Re: [CTRL] Court Rules Cross-Dresser Can Stay in the U.S. on Asylum Claim
From: "Aleisha Saba" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > June - I have been sitting here watching PBS and a man who is an alleged > homosexual, and who played one in a movie, do a routine Gee, for someone who claims to hate homosexuals and be disgusted by them, you sure do seem to go out of your way to watch them. Time to come out of the closet, little 'Aleisha'... And find out that real life is NOT what you watch on TV. > This cross dresser that stabbed this youg girl (and she married into a > family of famous movie star who is still around - her father was a > friend of mine)this cross dresser, tried to kill her for one reason > - this sicko dressed like a woman wearing slimey lipstick hated her > because she was a woman. If true -- and anything from you is highly questionable -- then that is just one person's hangup. Most crossdressers are heterosexual and don't go around stabbing people. Most people who go around stabbing or shooting others are heterosexual and dress as such. With such statistics, I think most people would feel safer in the company of crossdressers than non-crossdressers. ;-) The tale you recount may be true...one often sees the counterpart of this supposed mad crossdressing stabber on the internet, masquerading under a feminine ID... Something you know all about, eh 'Aleisha'? ;-) > Queers usually do play role models.one plays mommy and the other > daddy...now they want little kids to play with like Barbie dolls. Again, pedophilia has no more to do with adult homosexuality than it does with adult heterosexuality. We're still waiting to see your answer to whether you view the male abusers of little girls as being representative of all adult heterosexual males. If you believe they are not, then how can you equate the male abusers of little boys to the whole of the adult male homosexual population? > So you think queers are cute and cross dressers acceptable? I've never used the word 'cute'. I do accept the right of any adult to freely practice whatever sexual practice turns them on, as long as the activity involves consenting adults or the practioner alone. I do not believe it is my, yours, or anyone else's business. Because again I point out that there is absolutely no sexual practice engaged in by homosexuals that isn't also engaged in by heterosexuals. > Perhaps you think it is alright for a pedophile/homosexual, playing the > role of the mother, molests 3 little kids? I do not think it is alright for ANYONE to molest children. But once again, for all your 3 years of college psychology (which it would seem you hardly passed), you fail to see that pedophilia is separate and distinct from normal adult sexuality, whether that sexuality be gay or straight. You continue to falsely equate an adult male molesting a minor male with homosexuality. Do you also equate an adult male molesting a minor female with heterosexuality? How many times do you have to be asked that question before you give us an answer? > I do not and I judge this man as I would the others... "Judge not, lest ye be judged..." June http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Court Rules Cross-Dresser Can Stay in the U.S. on Asylum Claim
June - I have been sitting here watching PBS and a man who is an alleged homosexual, and who played one in a movie, do a routine - he is a little boy, and he has a little bed - he is a Peter Pan and a Michael Jackon and a Barney Frank all in one. This cross dresser that stabbed this youg girl (and she married into a family of famous movie star who is still around - her father was a friend of mine)this cross dresser, tried to kill her for one reason - this sicko dressed like a woman wearing slimey lipstick hated her because she was a woman. A few weeks prior to this incident her husband had been killed in an accident.her new husband is a kind and gentle man...strange, the newspapers hardly carried a few lines on this one.But then working for a US Congressman at the time - and later, well one of this congressman's aides was in a phone booth and shot by who knows what.I know that guy didn't like perverts anymore than I did - and was retired FBI. Queers usually do play role models.one plays mommy and the other daddy...now they want little kids to play with like Barbie dolls. This creep on TV like Rosie O/Donnell and Michael Jackson like to portray themselves as having a following of children.this man in our town did to, but when you live in a half million dollar home guess you can buy most anything. When this guy was murdered ini his home by his lover, he played the woman I understand for he loved children so - evreybody gave a sign of relief.He got away with a lot, and his friends got away with murder too..this kid that murdred him, was just that - a kid, who was attracted to his wealth. So we have Rosie dressing like a little elf in Santa's workshp; this creep tonight in a little kids bed playing little kid surrounded with little kids, like Michael Jackson.so what is Jackson. I saw him once in a trashy bar for 2 minutes and I left; my friends wanted to see him, but the place was foul and run by organized crime figure later involved in murder also...he was little kid then, with this huge Afro Cut and who would ever dream he would turn out to be such a whatever it is. So you think queers are cute and cross dressers acceptable? I do not. Work for a court sometime - see a case where a perverted twisted man slammed a baby's head against a wall until it was mush, so his playmate would come back out and play. So let them stay in their own yard..but it seems these twisted people are trying to get into your childs play area to destroy their childhood and dreams. I have had 3 years abnormal psychology in college..I know what these people are like, and if it is normal now, something is wrong. Perhaps you think it is alright for a pedophile/homosexual, playing the role of the mother, molests 3 little kids? I do not and I judge this man as I would the others..if you could call that a man. His father offered to have him castrated; and I thought gee whiz, that is what this Jewish Mafia Doctor wanted to do to the black doctor - the one with the neo nazi literature, for he was a fag also. Hoffa protected him from the Italian mob in prison...while othrs said this man was CIA which was ludicrous. A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Court Rules Cross-Dresser Can Stay in the U.S. on Asylum Claim
I notice Aleisha refused to answer my question, to whit: what sexual practices do homosexuals engage in that heterosexuals also don't engage in? Also, she has refused to answer the question as to whether she regards adult men who sexually molest little girls indicative of adult male heterosexuals as a whole... Inquiring minds wish to know... ;-) June http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Court Rules Cross-Dresser Can Stay in the U.S. on Asylum Claim
You are a liar June, and a bore as well; as I said you choose your associates and I choose mine. What have you ever submitted in the way of an original idea to this list? So later on will send you some of your correspondence with certain men on this list who had you pegged just about right. A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Court Rules Cross-Dresser Can Stay in the U.S. on Asylum Claim
From: "Aleisha Saba" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > One day walking across the lot this man came at her, a young black, > dressed in a woman's dress and wearing lipstick - he stabbed her in the > stomach 3 or 4 times - she did survive but at home had two children, > quite small. Would the stabbing have been more palatable had the attacker been dressed 'normally'? Indeed, I think statistics would bear out that in most such attacks, the attacker is NOT a cross-dresser. So what's your point? > These people also try to latch on networks involving care of juvenile > delinquents - for I personally saw this too...like this queer in > our town the son of a millionaire and he had a million who virtually > bought three kids from an alcoholic fatherI had the great pleasure > to turn that creep and worked for the Court where he was then sent away > for the first time i his life.might add he ran with the Jewish Mafia > killers, one of which was also a big queer and hung around with Meyer > Lansky when he came to town. There is a world of difference between pedophiles and gay men, as there are between gay men as a whole and cross-dressers. Many cross-dressers are heterosexual. And adult men who sexually molest little boys have no more to do with adult male homosexuality than adult men who sexually molest little girls have to do with adult male heterosexuality. Are you saying that the men who sexually molested Jon Benet Ramsey are representative of all adult male heterosexuals? If not, then why do you equate men who sexually molest male children to the whole of the adult male homosexual population? > So these kind of people if this is what you want, fineto each his > own.I hope you do not feel compelled to now repeat your story about > what queers do in your usual sick and disgusting manner. Actually I'm not the one who has posted details of homosexual sexual practices, it's one of your alternate personalities who has... What I have posted is the FACT that homosexuals have no sexual practice that is uniquely their own, that every single sex act participated in by gays are also practiced by heterosexuals. It's not our fault that you find the act of sexual intercourse sick and disgusting, Aleisha. You should seek professional help for your hangups > Jesus was a real man; and of course the sign of a revolutionary, was and > still is long hair according - and further June, hard to tell what you > are, man, woman, or an it. Not that I give a crap. Well, if you didn't care, you wouldn't have brought it up, would you? June http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Court Rules Cross-Dresser Can Stay in the U.S. on Asylum Claim
Well June with your X Rated knowledge in all such matters, please let this matter drop; to each his own. Anyone who doesn't know the difference between toga type apparel and a dress, can't be much. Let me explain why I do not like men dressing as women - and I have seen two such individuals and both were twisted, corrupted, and sick. One girl worked for a US Congressman, Samuel L. Devine.she normally parked her car at the Veterans Memorial Parking Lot. One day walking across the lot this man came at her, a young black, dressed in a woman's dress and wearing lipstick - he stabbed her in the stomach 3 or 4 times - she did survive but at home had two children, quite small. These people also try to latch on networks involving care of juvenile delinquents - for I personally saw this too...like this queer in our town the son of a millionaire and he had a million who virtually bought three kids from an alcoholic fatherI had the great pleasure to turn that creep and worked for the Court where he was then sent away for the first time i his life.might add he ran with the Jewish Mafia killers, one of which was also a big queer and hung around with Meyer Lansky when he came to town. So these kind of people if this is what you want, fineto each his own.I hope you do not feel compelled to now repeat your story about what queers do in your usual sick and disgusting manner. Jesus was a real man; and of course the sign of a revolutionary, was and still is long hair according - and further June, hard to tell what you are, man, woman, or an it. Not that I give a crap. A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Court Rules Cross-Dresser Can Stay in the U.S. on Asylum Claim
From: "Aleisha Saba" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Somebody wants to dress like the opposite sex, they better keep to their > own kind for it is not socially acceptable - Gee...seems to me it's been 'socially acceptable' for women to wear pants and tee-shirts for decades now. Not to mention the current 'in' fashion trend of women wearing men's boxer shorts as outer wear... Are you saying that women should only wear dresses and skirts? I'm sure next we'll read that you expect all men to have short hair and all women to have long hair...after all, short hair is 'masculine' and long hair is 'feminine', isn't it? Funny. I seem to remember all the pictures of Jesus they had in church when I was a kid -- not to mention the New Revised edition of the KJV of the Bible -- showed him with long hair and wearing a dress. June http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Court Rules Cross-Dresser Can Stay in the U.S. on Asylum Claim
Reminds me of the little girl Gore rushed to kiss because she was a lesbian and at a diffrent school she said she had been mistreated. So I imagine now AIDS will be a politically correct lifestyle and socially acceptable. Nobody cares to take a good look at South Africa, where they now say lifestyles of animals caused AIDS in the first place - green monkies, etc., and now is passed between "truck drivers" who take disease home to their wives, et. Somebody wants to dress like the opposite sex, they better keep to their own kind for it is not socially acceptable - except this one man police caught years ago, detective drilled hole in hotel room, and they had some really nice things going on - men dressed like women, with a dead chicken they had prepared for dinner LIVE. Asylum from what? Persecution for being a pervert ought to really open the doors wide. A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Court Rules Cross-Dresser Can Stay in the U.S. on Asylum Claim
Court Rules Cross-Dresser Can Stay in the U.S. on Asylum Claim By DAVID STOUT ASHINGTON, Aug. 25 -- A federal appeals court has ruled that a gay Mexican man who dresses and acts like a woman is entitled to asylum in the United States, expanding the circumstances that immigration officials must consider when foreigners ask to stay in the country. The United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, which covers the Western part of the country, ruled on Thursday that Geovanni Hernández-Montiel should be granted asylum. A three-judge panel sitting in Pasadena, Calif., unanimously overruled an immigration judge and members of an immigration appeals board, who had said he should be deported. Mr. Hernández-Montiel, who is in his early 20's, told of repeated assaults and taunts by the Mexican police before he fled to the United States in 1995. Testifying for Mr. Hernández-Montiel, an expert on Latin American history said gay men who dressed and acted like women were often singled out for cruel treatment in Mexico. The Immigration and Naturalization Service has occasionally granted asylum to foreigners who claimed they were persecuted because of their sexual orientation. But Mr. Hernández-Montiel's lawyer, Robert S. Gerber of San Diego, said he thought this case was the first in which an appeals court held that sexual orientation could be grounds for asylum because the applicant merits protection as a member of a "particular social group." The immigration agency has not decided whether to appeal, Bill Strassberger, a spokesman, said today. But Mr. Strassberger said the agency usually did not contest Circuit Court rulings unless government lawyers thought the judges had committed a serious error. The term "particular social group" comes from United Nations deliberations on the treatment of refugees and refers to those who share common traits that have caused them to be persecuted. These can range from fundamental characteristics like sex, color and ethnic background to biographical details like military service or land ownership. Whether an asylum seeker is a member of such a group is decided by immigration officials on a case-by-case basis. As the circuit court judges noted, the definition of "particular social group" is evolving. Generally speaking, the immigration agency says the traits that constitute membership in a particular social group must be ones that a person cannot change, or should not have to change because they are fundamental to a sense of identity or conscience. "We conclude as a matter of law that gay men with female sexual identities in Mexico constitute a 'particular social group,' " the court ruled in a decision written by Judge A. Wallace Tashima. An immigration judge and appeals board had found Mr. Hernández-Montiel's account of ostracism by his family and persecution by school officials, the Mexican police and ordinary Mexicans to be sincere and credible. But the judge and board rejected arguments that Mr. Hernández-Montiel was persecuted because of membership in a particular group. They also were skeptical of his claims that his traits were "immutable." Perhaps, it was suggested, he could just dress differently. Circuit court judges rejected that reasoning. "This case is about sexual identity, not fashion," Judge Tashima wrote in the ruling, in which he was joined by Judges Melvin Brunetti and William S. Schwarzer. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *Mike Spitzer* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List
