Re: [CTRL] Day of Deceit-FDR & Pearl Harbor
-Caveat Lector- "Damian B. Cooper" wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > At 11:38 PM 12/27/99 -0500, Nurev Independent Research wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > > > > > >You dumb shmucks! You never learn do you? What this country needs, is good > >honest PEACE, and keeping brain dead patriots like you locked in your > >outhouses. > > > >Semper Fi gawrsh! > >Joshua2 > > > > Well, dumb shmuck that I am, I would gladly settle for an "honest peace". > Sadly, I > don't have any confidence that we can ever expect to get an "honest peace" > from the craven, squalid, pre-indicted plutocrats currently manipulating > the levers of power in this > country. > > Bill Clinton, Madelaine Albright, Al Gore, Sandy Berger, William Cohen, > Harold Ickes, > Hillary Rodham, Ron Brown, Janet Reno, Strobe Talbot. Honest? > > BWAA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA > > DBC Dear DBC, You are totally right, and I agree with your above statement. I don't know if you were joking or not about wanting an " honest war," but at a time when this country has military bases all over the world and is killing people in their own homelands, joking about war is not funny. Children burn to death in wars. The way to put those assholes you name above out of business is by not joining the military and not funding the military. Not by looking for an honest war. There are no honest wars. Just days of deceit. Joshua2 PS : If I misunderstood you I apologize. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Day of Deceit-FDR & Pearl Harbor
-Caveat Lector- At 11:38 PM 12/27/99 -0500, Nurev Independent Research wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > >You dumb shmucks! You never learn do you? What this country needs, is good >honest PEACE, and keeping brain dead patriots like you locked in your >outhouses. > >Semper Fi gawrsh! >Joshua2 > Well, dumb shmuck that I am, I would gladly settle for an "honest peace". Sadly, I don't have any confidence that we can ever expect to get an "honest peace" from the craven, squalid, pre-indicted plutocrats currently manipulating the levers of power in this country. Bill Clinton, Madelaine Albright, Al Gore, Sandy Berger, William Cohen, Harold Ickes, Hillary Rodham, Ron Brown, Janet Reno, Strobe Talbot. Honest? BWAA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA DBC DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Day of Deceit-FDR & Pearl Harbor
-Caveat Lector-
Joshua2 wrote:
>> You dumb shmucks! You never learn do you? What this country needs, is
good
honest PEACE, and keeping brain dead patriots like you locked in your
outhouses.<<
Thanks for proving my point even further, J2.
eagle 1
[{ "For whey they shall say, 'Peace and safety';
sudden destruction cometh upon them, as
travail upon a woman with child; and they shall
not escape." -1 Thessalonians 5:3 KJV
"...in his estate shall stand up a vile person to
whom they shall not give the honour of the
kingdom: but HE SHALL COME IN PEACEABLY,
and obtain the kingdom by flatteries [not by war]"
Daniel 11:21 KJV }]
- Original Message -
From: "Nurev Ind Research" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 27, 1999 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Day of Deceit-FDR & Pearl Harbor
>
> Eagle 1 wrote:
> >
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > "Damian B. Cooper" wrote:
> > >>What this country needs is a good HONEST war!<<
> >
> > Yeah, I'd agree with that. But tell me, where are you going to get
the
> > true blue, flag waving, patriotic, "willing to die for country and
freedom"
> > military to do it...???
>
> You dumb shmucks! You never learn do you? What this country needs, is good
> honest PEACE, and keeping brain dead patriots like you locked in your
> outhouses.
>
> Semper Fi gawrsh!
> Joshua2
>
> > A military that allows "time outs" during basic
> > training, with little if any discipline, would get their behinds
kicked
> > all over the place in a matter of days. Let's face it, our military
> > readiness and training techniques in all reality, sucks right now! But
then
> > I always look to those in power; and when I look at the example Clinton
has
> > set as Chief of Staff, I wouldn't care to take orders from him
either!!!
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Re: [CTRL] Day of Deceit-FDR & Pearl Harbor
-Caveat Lector- Eagle 1 wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > "Damian B. Cooper" wrote: > >>What this country needs is a good HONEST war!<< > > Yeah, I'd agree with that. But tell me, where are you going to get the > true blue, flag waving, patriotic, "willing to die for country and freedom" > military to do it...??? You dumb shmucks! You never learn do you? What this country needs, is good honest PEACE, and keeping brain dead patriots like you locked in your outhouses. Semper Fi gawrsh! Joshua2 > A military that allows "time outs" during basic > training, with little if any discipline, would get their behinds kicked > all over the place in a matter of days. Let's face it, our military > readiness and training techniques in all reality, sucks right now! But then > I always look to those in power; and when I look at the example Clinton has > set as Chief of Staff, I wouldn't care to take orders from him either!!! DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Day of Deceit-FDR & Pearl Harbor
-Caveat Lector-
"Damian B. Cooper" wrote:
>>What this country needs is a good HONEST war!<<
Yeah, I'd agree with that. But tell me, where are you going to get the
true blue, flag waving, patriotic, "willing to die for country and freedom"
military to do it...??? A military that allows "time outs" during basic
training, with little if any discipline, would get their behinds kicked
all over the place in a matter of days. Let's face it, our military
readiness and training techniques in all reality, sucks right now! But then
I always look to those in power; and when I look at the example Clinton has
set as Chief of Staff, I wouldn't care to take orders from him either!!!
Not only that, with a prez who sets the example as being the true blue
draft dodger, and who while in office has been shutting down military bases
all over the country to offset his tax increases in order to make his budget
balance before he's out of office... I know that if I was back in the
military right now, I'd be looking for the first exit out; and I'd run,
not walk, to the nearest one available... So, unless you can recruit the
militia, or large numbers of death-wish vigilantes and mercenaries, I doubt
seriously that you're going to find enough 'tough' good honest men and women
who want the job of going to war right now.
Great idea... but unfortunately, at the needed scale of war to resolve the
issues at hand, it doesn't seem very feasible.
eagle 1
[{ The time will come when they will say...
"... Who is like unto the beast?
Who is able to make war with him?"
Revelation 13:4 - KJV }]
- Original Message -
From: "Damian B. Cooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 27, 1999 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Day of Deceit-FDR & Pearl Harbor
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> At 02:30 PM 12/27/99 -0500, Gavin Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > New book. Inside cover blurb. Gavin.
> >
> >DAY OF DECEIT
> >THE TRUTH ABOUT FDR AND PEARL HARBOR
> >by Robert Stinnett
> >
> - - - snip - - -
>
> >Day of Deceit is the definitive final chapter on America's greatest
secret
> >and our worst military disaster.
> >
>
> I doubt that it is the "final chapter" by any stretch of the imagination.
>
> Rather, it abundantantly reconfirms the thesis that most, it not all of
the
> major wars in this century involving the United States involved the use
> of deception to engineer U.S. participation.
>
> World War I:The purported sinking of the ferry Sussex, later shown to
be
> false;
> the sinking of the Lusitania, later shown to have been
carrying war
> contraband.
>
> Also, the "Germans spearing babies on their bayonets"
hoax. (It
> never happend, folks; it was British war propaganda.)
>
>
> World War II: The engineered bombing of Pearl Harbor
>
> Korea: ??
>
> Vietnam:The Gulf of Tonkin incident
>
> Haiti: The "our guy is not as corrupt" hoax
> and the "we have to stop the boat people
> after we gave them the green light" hoax
>
> Desert Storm: The Kuwait incubator babies massacre hoax
>
> Somalia War:the "chemical weapons factory" hoax
>
> Kosovo War: the "ethnic cleansing" hoax
>
>
> What this country needs is a good HONEST war!
>
>
> DBC
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Re: [CTRL] Day of Deceit-FDR & Pearl Harbor
-Caveat Lector- At 02:30 PM 12/27/99 -0500, Gavin Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > New book. Inside cover blurb. Gavin. > >DAY OF DECEIT >THE TRUTH ABOUT FDR AND PEARL HARBOR >by Robert Stinnett > - - - snip - - - >Day of Deceit is the definitive final chapter on America's greatest secret >and our worst military disaster. > I doubt that it is the "final chapter" by any stretch of the imagination. Rather, it abundantantly reconfirms the thesis that most, it not all of the major wars in this century involving the United States involved the use of deception to engineer U.S. participation. World War I:The purported sinking of the ferry Sussex, later shown to be false; the sinking of the Lusitania, later shown to have been carrying war contraband. Also, the "Germans spearing babies on their bayonets" hoax. (It never happend, folks; it was British war propaganda.) World War II: The engineered bombing of Pearl Harbor Korea: ?? Vietnam:The Gulf of Tonkin incident Haiti: The "our guy is not as corrupt" hoax and the "we have to stop the boat people after we gave them the green light" hoax Desert Storm: The Kuwait incubator babies massacre hoax Somalia War:the "chemical weapons factory" hoax Kosovo War: the "ethnic cleansing" hoax What this country needs is a good HONEST war! DBC DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Day of Deceit-FDR & Pearl Harbor
-Caveat Lector- New book. Inside cover blurb. Gavin. DAY OF DECEIT THE TRUTH ABOUT FDR AND PEARL HARBOR by Robert Stinnett Pearl Harbor was not an accident, a mere failure of American intelligence, or a brilliant Japanese military coup. It was the result of a carefully orchestrated design, initiated at the highest levels of our government. According to a key memorandum eight steps were taken to make sure we would enter the war by this means. Pearl Harbor was the only way, leading officials felt, to galvanize the reluctant American public into action. This great question of Pearl Harbor--what did we know and when did we know it?--has been argued for years. At first, a panel created by FDR concluded that we had no advance warning and should blame only the local commanders for lack of preparedness. More recently, historians such as John Toland and Edward Beach have concluded that some intelligence was intercepted. Finally, just months ago, the Senate voted to exonerate Hawaii commanders Admiral Kimmel and Lieutenant General Short, after the Pentagon officially declared that blame should be "broadly shared." But no investigator has ever been able to prove that fore-knowledge of the attack existed at the highest levels. Until now. After decades of Freedom of Information Act requests, Robert B. Stinnett has gathered the long-hidden evidence that shatters every shibboleth of Pearl Harbor. It shows that not only was the attack expected, it was deliberately provoked through an eight-step program devised by the Navy. Whereas previous investigators have claimed that our government did not crack Japan's military codes before December 7, 1941, Stinnett offers cable after cable of decryptions. He proves that a Japanese spy on the island transmitted information--including a map of bombing targets--beginning on August 21, and that government intelligence knew all about it. He reveals that Admiral Kimmel was prevented from conducting a routine training exercise at the eleventh hour that would have uncovered the location of the oncoming Japanese fleet. And contrary to previous claims, he shows that the Japanese fleet did not maintain radio silence as it approached Hawaii. Its many coded cables were intercepted and decoded by American cryptographers in Stations on Hawaii and in Seattle. The evidence is overwhelming. At the highest levels--on FDR's desk--America had ample warning of the pending attack. At those same levels, it was understood that the isolationist American public would not support a declaration of war unless we were attacked first. The result was a plan to anger Japan, to keep the loyal officers responsible for Pearl Harbor in the dark, and thus to drag America into the greatest war of her existence. Yet even having found what he calls the "terrible truth," Stinnett is still inclined to forgive. "I sympathize with the agonizing dilemma faced by President Roosevelt," he writes. "He was forced to find circuitous means to persuade an isolationist America to join in a fight for freedomIt is easier to take a critical view of this policy a half century removed than to understand fully what went on in Roosevelt's mind in the year prior to Pearl Harbor." Day of Deceit is the definitive final chapter on America's greatest secret and our worst military disaster. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
