and continue to get away with mass murder. They couch their death business in terms of personal rights, and freedom to get addicted to the products which will kill their buyers. The simple fact that businesses like these are permitted to legally exist in a supposedly civilized and caring society of religious and spiritual folks, attests to the immensely corrosive power of glorifying greed. And of course hypocrisy. Capitalism causes insanity. There is no doubt about it. The greed element in capitalism gets rewarded over and over until there is no sane judgment left. It is like a severe addiction. But if the rest of the society accepts this behavior as ok, or worse, holds it up as an ideal, then you wind up with an insanely destructive society. Like this one. One which can't stop itself from destroying its own natural resources upon which it survives. If capitalism continues much longer, we will become the first species to become extinct due to insanity. Joshua2 == In Defense of Individual Rights www.CapitalismMagazine.com An American Dictatorship: Ralph Nader's Vision for America By David Parker Green Party presidential candidate and "consumer advocate" Ralph Nader wants to "reform" America. In the past Nader has called for "free" education, advocated "free", and "universal" healthcare, and attacked corporations. Evaluating Nader's proposed "reform" of America requires a understanding the moral implications of his candidacy. Indeed, the technical details are unimportant in light of Nader's moral stance. Ralph Nader believes that everyone is entitled to free healthcare and free education. At a glance, many people think those would be great things too. "Free" healthcare and education is a sham, however, because they aren't "free" at all someone has to foot the bill. Nader would pay for these programs by imposing higher taxes on the productive members of society. According to his understanding, the wealth of upper- and middle-class families is not rightfully their own. Thus, according to Nader's ideology, those who work the hardest should be taxed and therefore punished the most, while those who do the least receive the biggest handouts. This collectivist philosophy that subordinates the individual to the "commonwealth" is morally the same one that built and destroyed the Soviet Union. Nader's promotes his ideas as "noble" and "humanitarian". When they are broken down to essentials, they amount to an annihilation of personal freedom and individual responsibility, replacing them with "social duties" and "social responsibility." Nader is most famous for his attacks on corporations and capitalism. Because of his collectivist ideas, Nader believes that the American people are just a mass of automatons being "exploited" and "manipulated" by companies such as McDonalds, Wal-Mart, Disney, and Microsoft. He does not believe that individuals choose their economic relationships with these companies. Instead, he argues that they involve some type of force or compulsion. In short, he equates the coercive power of government with the economic power of the private sector. If you think he's right, try two things. For a whole year, don't send your money to the IRS, and don't send your money to McDonald's. Don't pay your taxes and don't buy a Big Mac. See which organization the government or McDonald's comes after you with guns, threatening to put you in jail, seize your property, or even take your life, if you don't give
