Re: [CTRL] Camille on Hillary
-Caveat Lector- Who REALLY cares what Camille Paglia says about anything This butt ugly dyke, self-absorbed and a total media fabrication, has about as much ground to stand on as Clarence (Uncle Tom) Thomas on the issue of civil rights Who cares about Camille??? Bill. I do. She is a witty and insightful iconoclast. I am surprised a Hilliary Defender would make such homophobe remarksbut of course the Hilliaryites are often sanctimonious hypocrites. flw DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Camille on Hillary
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/14/99 1:53:48 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am surprised a Hilliary Defender would make such homophobe remarks Am I a rabid Hillary defender Where did I earn this, could you cite posts??? And I like lesbians...IF they're the cute, Penthouse type... Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Camille on Hillary
-Caveat Lector- From www.iwf.com Picture Picture: The Women's Quarterly Logo - --- By Camille Paglia Picture Interview: I Told You So! I Told You So! Camille Paglia sounds off to TWQ editor Charlotte Hays about the feminist establishment, the Clinton scandals, and why Gloria Steinem is out of touch TWQ: The first question I want to ask you is about Monica. Is she a vixen or a victim? Did she get what she wanted? PAGLIA: Well, Monica Lewinsky herself bores me silly because she is a kind of a prototype of a narcissistic and spoiled American girl that I have been seeing develop over the last twenty-five years as a teacher--not at my school, the University of the Arts, where most people don't have those kinds of economic advantages. But I certainly saw this coming from my first job at Bennington College and later as a visiting instructor at Wesleyan and Yale. And I have been warning about this for years and saying that we are raising up a whole generation of young people who are completely removed from any sense of the outside world. To me, the most damaging thing Monica did to herself was her response to Barbara Walters' early question: "When you went to the White House as an intern, were you interested in politics?" And Monica Lewinsky is so shallow and her family is so shallow that she said, "No, not at all,"-and in a very high and superficial voice that you would use having a drink off Rodeo Drive or something. I was just amazed at that! Our educational system at the primary and secondary level is so flawed that we have girls who would go to the White House as a tremendous career opportunity for themselves and come out of that experience in Washington undented by any sense of wider political or historical realities. TWQ: What would you advise her to do? PAGLIA: I would advise Monica Lewinsky to get the hell off the public stage before she damages the cause of women any further. TWQ: What has been her impact on the establishment feminist movement? PAGLIA: Ohhh, I have been in hog heaven over that! Never, never did I dream that Gloria Steinem would shoot herself in every one of her eight feet-but she did over Monica Lewinsky! Christina Hoff Sommers was an early warrior in this battle, and we were together in all of this in the early 1990s. And now, of course, a horde of other women have come onto the scene, and we no longer have to take all the abuse. Christina and I have for years tried to get people to see that the feminist establishment did not speak for all women. In fact, I'm the one who coined the term "feminist establishment." When I went out on my first publicity tour after Sexual Personae and in my early articles in 1990, 1991, 1992, I drilled that phrase in every interview. I kept on saying, "feminist establishment, feminist establishment"-to try to drive that wedge into media consciousness and to make them understand that the leaders of the feminist organizations based in Washington and New York not only did not speak for all women but they did not speak for all feminists either. They were as divorced from the actual historical currents within feminism as the leaders of the Communist Party were in the Politburo or the more recent Soviet Union, where they were living like the dukes of the Romanovs. At any rate, year by year, my campaign to portray--correctly portray--the feminist leaders as out of touch with women has really succeeded-and they helped me enormously! I feel that my record, in terms of my feminist responses to the various sexual scandals from the early 1990s, is now being proved to have been the correct one. In 1986, for heaven's sake, in my own university, I lobbied for the adoption of moderate sexual harassment guidelines, but at the same time I felt there was a fascist extremism in feminism coming out of Catharine MacKinnon that was pushing these things toward authoritarian extremes that I, as a libertarian, could not support. And so in 1991, I was the only feminist out there who was attacking Anita Hill! One week into those hearings, I wrote a piece for the Philadelphia Inquirer that begins, "Anita Hill is no feminist heroine." And I felt Clarence Thomas was quite right: He was the victim of a high-tech lynching. Then when Paula Jones came along in 1994, I was the only feminist immediately out there saying, "I find her case credible." I was on the "Larry King Show" in May 1994--that transcript is in my book, Vamps Tramps. I went against Eleanor Smeal, who was saying, "This is just a put-up job by the right wing,"--the same thing Hillary tried all last year. And I said, "Oh, really? Well, Anita Hill's case was a put-up job by the feminist establishment." It's comical the mess that Steinem made over Monica Lewinsky, but the real hypocrisy was in the Paula Jones case in 1994. If in fact the feminist
Re: [CTRL] Camille on Hillary
-Caveat Lector- Who REALLY cares what Camille Paglia says about anything This butt ugly dyke, self-absorbed and a total media fabrication, has about as much ground to stand on as Clarence (Uncle Tom) Thomas on the issue of civil rights Who cares about Camille??? Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Camille on Hillary
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Who REALLY cares what Camille Paglia says about anything This butt ugly dyke, self-absorbed and a total media fabrication, So if you're not a handsome stud, we should all disregard you? OK. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Camille on Hillary
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/13/99 7:53:29 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So if you're not a handsome stud, we should all disregard you? OK. Well, thankfully I am a handsome stud BUT then again so is Paglia...though she's not attractive in the female sense...anyway, no, that's not my point. My point is that Paglia speaks for Paglia, there's really no big "movement" behind her (I won't mention her posterior), she's a media creation, nothing more. She talks like a disinfranchised male...big deal One could hear this type of venom at any union hall...I guess my point is WHO CARES WHAT PAGLIA THINKS??? I don't Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
