[CTRL] CHINAGATE BONANZA ON FOX NEWS TONIGHT! (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Tom Fitton August 16, 1999 (202) 646-5172 CHINAGATE BONANZA ON FOX NEWS TONIGHT! "Based on all of the available evidence, it appears there is a widespread conspiracy orchestrated by the Clinton Administration to prevent justice in the Chinagate scandals." Larry Klayman, Chairman of Judicial Watch Johnny Chung and Judicial Watch to Score 1-2 Punch (Washington, DC, August 16) Following appearances before Judicial Watch and the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee, Johnny Chung is slated to give an interview this evening on Fox News Channel's The O'Reilly Factor (8:00 p.m. Eastern) in which he will finger Democratic Congressman Henry Waxman in an apparent scheme to obstruct justice. Following The O'Reilly Factor, Judicial Watch Chairman Larry Klayman will appear on Hannity and Colmes (9:00 pm Eastern) with video of John Huang and Johnny Chung's sworn deposition testimony showing additional occurrences of obstruction of justice, this time by President Clinton and his Justice Department. "Based on all of the available evidence, it appears there is a widespread conspiracy orchestrated by the Clinton Administration to prevent justice in the Chinagate scandals," said Klayman. Judicial Watch's seven lawsuits concerning Chinagate including a recently filed complaint against Loral Space and Communications Corporation and John Huang, among others are designed to obtain justice in the civil courts since the criminal justice system has failed (see www.JudicialWatch.org). Judicial Watch will do in Chinagate what Dan Petrocelli did in the OJ Simpson case. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Differing is what makes this country great. . . try to differ to the gubmnt, the irs or a cop Chris (the other one) I would just add this. Your comments are probably correct in a "global" sense, in other words yes, we do sell them substandard parts etc. We do already have better stuff that can neutralize whatever we just sold them. But this whole right, left, capitalism, communism, paradigm is fueled by such actions and it, in the end, only serves the "masters" by either fueling paranoia, by being so outraged by this, yourself, you seem to be supporting the fragmenting policy of the "them and us" paradigm. or increasing the risks of armed confrontation. armed confrontations don't necessarily wait for the weapons to become that, though they do help. you are right in that it is a preparation for armed conflict. Still and all we DID give them better technology than they had and they WERE and ARE our enemy so it is cause for hubbub to me anyway. Feel free to differ if you wish, but there you have MO. Teo1000 a "correcter" position would be china's hand in the tibetan genocide issue. from which perspective, china damned well does not need any help, weaponswise; an act comparable to the u.s. supplying the gas to the deathcamps of germany (not to imply that the u.s. did any such thing, but who knows?). you may be certain also that they figured that if they did not sell to china, that the russians or israelis would. good biz, right. i appreciate your sentiment but your outrage may be channelled to some other issues as well. while i appreciate its value as a common high-level betrayal of office, it will more than likely become another assault against the tibetans. not liking it any more than you, but for other reasons as well. otherwise chris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CHINAGATE..
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/14/99 4:28:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a "correcter" position would be china's hand in the tibetan genocide issue. from which perspective, china damned well does not need any help, weaponswise; an act comparable to the u.s. supplying the gas to the deathcamps of germany (not to imply that the u.s. did any such thing, but who knows?). you may be certain also that they figured that if they did not sell to china, that the russians or israelis would. good biz, right. i appreciate your sentiment but your outrage may be channelled to some other issues as well. while i appreciate its value as a common high-level betrayal of office, it will more than likely become another assault against the tibetans. not liking it any more than you, but for other reasons as well. otherwise chris Good points. I am not as outraged over this issue as may be apparent from my posts on the line, I just can get worked up from time to time! China is sinister and evil (as a nation, not speaking about people here) all they do is contrary to basic human rights etc. That is why I don't like any dealings with them, MFN, sale of technology, etc. I'd rather have them at a safe distance, but then they are in the mesh of international entanglements and cannot be divorced from it, so is the issue one of keeping your enemies closer than your friends in order to keep an eye on them? I don't know. I just don't like it. As for the idea of my support of the paradigm of us and them, let me say this. I am for mankind first and for promoting their freedom to live and do as they please without any unnecessary hampering from dictatorial regimes, or other entities. If I can't help all the people then I'll choose to help those closer to me simply for convenience sake, and because practically I can do nothing substantial for the oppressed Chinese. I guess that is a kind of "us and them" mentality. There are other greater issues at work here to be sure. Why don't you give us a glimpse behind your mind and tell us some things that we should be looking at in this vein? Teo1000 (the only one) G DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-02-14 10:28:22 EST, Teo1000 writes: China is sinister and evil (as a nation, not speaking about people here) all they do is contrary to basic human rights etc. That is why I don't like any dealings with them, MFN, sale of technology, etc. I'd rather have them at a safe distance, but then they are in the mesh of international entanglements and cannot be divorced from it, so is the issue one of keeping your enemies closer than your friends in order to keep an eye on them? When the issue of China comes up, I am more easily swayed into thinking there's really no difference between Dems and Repubs at all. I recall when the issue of MFN status came up in either the Reagan or Bush years, many Dems made eloquent arguments against it, mostly based on human rights issues, specifically the Tiennaman Square (sp?) massacre. I was most definitely opposed to MFN status. When Clinton pushed to grant it again, I didn't watch Congress closely to see who was on what side of the issue, but was equally opposed myself. I recall headlines where Republicans were screaming "human rights, Tiennaman Square" which, of course, was contradictory. I don't think our politicians (most of them) even try to pretend America gives a damn about human rights throughout the world anymore. It's all about business interests and the economy. As for China, for all I know, it's about keeping the opium-trading business healthy. It's important to note, as I haven't seen it mentioned here yet, that Clinton continued a policy of supplying missile technology to China. It was begun in the Reagan years and continued in the Bush admin. I don't think Clinton is the "second-coming" or the "antichrist" and find generalizations like that insulting. His foreign policy makes him look like a Bush clone, and makes a strong argument for the assertion that all our Presidents are controlled by the same forces. Reminds me of LBJ. He made great strides with civil rights and aid to the poor, but his Viet Nam initiatives were abhorrent. L. Fletcher Prouty, in his book, "Secret Team," makes a strong case for Johnson being manipulated by his intelligence/military advisors. Perhaps all Presidents have been since Truman. There is no doubt in my mind that the "permanent" employees on the Hill and in the Pentagon pull the biggest strings. Samantha DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/14/99 7:33:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't think our politicians (most of them) even try to pretend America gives a damn about human rights throughout the world anymore. It's all about business interests and the economy. As for China, for all I know, it's about keeping the opium-trading business healthy. It's important to note, as I haven't seen it mentioned here yet, that Clinton continued a policy of supplying missile technology to China. It was begun in the Reagan years and continued in the Bush admin. I don't think Clinton is the "second-coming" or the "antichrist" and find generalizations like that insulting. His foreign policy makes him look like a Bush clone, and makes a strong argument for the assertion that all our Presidents are controlled by the same forces. All true of course. The point is that it is more of the same. The President is so, only in name and at the behest of the real leaders. Clinton's foreign policy is more abysmal than Bush's IMO (and Bush's was atrocious), especially with Albright who is regarded as a stooge by everyone, and is probably ridiculed as well, not to mention Warren Christopher. But al of this is moot in the face of the overlying paradigm. Republican and Democrat they are the same and are promoting the same agenda, they just use different means to reach that end. Would things be different vis a vis China if Bush was in power still? I think so, because he would probably be doing backdoor stuff to enrich himself while decrying China to the world at large, and wouldn't get caught like Clinton did/is. Therefore what is the point of supporting party politics at all? The issue of China is just what "they" need to try and rally support for "their" agendas whether for or against in the great Hegelian Dialectic that is constantly unfolding all around us. Evil Empires are still needed, as well as piddling nuisances (Saddam). Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: This is the real issue that never will see the light of day in any proceedings against Bill Clinton et al. The whole China issue was conveniently and maybe permanently hidden and shoved under the rug by the masters in DC. Why? Because the people in Congress are just as responsible for the whole mess as the President. When and if Chinese missiles come raining down on us it will be too late to point the finger then and any gloating one could do by saying "I told you so," will have lost it's value. Teo1000 i will differ from you on this one. do you know that what we dropped on iraq was mostly crap with expired expiration dates on them. you should also know that when we lend some third world country so many billions of dollars, we turn around and sell them a bill of the same kinds of goods. bearing this in mind you can bet that, no matter how sophisticated the technology passed to the chinese, that it is already outdated. so what the hell; i really don't see what the hubbub is about. chris (the other one) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/13/99 5:14:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: This is the real issue that never will see the light of day in any proceedings against Bill Clinton et al. The whole China issue was conveniently and maybe permanently hidden and shoved under the rug by the masters in DC. Why? Because the people in Congress are just as responsible for the whole mess as the President. When and if Chinese missiles come raining down on us it will be too late to point the finger then and any gloating one could do by saying "I told you so," will have lost it's value. Teo1000 i will differ from you on this one. do you know that what we dropped on iraq was mostly crap with expired expiration dates on them. you should also know that when we lend some third world country so many billions of dollars, we turn around and sell them a bill of the same kinds of goods. bearing this in mind you can bet that, no matter how sophisticated the technology passed to the chinese, that it is already outdated. so what the hell; i really don't see what the hubbub is about. chris (the other one) Differing is what makes this country great. . . Chris (the other one) I would just add this. Your comments are probably correct in a "global" sense, in other words yes, we do sell them substandard parts etc. We do already have better stuff that can neutralize whatever we just sold them. But this whole right, left, capitalism, communism, paradigm is fueled by such actions and it, in the end, only serves the "masters" by either fueling paranoia, or increasing the risks of armed confrontation. Still and all we DID give them better technology than they had and they WERE and ARE our enemy so it is cause for hubbub to me anyway. Feel free to differ if you wish, but there you have MO. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] CHINAGATE..
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. A perpetual motion machine. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:488125"CHINAGATE../A - Subject: CHINAGATE.. From: "JM" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, Feb 12, 1999 6:40 PM Message-id: 7a2oml$hf1$[EMAIL PROTECTED] Red Star Over the White House by William Norman Grigg Its just about sex!" runs the refrain of Bill Clintons defenders, and a distressingly large portion of the American public has been willing to sing along. The second verse, which debuted during the impeachment debate in the House of Representatives, runs as follows: "Bill Clintons conduct in the Lewinsky affair disgraced the Presidency, but it didnt rise to the level of impeachment." By the time the impeachment of President Clinton was an accomplished fact, the public, suffering from acute scandal fatigue, had lost interest in the entire sordid affair and desperately wanted Congress to extract itself from what Senator Robert Byrd (D-WV) called the "salacious muck" of the Lewinsky matter. Whatever the outcome of the Senate trial, William Jefferson Clinton has secured his inglorious place in history as the first elected President to be impeached and deservedly so. Perjury, obstructionism, and abuse of presidential power to conceal the sexual exploitation of a young subordinate are offenses of sufficient magnitude to merit Mr. Clintons removal from office. Had the President any respect for the office he holds, or any concern about the best interests of the country he purports to lead, he would have resigned no later than January 1998, when the Lewinsky scandal was first made public. Tactical High Ground Yet it must be understood that improbable though it may seem the impeachment of Bill Clinton was a triumph of spin control. By making his personal depravity the central focus of the impeachment debate (although he was impeached for his subversion of the rule of law), Mr. Clinton has chosen a battlefield in which he and his "secret police" have the tactical advantage. This is illustrated by the pre-emptive attack on former House Speaker designate Robert Livingston (R-LA), and the retaliatory attacks launched by pornographer and presidential ally Larry Flynt. Lost amid the superficial tumult that characterizes the "politics of personal destruction" is the fact that the impeachment of Mr. Clinton on Lewinsky-related charges deferred a much-needed inquiry into the graver charges that are pending against Bill Clinton specifically, treason and bribery, which are specifically cited in the Constitution as grounds for impeachment. Evidence abounds that Mr. Clinton, in acts of official perfidy that may be unparalleled in our nations history, accepted bribes from Red China in the form of illegal political contributions, and in exchange made policy decisions that undermined our national security to the benefit of that hostile foreign power. The mantra chanted by the Presidents lackeys and partisans is that Bill Clintons acts in the Lewinsky matter "dont rise to the level" of impeachment or removal from office. Not even the most chauvinistic of Bill Clintons defenders could recite that slogan regarding treason. As the sides lined up for the "Trial of the Century" in the Senate, debate raged as to whether witnesses would be heard, and if so who they would be: Monica Lewinsky? Bettie Currie? Vernon Jordan? Sidney Blumenthal? For those concerned about Americas national security, the crucial fact was that the witness list would not include John Huang, Johnny Chung, Yah Lin "Charlie" Trie, Maria Hsia, Ted Sioeng, or others found on the list of the more than 100 potential material witnesses in the so-called Chinagate affair who have fled, invoked the Fifth Amendment, or brazenly refused to cooperate with investigators. Therein lies the real triumph of Clintonite spin-control and a tragic dereliction of duty on the part of Congress. Open Door to the Enemy In their masterful exposé Year of the Rat a volume which will be prominently featured in this issue of The New American congressional investigators Edward Timperlake and William C. Triplett II document that "in order to gain and hold onto power, the Clinton administration has acted recklessly, allowing the wrong people to gain access to our most important political and economic secrets. Any number of Chinese arms dealers, spies, narcotics traffickers, gangsters, pimps, accomplices to mass murder, communist agents, and other undesirables [were] associated one way or another with the White House and money." That such a squalid parade was able to buy access to the most intimate recesses of the White House is shocking and disgusting. But this is much, much more than merely an offense against aesthetics: The Red Chinese military (the so-called Peoples Liberation Army, or PLA) is now able to deploy much more accurate nuclear-armed missiles pointed at the United States, in large measure because of
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-Caveat Lector- This is the real issue that never will see the light of day in any proceedings against Bill Clinton et al. The whole China issue was conveniently and maybe permanently hidden and shoved under the rug by the masters in DC. Why? Because the people in Congress are just as responsible for the whole mess as the President. When and if Chinese missiles come raining down on us it will be too late to point the finger then and any gloating one could do by saying "I told you so," will have lost it's value. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
