Re: [CTRL] Bakers' Dozen
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-01-23 22:07:04 EST, you write: I was thinking about these guys (all men) during the proceedings and got to wondering about them almost all being from the South / Midwest (except for the guys from Utah and California) ... what does THIS mean? Does it mean anything? Does it mean that the North already controls everything since some claim that this is a "takeover" by the South. I don't think so... if Clinton is removed from office then Gore will takeover (another liberal from the South). What is wrong with having conservatives have a voice in government, liberals (socialists) have had control since WWII. In this period of time we have seen welfare grow, we now have very limited freedom because of limits put on us by thousands, maybe millions of laws. We have seen an imaginary "War on Drugs" that sucks up more money than anyone could have imagined when they passed the antidrug laws. We can have our property confiscated without due process of law, and if we are not guilty... we have to hire a lawyer at great personal expense to get that property back. We have also seen the size of government as well as the cost of taxes to support that government grow in greater proportion than the growth in population. We have also seen the large corporations pay a very disproportionately lower amount of taxes than the working person or the small businesses. We have seen the term "Democracy" being used to define our government when we were supposed to be a Republic with a limited Democracy (election of the House of Representatives). It all gets a little crazy when an owl has more rights than a man (many thousands of men as far as that goes). Right is still right and wrong is still wrong, but government has twisted the definitions through repetition and subtle forms of mind control. There surely is something wrong when I have to pay in the high five figures to get a college education, but a criminal can get a college degree for free in prison, or a woman who has a baby out of wedlock can get a two year degree and welfare for two years for free... why am I being punished for being responsible, for being straight? It gets hard to determine what is conservative and liberal. Regards, Bob Stokes "In 1931, when Brave New World was being written, I was convinced that there was still plenty of time. The completely organized society, the scientific caste system, the abolition of free will by methodical conditioning, the servitude made acceptable by regular doses of chemically induced happiness, the orthodoxies drummed in by nightly courses of sleep-teaching - these things were coming all right, but not in my time, not even in the time of my grandchildrenTwenty-seven years later,...I feel a good deal less optimistic... In the West,...individual men and women still enjoy a large measure of freedom. But...this freedom and even the desire for this freedom seem to be on the wane." Aldous Huxley Brave New World Revisited 1958 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bakers' Dozen
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/23/99 10:07:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was thinking about these guys (all men) during the proceedings and got to wondering about them almost all being from the South / Midwest (except for the guys from Utah and California) ... what does THIS mean? It means that like Dennis Hastert, the new Speaker of the House, these guys are all what the Christian Coalition calls "true conservatives." Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bakers' Dozen
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Ric Carter wrote: -Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Alamaine Ratliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was thinking about these guys (all men) during the proceedings and got to wondering about them almost all being from the South / Midwest (except for the guys from Utah and California) ... what does THIS mean? From Wash Post www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/prosecution.htm Barr | Bryant | Buyer | Canady | Cannon | Chabot | Gekas | Graham Hutchinson | Hyde | McCollum | Rogan | Sensenbrenner It means that we're still fighting the US Civil War a.k.a. the war of southern secession. It means we're engaged in a cultural civil war, with the managers representing the feudal religious dogmatics of the Old Order. It means that Clinton, dixiecrat scum though he is, at least doesn't represent the neanderthal race/gender/faith reactionaries personified by those 13. It means... whatever... It means "the yankee vs. cowboy war" (east coast elite vs. the rest of us). It means a battle between aliens, "greys" vs. "angels", with alien mind control implants already enplaced in congress's minds. It means the "evil white males" vs. the oppressed womyn and peopleofcolor. It means... whatever... DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bakers' Dozen
-Caveat Lector- Alamaine Ratliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking about these guys (all men) during the proceedings and got to wondering about them almost all being from the South / Midwest (except for the guys from Utah and California) ... what does THIS mean? Is there any way to check the Masonic status of someone? Since Bill Clinton was a Mason, from the South, I have been wondering whether this whole thing is not a trial being conducted by the Southern Jurisdiction of Freemasonry. Possibly that's an explanation for the stripes on Rehnquist's robe as well. For example, neither James A. Baker's grandfather (always referred to as "Captain" Baker), nor E.M. House (Colonel) was ever in the military and there was no explanation for their military titles. I'd love to check this out if I knew how it could be done. Linda From Wash Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/prosecution.h t m DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bakers' Dozen
-Caveat Lector- Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It means that we're still fighting the US Civil War a.k.a. the war of southern secession. It means we're engaged in a cultural civil war, with the managers representing the feudal religious dogmatics of the Old Order. It means that Clinton, dixiecrat scum though he is, at least doesn't represent the neanderthal race/gender/faith reactionaries personified by those 13. It means... whatever... from: http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/confcoup.htm Confederates Running Senate Impeachment Coup by Edward Spannaus Printed in the American Almanac, January, 1999. When Chief Justice William Rehnquist takes an oath to ``do impartial justice'' as he presides over the Senate impeachment trial of President Clinton, he will have an immediate conflict of interest--since this impeachment is the culmination of a process that Rehnquist himself set into motion over six years ago. It was Rehnquist who personally and irregularly appointed the judge who in turn made the highly-irregular appointment of Kenneth Starr in 1994 as the Whitewater independent counsel. The process by which Starr came to be appointed demonstrates further how the coup d'etat now being run against President Clinton and the United States Constitution has its treasonous roots deep in the old Confederacy. The special three-judge panel which appoints independent counsels under the so-called ``Ethics in Government Act'' is directly appointed by the Chief Justice. The panel is supposed to be composed of senior, often retired Federal judges, so observers were quite surprised when, in 1992, Rehnquist picked a relatively-inexperienced federal appeals court judge from North Carolina to head the panel. David Sentelle had only been appointed a Federal district judge in North Carolina seven years earlier, in 1985. In February 1987, Sentelle was nominated to sit on the federal appeals court for the District of Columbia circuit--a nomination which gave rise to a violent controversy over Sentelle's membership in a segregated Masonic lodge. In fact, the 1987 confirmation hearings for Sentelle were the only instance in modern times that the question of a Federal judge's membership in a Masonic organization became an issue. At his hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee, Sentelle admitted under questioning by Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) that he belonged to Masonic lodges of the Southern Jurisdiction of the Scottish Rite, in North Carolina, that had no blacks or women as members. Leahy pointed out that white Masonry does not accept black members, nor does it recognize black Masonry. The Sentelle nomination did not get to the Senate floor for seven months because of holds placed on it by other Senators. Sen. Jesse Helms of North Carolina, Sentelle's patron and sponsor, is himself a 33rd degree Mason, and he declared that he was ``aghast'' that a question of Sentelle's membership in a Masonic lodge had even become a matter of discussion, let alone an issue. Sen. Strom Thurmond (R-S.C.), then the Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said that he was ``astounded'' that the question was raised, and he acknowledged that he also was a 33rd degree Mason. (The story of how Rehnquist's own nomination to be Chief Justice was rammed through the Southern-dominated Senate Judiciary Committee a year earlier, is told in the accompanying article.) Scottish Rite Treason The Southern Jurisdiction of the Scottish Rite was always a traitorous conspiracy against the United States, formed by Tory British sympathizers after the American War of Independence. The Southern Jurisdiction was the core of the Confederate treason which sought to split the United States on behalf of Great Britain, and it gave birth to the Ku Klux Klan in the period immediately following the Civil War. Its Grand Commander from 1859 to 1891, Albert Pike, was a founder of the Klan and served as its Chief Judicial Officer. It was Pike, whose statue still blasphemes Judiciary Square in Washington, D.C., who declared, ``I took my obligation to white men, not to negroes. When I have to accept negroes as brothers or leave Masonry, I shall leave it.'' Despite this, Sentelle was confirmed as an appeals court judge, and this enabled Rehnquist, five years later, to hand-pick Sentelle to head the ``Special Division for Apppointing Independent Counsels.'' If Rehnquist's appointment of Sentelle was a surprise, it was nothing like that shock that greeted the sudden appointment of Kenneth Starr by Sentelle and the Special Division in August 1994. Attorney General Janet Reno had applied to the Special Division to reappoint Robert Fiske, the Whitewater independent counsel whom she had appointed under Justice Department regulations in January 1994, during the period when the Ethics in Government Act had expired. But instead of reappointing Fiske, who was a senior and
[CTRL] Bakers' Dozen
-Caveat Lector- I was thinking about these guys (all men) during the proceedings and got to wondering about them almost all being from the South / Midwest (except for the guys from Utah and California) ... what does THIS mean? From Wash Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/prosecution.ht m PictureProsecution Who's Who Updated January 14, 1999 Thirteen Republican members of the House Judiciary Committee have been appointed as "managers" who will serve as prosecutors in the trial. Every one of the House prosecutors has worked as a lawyer, but their experience varies widely. (Also see the Post stories: Trial's Managers Chart an Uncertain Course, Dec. 22, 1998, and Like-Minded Team of 13 to Present House's Case , Jan. 14, 1999.) Barr | Bryant | Buyer | Canady | Cannon | Chabot | Gekas | Graham Hutchinson | Hyde | McCollum | Rogan | Sensenbrenner REP. BOB BARR, Ga., 50, elected 1994 Picture DUTIES: Outline how president's conduct relates to obstruction of justice and perjury laws. Long before Monica Lewinsky became a household name, Barr introduced the first impeachment resolution against Clinton over alleged fund-raising irregularities and other matters. The conservative, who has co-authored an anti-Clinton book, introduced House Res. 304 in November 1997, a resolution directing the Judiciary Committee to investigate whether grounds existed to impeach Clinton. Some members of his own party criticized Barr for that, although the measure did garner 22 Republican cosponsors. Barr also is closely allied with the National Rifle Association and is vocal about gun ownership issues. Opening Statements from December 11 Hearing Questions Asked of Kenneth Starr on November 19 Excerpts from October 5 Statement on Impeachment Inquiry Direct Access: Interview with Rep. Bob Barr (April 10, 1998) Congressional Guide Profile REP. ED BRYANT, Tenn., 50, elected 1994 Picture DUTIES: Outline factual case against president. Bryant has taken a tough stand against crime on the Judiciary Committee, although he is not a vocal member of the often boisterous panel. He generally votes with his party on committee matters. Opening Statements from December 10 Hearing Questions Asked of Kenneth Starr on November 19 Congressional Guide Profile REP. STEVE BUYER, Ind., 40, elected 1992 Picture DUTIES: Address how president's conduct meets constitutional test for removal from office. Buyer, a reservist, was called to active service during Desert Storm as a legal adviser to a prisoner-of-war camp in the Persian Gulf. He now suffers from some of the same ailments as other soldiers returning from the Gulf, and has called for more investigation into the "Gulf War Syndrome." He also helped pass a law in a previous Congress permitting the Veterans Administration to compensate Gulf War veterans with disabilities from undiagnosed illnesses. Opening Statements from December 10 Hearing Questions Asked of Kenneth Starr on November 19 Congressional Guide Profile REP. CHARLES CANADY, Fla., 44, elected 1992, chairman House Judiciary Subcommittee on the Constitution. Picture DUTIES: Address how president's conduct meets constitutional test for removal from office. Sometimes coolly combative and staunchly conservative, Canady has railed against abortion rights except under certain circumstances and worked to pass a ban on so-called "partial-birth abortions" and prohibit people from taking pregnant minors across state lines to have an abortion without parental consent. Opening Statements from December 10 Hearing Questions Asked of Kenneth Starr on November 19 Congressional Guide Profile REP. CHRISTOPHER CANNON, Utah, 48, elected 1996 Picture DUTIES: Outline how Clinton's conduct relates to obstruction of justice and perjury laws Cannon, a former Reagan administration official, was elected in 1996. He is a champion of the Internal Revenue Service reform effort. Opening Statements from December 11 Hearing Questions Asked of Kenneth Starr on November 19 Congressional Guide Profile REP. STEVE CHABOT, Ohio, 45, elected 1994 Picture DUTIES: Outline how Clinton's conduct relates to obstruction of justice and perjury laws. Chabot has supported requiring jail inmates and people on probation to do public works projects. He occasionally departs from the party line on certain votes, such as the 1996 GOP budget plan, which he deemed too "liberal." Opening Statements from
