[CTRL] Draft Agency Files Notice to Request Record Matching With Dept. of Education
-Caveat Lector- 11/4/2004 Draft agency files notice to request record matching with Department of Education Filed under: General site admin @ 3:37 pm Email This Selective Service to match records with Education for compliance By John Byrne | RAW STORY Editor The Selective Service filed a notice in the federal register three days before the election to check the computer records of the Department of Education for compliance with a law that requires all students receiving federal financial aid to register for the draft, RAW STORY has learned. The notice, filed Oct. 28, was published today in the Federal Register. Former Reagan Assistant Defense Secretary Lawrence Korb, who now works at a progressive thinktank, downplayed the significance of the notice. He said that the law mandating financial aid students to register was put in place by a Democratic congress in the early 1980s, after many failed to register. Asked if he thought it gave any credence to rumors of a draft, he said, Not as far as I know, no. The purpose of this matching program is to ensure that the requirements of Section 12(f) of the Military Selective Service System Act, the notice reads. While not an unexpected request, in a time when Americans have been so worried about a draft that Congress had to pass legislation asserting a draft would not be reinstated, the request can only fuel increased speculation about a military draft plan for the war in Iraq. The New York Times reported last month that the military was exploring a medical draft in the event of a national security emergency. In addition, Section 12(f)(2) of the Military Selective Service System Act specifies that any person required to present himself for and submit to registration under Section 3 of the Military Selective Service System Act must file a statement with the institution of higher education where the personintends to attend or is attending that he is in compliance with the Military Selective Service System Act, the notice adds. Korb added that while not a procedure done annually, the Selective Service is required by law to ensure aid students are registered. I would imagine they would have to, he said. Under the law theyre required to ensure that people dont get financial aid if they havent registered. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ODY>
[CTRL] Draft of (Orwellian) VICTORY Act
-Caveat Lector- Libertythink EXCLUSIVE: Draft text of VICTORY Act Libertythink has obtained from Washington contacts a draft copy of the "Vital Interdiction of Criminal Terrorist Organizations Act of 2003," also known by the Orwellian sobriquet "VICTORY Act." Attorney General John Ashcroft is currently putting on a little road show to garner support for the bill, as well as for the USA PATRIOT Act, which had two of its more Draconian provisions targeted for defunding by the House of Representatives in late July. (Though it does contain similar provisions, the VICTORY Act is not the same bill as the Domestic Security Enhancement Act, popularly known as PATRIOT II, which was leaked in January.) The draft obtained by Libertythink is dated June 27, and word in the Beltway is that the VICTORY Act is still being retooled over the August recess before it is introduced in the Senate. Although this may not be the final form of the act, Libertythink encourages its readers to study the bill and hit Ashcroft with hard questions when and if he comes to your town. Measures in the 89-page draft include: Creation of a new category of crime called "Narco-terrorism." Radical expansion of asset forfeiture powers for the Departments of Justice and Homeland Security. Expansion of the definition of money-laundering to several kinds of transactions, including offshore banking as a means of tax evasion. Creation of a ludicrous new "crime" of "reverse money-laundering." Longer jail terms for a number of nonviolent drug and nondrug offenses. Expanded opportunities for judge-shopping in wiretap cases. Expansion of nonjudicial "administrative subpoenas" for "terrorism" investigations as broadly defined in the USA PATRIOT Act. . . . and that's just a partial listing. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Draft as Deterrent
-Caveat Lector- 03-18-2003 http://www.sftt.org/cgi-bin/csNews/csNews.cgi?database=Hacks% 20Target%2edbcommand=viewoneop=tid=6rnd=886.53564453125 Hack's Target: The Draft as Deterrent By David H. Hackworth If today's U.S. armed forces could count draftee airmen, sailors, soldiers and Marines among those who will soon be doing the dying during our second go at Saddam Hussein, you can bet good money that more American parents and grandparents would have been asking hard questions of their Washington pols long before the drumbeat of war became headline news. Important questions such as: Is this war really necessary? What national security threat does Iraq pose to the United States? Why can't we with a united world behind us disarm Iraq without war? Why the unilateral intervention? What are the projected costs and casualties, and is there an exit plan? But at long last, the realities of war have been brought home by massive global peace marches, gas prices spiraling into the stratosphere, the economy tanking alongside the Titanic and tens of thousands of reserve soldiers from every city in this great land neighbors, friends and workmates of the formerly disconnected being called to arms. Finally, millions of Americans are listening more carefully to a chorus of world leaders and a few gutsy national politicians righteously concerned about the consequences of the shootout in the desert. Except that with 230,000 of our warriors already staring down Saddam's cannons, this new consciousness might have come too late. I believe it's been far too easy for the vast majority of Americans to pay little or no attention to George W. Bush's march to war, because most folks pride and joy aren't prime candidates for body bags. And few average citizens have ongoing personal contact with a uniformed defender from the 1 million-plus regular warriors who make up our All-Volunteer Force (AVF). To them, our warriors are just uniforms they occasionally see floating around at airports or as background color in TV war dispatches. Most recruits in the AVF come from non-vocal, working-class families a disproportionate number from the poor and from minority groups while more privileged Americans are conspicuous by their absence. For example, the Congress that voted overwhelmingly for the military solution against Iraq includes only one member with a son whos an enlisted grunt. The rest, like the majority of Americans since the draft went south, no longer share directly in the sacrifice that comes with sending our youth to face the dragon. The poor join up because the job prospects on the outside are marginal. By going into the military, they learn a skill, gain the benefits of the GI Bill and get a better shot at the American dream. Meanwhile, teens from families with political punch read cash and/or clout are safely bunkered down at universities out of harms way. And when asked: Should we do Iraq? their answer is often a roaring Yes! But ask those same young aristo- hawks: Will you go and fight? and rarely does a Tommy Hilfiger-clad arm shoot up. When it comes to blood sports, they don't need to be taught that the spectators have it cushier than the gladiators. Just as if all Americans knew their kids would likely serve dead-center on the killing fields, there'd be far sharper focus on how our politicians are voting and a lot more calls for caution and careful consideration before we got out there in the sand and slapped leather. For sure, the draft would give us 20/20 vigilance. As the father of a reservist now in Kuwait recently said: I suspect once folks start thinking about their kids standing in the line of fire, they'll make a whole bunch of noise. When that happens, hopefully this insanity will stop. History has taught us that draftees serve this country well. Not only are they natural- born whistle-blowers who keep both the war-makers and the brass honest, but because their service keeps all our citizens more closely involved and invested, they are our bottom-line deterrent to war. Service in our country's ranks used to be widely accepted as the price of citizenship. So why not bring back the draft? Since so many of our leaders seem to be currently suffering from Empiritis, we'd all probably be better protected from this country- destroying disease if every American family shared the burden for defending our way of life. Http://www.hackworth.com is the address of David Hackworth's home page. Sign in for the free weekly Defending America column at his Web site. Send mail to P.O. Box 11179, Greenwich, CT 06831. 2003 David H. Hackworth. Forwarded for your information. The text and intent of the article have to stand on their own merits. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only.
[CTRL] Draft Bill Ruffles Hawks
-Caveat Lector- Hard Hitting Publications Mainstream Won't Dare To Touch! http://www.gooff.com/news/read.asp?ID=1753 Rangel's Military Draft Bill Ruffles Hawks' Feathers A New Year's Eve commentary in the New York Times, Bring Back the Draft, by Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.), the ranking Democrat on the Ways and Means Committee and a senior member of the Black Caucus, has the pro-Iraq war chicken-hawks, and their allies among the uniformed utopians up in arms. Rangel said he would introduce legislation to restore the military drafta promise on which he delivered on Jan. 7, the first day of the 108th Congress. Even before the bill was introduced, angry responses against Rangel, and against Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.), also a senior member of the Black Caucus, who supports the bill, appeared in the financier oligarchy's Wall Street Journal, accusing them of political opportunism and playing race politics; and came from Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, who implied that Rangel is ignorant of the matters of the professional military. Apparently, Rangel, who is a decorated Korean War veteran and, during the Vietnam War, was general counsel to the National Advisory Commission on Selective Service (the draft board), hit a nerve. Rangel's move was a welcome dose of reality, as a flood of daily headlines were chronicling the Rumsfeld-ordered deployments of U.S. troops to the Middle East, to take up positions that would be used in a war against Iraq. Well-informed Washington sources told EIR that the total of forces, already on location, combined with those deployments which have been announced and are planned for the immediate future, adds up to 100,000 American troopscombat and support. Behind the scenes in Washington, the sources said, complaints are growing that this deployment stretches the violation of separation of powers between the Executive and Congress on fighting a war, to the limit. Public criticism may break out, these sources said. Rangel's commentary has caused a furor among pro- war utopians, precisely because most of the war- mongers are chicken-hawks, who have no military experience, and who are in no danger of having their own children involved in a war. Rangel's article noted: President Bush and his Administration have declared a war against terrorism that may soon involve sending thousands of American troops into combat in Iraq. I voted against the Congressional resolution giving the President authority to carry out this war an engagement that would dwarf our military efforts to find Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice. But as a combat veteran of the Korean conflict, I believe that if we are going to send our children to war, the governing principle must be that of shared sacrifice Yet the Congress that voted overwhelmingly to allow the use of force in Iraq includes only one member who has a child in the enlisted ranks of the military I believe that if those calling for war knew that their children were likely to be required to serveand to be placed in harm's way there would be more caution and a greater willingess to work with the international community in dealing with Iraq. A renewed draft will help bring a greater appreciation of the consequences of decisions to go to war A disproportionate number of the poor and members of minority groups make up the enlisted ranks of the military, while the most privileged Americans are under-represented or absent We need to return to the tradition of the citizen soldierwith alternative national service required for those who cannot serve because of physical limitations or reasons of conscience (emphasis added). Blasting the Chicken-Hawks Rangel, who was awarded a Purple Heart and a Bronze Star for his service, went even further in several television and radio interviews on Jan. 3. Speaking on National Public Radio, he said, If indeed the President believes war is necessary in terms of our national welfare, then he has to believe that sacrifices have to be made, and those sacrifices have to be shared. We have to kick up a notch the sense of patriotism and the sense of obligation. When the host of NBC's Today Show asked, Are you talking of all those people in the higher echelon, all the way up to the top, not being aware of the cost of minorities? Are you saying that? Rangel replied: After you get past Colin Powell, they haven't the slightest clue as to the pain of war, the sacrifice of war. Wait a minute! the interviewer interrupted. You're talking about Donald Rumsfeld, the Defense Secretary. You're saying he doesn't have an idea of the cost, the pain of war? The President of the United States? Rangel responded: Well, when Rumsfeld gets on television and says, 'We can fight more than one war at a time; we can fight in North Korea; we can fight in Afghanistan; we can fight'when the President of the United States says, 'I've made a New Year's resolution to eat less cheeseburgers, and not to go to war in Iraq
[CTRL] Draft U.N. Report Indicates U.S. Cover-Up of Afghan Wedding Attack
-Caveat Lector- http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,58994,00.html Draft U.N. Report Indicates U.S. Cover-Up of Afghan Wedding Attack Monday, July 29, 2002 By Dumeetha Luthra KABUL, Afghanistan American forces may have breached human rights and then removed evidence after the so-called wedding party air strike that killed more than 50 Afghan civilians this month, according to a draft United Nations report seen by The Times. A preliminary U.N. investigation has found no corroboration of American claims that its aircraft were fired on from the ground, and says there were discrepancies in U.S. accounts of what happened. If the findings are upheld by a second, more detailed, U.N. investigation, they will cause huge embarrassment to the Pentagon. U.N. sources said that the findings pointed to an American cover-up, and suggested that American investigators were dragging their feet hoping that the issue would pass. The attack took place early on July 1 as American forces hunted pockets of Taliban and al Qaeda resistance. A U.S. gunship opened fire on targets around the village of Kakarak, and the casualties included 25 members of one family at a wedding party. A U.N. source said that the report was produced by a team of experienced and reputable U.N. people, who have been in the region a while and know it well. It states that there was clear evidence that human rights violations had taken place and that coalition forces had arrived on the scene very quickly after the airstrikes and cleaned the area, removing evidence of shrapnel, bullets and traces of blood. Women on the scene had their hands tied behind their backs. Investigators had found no weapons, no corroboration on the ground that the U.S. had been fired on, and that there were discrepancies between the various American accounts of what happened. In a prepared statement last night a U.N. spokesman in Afghanistan said that the report contained judgments that were not sufficiently substantiated, and that a comprehensive report was being finalized that would provide a more detailed and accurate picture. However, the statement added that the findings on the ground bear out the paramount necessity that such incidents do not recur, both from a humanitarian and political perspective. It called for an in-depth investigation [to] be carried out to ensure that such tragedies are not repeated; and that the protection of civilian lives becomes a primary concern in the fight against terrorism in Afghanistan. The wedding party raid was not the first U.S. air strike to kill Afghan civilians and it both angered President Karzai and has fueled anti-American sentiment in the country. A joint U.S.-Afghan team is investigating the strike, but nothing has been disclosed and no timescale has been given on when the findings will be made public. One U.N. official put it: The more it drags on, the harder it is to prove and probably the people investigating want it to go slowly and die away. Pentagon officials have said that cameras fixed to the AC-130's gun turrets showed gunfire coming from the ground, but the Pentagon has not released the film, as it has on previous occasions, preventing independent analysis of whether it was anti-aircraft artillery or celebratory rifle fire. The Pentagon declined to comment on the U.N. report, but said all matters arising from the incident were under consideration by U.S. Central Command and that charges against the servicemen involved had not been ruled out. But the Pentagon insisted it was too early for the U.S. to draw any conclusions because its investigative team had yet to start compiling its report. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Draft the Neo_Cons!!!
From 1 - http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2002/2913cincs_testfy.html 2 - http://www.defenselink.mil/execsec/adr95/budget_5.html Now when you look at the images, reflect on the fact that the cuts in the military began as a result of Poppy Bush's Dept of Offense (DoO) Sec'y's efforts. Bill Jeff came along and figured everything was gonna be all right. So, the CINCs are just stating what the numbers would otherwise say. Poppy's thousand points of light are the holes in the budget that his successor was able to point to as shrinking the government. Good job, Al!!! You too, Bill Jeff!!! A lot of what I post about war may seem like I am not pro-war, and I'm not. But realistically, should a war start, there will eventually be people you and I know who may be sent to pound the ground looking at caves and whatnot. A can-do attitude is nice but without the manpower and materiel, it don't mean nothin'. Junior's increases are not gonna instantly undo his daddy's lack of planning nor Bill Jeff's $$$billions to the Soviets. AER 1 - }}}Begin This article appears in the April 5, 2002 issue of Executive Intelligence Review. Military's CINCs Warn Congress on Iraq War by Carl Osgood During the 1990-91 Desert Shield-Desert Storm operation, the U.S. Air Force moved approximately 90,000 tons of cargo by air into Turkey and the Persian Gulf region, about 10% of the total moved by the all military forces. Though a huge operation, the job was simplified for the logisticians by the modern airports and seaports of Saudi Arabia and other countries, and the network of oil refineries and pipelines that provided a ready fuel supply for ground and air forces deployed in the region. The current campaign in Afghanistan, however, is a completely different story, as recent testimony in front of Congressional committees, as well as other accounts, tends to show. The logistics system supporting operations in Afghanistan is probably as stressed as it was in 1990-91, even though there are only about 5,000 U.S. troops in Afghanistan, plus some tens of thousands in neighboring countries and in ships in the Arabian Sea, as opposed to the 500,000 that were deployed for the war against Iraq. Afghanistan is a landlocked country, with poor roads and no railroads, destroyed by 23 years of war. Everything that American and other foreign forces need has to be flown in by air, even aviation and motor vehicle fuel. Add the draw- down of the U.S. military during the 1990s, and the collapse of the U.S. industrial economy, and the impossibility of launching other major operations beyond the war in Afghanistan becomes clear. 'Very Troubling' Testimony These realities, though ignored by factions pushing a prompt war to eliminate Saddam Hussein, have been reported to Congressional committees by senior military officers. Most recently, Adm. Dennis Blair, commander-in-chief of the Pacific Command, told the House Armed Services Committee on March 20, We do not have adequate forces to carry out our missions for the Pacific, if the operations in [Afghanistan] continue at their recent past and current pace. He, and Gen. Joseph Ralstonhead of European Command and NATO's Supreme Allied Commander, Europe were asked by the committee's ranking Democrat, Ike Skelton of Missouri, whether they had the forces they needed to carry out all of their current missions as well as a war against Iraq. Skelton found their answers very troubling. General Ralston told the committee, The answer to your question as you posed it is: I do not have the forces in EUCOM today to carry out these missions. I will come back to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and the Secretary of Defense and ask for additional forces. Then they are going to have to come up with a choice: Where are they going to take them away from? He added that I have not had a marine amphibious ready group since October of last year This is the primary unit that I use to evacuate Americans if there is a NATO operation taking place in one of those 91 countries [under his command]. And I don't believe I will have a marine amphibious ready group this year, other than just for a few days as they transit the Mediterranean. Likewise, Ralston said he has not had an aircraft carrier in many months. He has also sent AWACS radar surveillance aircraft to support operations in Southwest Asia. Admiral Blair's assessment was that there are shortages of naval forces, of intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance forces, in particular, that have to be made up for if we are to continue the current level of operations in the Central Command [which includes Afghanistan operations]. Asked by Rep. Jo Ann Davis (R-Va.) about the impact of retiring another aircraft carrier, Blair said that would require a shift to land-based air power, creating potential problems in the vast Pacific region. On March 5, he had told the Senate Armed Services Committee that the Afghanistan war had significantly reduced the limited
[CTRL] Draft Resistance Grows in Israel
-Caveat Lector- The Jewish Concience is not silenced. flw VILLAGE VOICE Week of August 22 - 28, 2001 -We don't cry, we don't shoot! To be murderers, we refuse! Draft Resistance Grows in Israel Refuseniks by Alisa Solomon JERUSALEM-We don't cry, we don't shoot! To be murderers, we refuse! Down the block from Orient House-the hub of Palestinian cultural and political activities in East Jerusalem until it was seized by Israel on August 10-Shai, 24, bangs a drum and chants. He is one of Israel's own Seattle generation of protesters. Demonstrating on August 14, along with some 300 longtime Israeli peaceniks and Palestinians from the Arab side of the city, Shai and his cadre demand the return of the building to its rightful owners, the sharing of Jerusalem, the end of the occupation. And for Shai, there is another message: draft resistance. His head nearly shaved, his chin dotted with soft whiskers, Shai beats out an increasingly urgent rhythm. The anti-military chant is especially meaningful to him, he explains later, because he refuses to honor his obligation to serve in the Israeli Defense Force (IDF). Like nearly a quarter of the tens of thousands of Israelis conscripted each year, he has found a way to dodge the draft. Shai likes the way the slogan invokes the controversial and contemptuous old saying about Israel's idea of itself as having an army of sensitive soldiers, who shoot first and then cry later because they'd really rather not be forced to do such terrible things. They don't need to fire in the first place, he says. The massing of tanks outside West Bank cities over the last few days, the ongoing assassinations of suspected militants, the demolition of homes and wells, the three decades of daily, degrading control of Palestinian lives: All of it confounds and disgusts him. Especially because, he maintains, it's gratuitous, weakening Israeli security more than strengthening it. Between September and March-the first six months of the current intifada-the number of reservists filing requests to defer their tour of duty doubled. These are fringe views to be sure, in a country that, despite its firepower, regards itself as besieged-and even more so in Shai's hometown, Bet Horon, a West Bank settlement. In the first opinion polls since the suicide bombings in Jerusalem and Haifa, reported in this week's Israeli press, 34 percent of Israelis applauded the current level of IDF force against Palestinians-and 42 percent called for more. Still, when it comes to putting one's own body on the line in pursuit of such policies-even at a time when fear has emptied intercity buses and given wispy young waitresses the added duty of searching customers' bags at café entrances-the consensus may be showing some cracks. According to the IDF, 22 percent of all Israeli males eligible for the draft (at age 18, into three years of basic service) are granted exemptions-an increase from 12 percent 20 years ago. Research collected by Israel's anti-militarist, feminist organization, New Profile, puts that number even a few points higher, and also shows that of those who do enlist, about a third find reason for early discharge. Meanwhile, the reserves, in which men must serve for about a month each year until their mid forties (the specific age depends on the type of unit they're in), are experiencing even greater attrition. The IDF reports that only one-third of all men eligible for reserve duty actually fulfill it. And 41 percent of that minority believe, according to a recent Israeli poll, that they are suckers for doing so. Between September and March-the first six months of the current intifada-the number of reservists filing requests to defer their tour of duty doubled. The IDF insists that these statistics do not represent a crisis in the readiness and solidity of Israel's famous people's army (though it did make preparations at the end of July to call up tens of thousands of reservists who are living abroad). And to be sure, most draft dodgers make no ideological declarations against the occupation and its tactics, but may simply want to get on with their lives. Still, some antioccupation activists see a tacit rejection of Israeli policy in the high numbers shirking their duty. These are what we call 'gray refuseniks,' explains Idan Landau, 34, a reservist who completed a two-week prison sentence at the end of July after explicitly refusing orders to serve in the West Bank as a matter of conscience. They fabricate some kind of medical or psychological condition to get out. It would be better, though, if they said why they refused to sacrifice their lives to play a part in the repression. Since this intifada started, some 200 soldiers like Landau have, indeed, said exactly why-and some have gone to
[CTRL] Draft-dodging rapist liar Clinton Uses IRS To Punish Critics
-Caveat Lector- (scroll slowly to the Main Post, so you don't miss these goodies) "FREE SPEECH! Use it, or lose it!" --- Ken Hamblin http://www.hamblin.com/ "Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?" --- Doug Quirmbach, Moderator The Awakening Lions List "The President...He is an unusually good liar." --- Sen. Kerry (D-Neb.) "Woe to those who decree unjust statutes and to those who continually record unjust decisions, to deprive the needy of justice, and to rob the poor of My people of their rights..." Isaiah 10 vs 1-2 "If a President of the United States ever lied to the American people, he should resign." --- Bill Clinton, July 1974 "The American people are tired of liars and people who pretend to be something they're not." --- Hillary Clinton - 1992 60 Minutes interview "In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." --- attr. George Orwell - July 1999 PUBLISHER'S PAGE My Open Letter To Mel White http://www.liberty.edu/chancellor/nlj/July1999/publisherspage1.htm (A gay minister named Mel White is circulating an open letter to Jerry Falwell, demanding that I stop preaching that homosexuality is sin. He says that he plans to circulate several such open letters. If I do not comply with his wishes, he then threatens to lead a Ghandi type movement against me nationally.) CHRISTIAN ACTIVISM Christians Must Remain Involved http://www.liberty.edu/chancellor/nlj/July1999/activism.htm WASHINGTON CONFIDENTIAL http://www.liberty.edu/chancellor/nlj/July1999/wc.htm THE GAY AGENDA It's Elementary: The New Gay Public Education Outreach http://www.liberty.edu/chancellor/nlj/July1999/Gay1.htm THE FAMILY Take Back America http://www.liberty.edu/chancellor/nlj/July1999/staver.htm Falwell: Take Back Our Children http://www.liberty.edu/chancellor/nlj/July1999/family1.htm We Need An Army of Attorneys To Take Back America http://www.liberty.edu/chancellor/nlj/July1999/staver2.htm SCHOOL VIOLENCE Father of Slain Student Tells Congress: "Leave NRA Alone" http://www.liberty.edu/chancellor/nlj/July1999/schoolviolence.htm SEXUAL POLITICS APA Apologizes Under Pressure Over 'Adult-Child Sex' Study http://www.liberty.edu/chancellor/nlj/July1999/sexualpolitics.htm THE MEDIA Listen America With Jerry Falwell http://www.liberty.edu/chancellor/nlj/July1999/themedia.htm THE CLINTON WHITE HOUSE Clinton Names Openly-Gay Hormel to Ambassador Post http://www.liberty.edu/chancellor/nlj/July1999/politics.htm THE ABORTION LEGACY The Big Cruel Lie http://www.liberty.edu/chancellor/nlj/July1999/abortion.htm === TA DA!! You finally reached the Main Post: Clinton Uses IRS To Punish Critics by Larry Klayman Judicial Watch Imagine you founded an organization dedicated to the preservation of basic principles upon which this country has thrived. Issues like individual freedom, personal responsibility, and ethics in journalism. Not horrible terms, and not even so much because you wanted to antagonize those who didn t share your view; rather, because you firmly believed in these principles as a means by which an orderly society should function. Imagine then if you lived under a government which didnt share your principles, and because they didnt, they decided -- as arbitrarily as you would choose a movie -- that they would send an investigatory body like the IRS into your offices to interrogate you without cause. Try to envision a group of these detached individuals camped in your office, rifling through your personal papers, admitting to you that it was a political inquiry, and then making claims to be compiled into formal charges against you. What you ve just heard is what the Western Journalism Center went through with its own government -- the Clinton Administration. Perhaps one of the most startling and disturbing accounts of the Nixon Presidency, beyond Water-gate itself, was Nixon, on tape, discussing with chilling detachment, plans to use the IRS to threaten political opponents. In 1974, this was a landmark and most egregious breach of the public trust. Today, despite the Clintons systematic testing of Americans threshold of tolerance, the song does, and must, remain the same. The story of the Western Journalism center started with a simple, if bulky, White House document and ended in a $10 million lawsuit filed by Judicial Watch against the IRS for abuse of power. Like any good story, it takes the requisite twists and turns, often leaving the viewer or reader befuddled as to how people placed in a position of trust can bring themselves to act as they do. The Communication Stream of Conspiracy Commerce, a 331-page manifesto
[CTRL] draft-dodging rapist May Send 7,000 Troops to Kosovo
-Caveat Lector- Wednesday June 2 2:06 PM ET US May Send 7,000 Troops to Kosovo Full Coverage NATO - Serbia War By BARRY SCHWEID AP Diplomatic Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - The military service chiefs will meet with President Clinton Thursday to discuss options in NATO's conflict with Yugoslavia, including the possible use of ground troops for a land invasion of Kosovo, Defense Secretary William Cohen said today. Members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff will discuss ``the whole range of issues ... including considerations about whether there should be or could be a ground option'' and whether NATO would support such a shift in strategy, Cohen told reporters. Responding to questions during a photo-taking session in his Pentagon office, Cohen said there are no firm plans for any use of ground forces in Kosovo beyond the enlarged peacekeeping force now in the works. And he said ``there is no other planning'' ready to be presented to Clinton on ground force options. Clinton, during a commencement address today at the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs, Colo., announced the United States would contribute 7,000 U.S. troops to some 50,000 international forces for Kosovo peacekeeping. The president, who has all but ruled out a ground invasion, urged Americans to stick behind the 10-week-old airstrike strategy. ``We cannot grow weary of this campaign because Mr. Milosevic did not capitulate when the first bombs fell,'' he said. ``If we have the patience and determination to match the courage and skill of the men and women in uniform we will achieve our goals.'' Clinton also noted the deployment this week of 68 additional U.S. aircraft for the air war. The planes are part of a 176-aircraft increase approved by Cohen on May 6. It includes a squadron of 12 F-16 fighters, two squadrons of F-15E attack planes and 20 air tankers. Officials have said the planes would be based in Turkey, although Pentagon officials declined to publicly confirm that. Some 16,000 NATO troops are now stationed in neighboring Macedonia and about 14,000 are to be added. On a visit here, Prime Minister Ljubco Georgievski said the Macedonian parliament had taken the position Macedonia should not be used for attacks on any of its neighbors. And, he said at a news conference after seeing Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, Greece, Hungary and Bulgaria have similar positions. However, Georgievski said, if NATO decides to invade, ``We will have to put it to the Macedonian parliament again.'' Georgievski, leader of the tiniest Balkans nation, appealed also for U.S. assistance. Albright, responding, said Congress already has approved $22 million in economic assistance and $15 million in technical aid. Cohen stressed that the administration and NATO are committed to continuing the air campaign and using ground troops in a peacekeeping role only after there is a peace agreement with Belgrade. Nonetheless, when pressed for details on Thursday's meeting, Cohen said, ``I'm sure there will be a full range of discussions, questions about whether or not there would be any kind of a ground option for a nonpermissive environment.'' He added that there is no NATO consensus for a ground invasion. White House spokesman Joe Lockhart said the focus of Clinton's meeting with his military advisers would be ``the air campaign and its effectiveness.'' ``You should not look at this as a decision meeting,'' Lockhart said, stressing the idea is simply to discuss all NATO options available. Other administration officials, meanwhile, said today that a U.S.-Russian plan for a new diplomatic overture to Yugoslavia has not resolved all differences on what kind of peacekeeping force would go into Kosovo, but Albright said there was ``sufficient agreement'' to move forward on the initiative. State Department spokesman James P. Rubin said it was ``an open question'' whether Russia would participate in sending peacekeepers under NATO command and with NATO at its core as demanded by the allies. But in a gesture to Moscow, Rubin said the Clinton administration would not object to adoption of a resolution by the United Nations to endorse the peacekeeping plan after a settlement to protect returning refugees. Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic previously had flatly rejected the plan and NATO's demands for a withdrawal of virtually all Serb troops from Kosovo. Russian mediator Viktor Chernomyrdin and President Martti Ahtisaari of Finland were going together to Belgrade today to present the new diplomatic initiative. The plan grew out of lengthy talks in Bonn, Germany, with Deputy Secretary of State Strobe Talbott, Chernomyrdin and Ahtisaari. ``We think the areas of agreement are sufficiently large to justify a joint trip,'' Rubin said. ``The ball clearly is in Mr. Milosevic's court.'' Chernomyrdin said NATO troops will be under NATO command, while the Russian troops will be controlled by the Russian command. Talbott, speaking later, said the Western alliance
[CTRL] draft-dodging waco killer orders 9,000 purple hearts
-Caveat Lector- "FREE SPEECH! Use it, or lose it!" --- Ken Hamblin http://www.hamblin.com/ 9,000 PURPLE HEARTS - THAT'S AN ORDER By STEVE DUNLEAVY LEE GRAVES this week got some good news for his business, but not very good news for soldiers. "On Wednesday, we got the official order to make 9,000 Purple Hearts," he told me from Tomball, Texas. Purple Hearts are awarded to servicemen and women who are wounded in the zone of hostility during war. But we are not fighting a war, according to Bill Clinton, we are just "degrading" Slobo's war machine. OK. Then why in good God's name are we making Purple Hearts if we are not in a war and we don't expect casualties? "I was a little surprised to get that big an order from the Defense Logistics Agency," said Graves, boss of medal-making Graco Industries. "I have been producing medals and campaign ribbons for 20 years and never have I been asked by the Defense Department to come up with a Purple Heart. "But 9,000 Purple Hearts. Yes, well I am surprised." The order is stone-dead cold, according to Lee, a Good Ol' Boy who has done his time in the trenches of foreign wars. "I think I am right - they [Washington] want 1,400 Purple Hearts for November, 1,400 for December, 1,600 for January, 1,600 for February, 1,600 for March and 1,400 for April." Unless we have a war, why would the Defense Department be asking for Purple Hearts? "Off the top of my head, I am guessing that 9,000 would be about 10 percent casualties of our being there. Wounded, I pray. That sounds right. I sure hope nobody gets killed." So, even though Clinton has always told us that ground troops would never be an option and he announced it to Slobodan Milosevic, guess what. Well, the Pentagon must think otherwise. I called Christina Di Memmo, the public-affairs officer at the Defense Logistics Agency in Philadelphia, which is the groundhog for Pentagon buying. "I am not the person to give an official response," she said politely. If I can't get a comment from an official spokesperson, then who can I get to talk? Dutifully, she called back later and said, "We are simply maintaining the quantity of supply." Nobody wanted 9,000 Purple Hearts last year. Bill Clinton isn't taking my calls today. Silly Billy. Now, if Silly Billy for once in his life is playing good poker with Slobbo, and not tipping his mitt, I will, for once in my life, applaud him. But if the Pentagon is saying, "Screw this draft-dodging mook, we are going in, ground troops and all," then it tells us the measure of Clinton's intelligence. William Kristol, editor of The Weekly Standard, told a packed New York Post breakfast forum on Tuesday: "There will be U.S. troops in Kosovo by November." Whether his "Kristol Ball" is better than mine or whether he knew about 9,000 Purple Hearts being ordered, I don't know. But I do know what Lee Graves says honestly: "For 20 years, we have been making medals and ribbons for the armed services. "We have never been requested to make Purple Hearts for the armed forces. Never. Truthfully, I hope they are not needed." Yep, I think we are going in. Better to kill the killers than bomb the living daylights out of innocent civilians who are the descendants, as Henry Kissinger said, of people who stood by us in two world wars and spat in Hitler's face. New York Post®, nypostonline.com, nypost.com and newyorkpost.com are registered trademarks of NYP Holdings, Inc. Copyright 1999 NYP Holdings, Inc. All rights reserved. "No blood for blow jobs" --a placard "Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death" (James 1:15). Stealing is an insensitivity to the importance of another human being and their privilege of their will, plus their right to use their will as they choose, and/or their individual success or rightful place in society." (^) Bard (^) Passionate Charter Member of the International Society of Clinton-haters, and the Organization for the Defense of the Republic from the Evils of Marxist Socialism/Communism. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at:
Re: [CTRL] Draft dodging, War monger Liberals
-Caveat Lector- can you please stop defining a political belief by it's poltician's? i really hate it when people do this. because Clinton (who i have absolutely no respect for, incidentally) calls himself a liberal does not necessarily mean he is one, it is merely another lie. i would've thought you'd have figured out that the idea of him being a libertarian was just another one of his endless stream of lies. btw, about the british labour party, i'd hardly call the leadership and all the faithful little Blairites the 'leading lights', Tony Benn has come out very strongly against the war. When people condemn one pointless war, and encourage a different, even more pointless war which has all the makings of a large regional conflict or even a world war, this means that they are merely liars. liars should not be defined as 'libertarian' or 'conservative' or 'socialist', they should be defined as only one thing, 'liar'. although the label of politician would do equally well Where have all the Western liberals gone? Nearly two weeks into NATO's war against Serbia, there is barely a whimper of protest in either Europe or North America. But then you can't expect Western peaceniks to protest against a war they themselves are waging. Nearly eight years ago, the U.S. Democrats came very close to denying the President, Mr. George Bush, the authority to wage a war against Iraq's Mr. Saddam Hussein. But now it is a Democrat in the White House who is pursuing an open-ended war in the Balkans. In Britain, many leading lights of the Labour Party and the Left had strongly protested against the Gulf War. Now a Labour Prime Minister, Mr. Tony Blair, is among the NATO hawks on Kosovo. The reversal of attitudes towards war and peace among liberals is most visible in Germany, where the ruling alliance of Social Democrats and pacifist Greens has ordered the German bombers into combat for the first time since the end of Second World War. Until recently, German public opinion refused to endorse the participation of German armed forces even in international peace- keeping missions, given the sensitivities arising from the Nazi past. But now there is strong support in Germany for the war against Serbia. In France, where the intelligentsia traditionally revelled in opposing American "Cowboy imperialism", is backing the war against Serbia. The French Government, which had been promoting the idea of a "multipolar world" is now firmly with the United States in the Balkan war. The conservative French President, Mr. Jacques Chirac, and Socialist Prime Minister, Mr. Lionel Jospin, have set aside political differences and the traditional suspicion of the NATO to line up behind the bombing of Belgrade. Although there is some unease in Europe -- particularly among the former Communists and in Greece -- at the unfolding war in the Balkans, the measure of political unity that has emerged in the Continent against Serbia is unprecedented. A war started by the Western liberals in the Balkans has now gained strong support from the conservatives -- of course, for entirely different reasons. The liberals have always recoiled at the idea of going to war in pursuit of such crass objectives as balance of power, geopolitics, or securing valuable natural resources such as oil. The European liberals were particularly irked by what they saw as attempts by the U.S. to drag their nations, through the NATO, into such wars. They see the war in the Balkans, however, as being driven not by narrow national interests but by the moral imperative of preventing "genocide", "ethnic cleansing" and the return of "barbarism" to Europe. Although many in the world may not share this view, there is no denying the strength of this belief in Europe, and the absence of any sympathy for the Serb point of view. When the Balkan crisis began to unfold at the turn of the 1990s, the then U.S. President, Mr. Bush, was extremely reluctant to get involved. Despite the fact that he had successfully waged the Gulf War in the name of a "New world Order", Mr. Bush was determined not to repeat the adventure in the Balkans. Mr. Bush and other American conservative internationalists seemed to say "we don't have dog in that fight". With no conceivable geopolitical interest in the Balkans, the Bush Administration was quite happy to leave it to the European powers to manage the crisis. It was the American liberals who challenged the Republican policy of benign neglect and kept up the demand for a U.S. military intervention. In his election campaign against Mr. Bush, Mr. Clinton attacked the American inaction in the Balkans. But when he took over as President, Mr. Clinton was equally wary of being drawn into the Balkan quagmire. But as the European efforts failed and the political pressure from the liberals mounted, Mr. Clinton got the U.S. inextricably entangled into the conflict by the mid- 1990s.
Re: [CTRL] Draft dodging, War monger Liberals
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 4/12/99 7:31:55 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Where have all the Western liberals gone? Nearly two weeks into NATO's war against Serbia, there is barely a whimper of protest in either Europe or North America. But then you can't expect Western peaceniks to protest against a war they themselves are waging. Nearly eight years ago, the U.S. Democrats came very close to denying the President, Mr. George Bush, the authority to wage a war against Iraq's Mr. Saddam Hussein. But now it is a Democrat in the White House who is pursuing an open-ended war in the Balkans. In Britain, many leading lights of the Labour Party and the Left had strongly protested against the Gulf War. Now a Labour Prime Minister, Mr. Tony Blair, is among the NATO hawks on Kosovo. The reversal of attitudes towards war and peace among liberals is most visible in Germany, where the ruling alliance of Social Democrats and pacifist Greens has ordered the German bombers into combat for the first time since the end of Second World War. Until recently, German public opinion refused to endorse the participation of German armed forces even in international peace- keeping missions, given the sensitivities arising from the Nazi past. But now there is strong support in Germany for the war against Serbia. In France, where the intelligentsia traditionally revelled in opposing American "Cowboy imperialism", is backing the war against Serbia. The French Government, which had been promoting the idea of a "multipolar world" is now firmly with the United States in the Balkan war. The conservative French President, Mr. Jacques Chirac, and Socialist Prime Minister, Mr. Lionel Jospin, have set aside political differences and the traditional suspicion of the NATO to line up behind the bombing of Belgrade. Although there is some unease in Europe -- particularly among the former Communists and in Greece -- at the unfolding war in the Balkans, the measure of political unity that has emerged in the Continent against Serbia is unprecedented. A war started by the Western liberals in the Balkans has now gained strong support from the conservatives -- of course, for entirely different reasons. The liberals have always recoiled at the idea of going to war in pursuit of such crass objectives as balance of power, geopolitics, or securing valuable natural resources such as oil. The European liberals were particularly irked by what they saw as attempts by the U.S. to drag their nations, through the NATO, into such wars. They see the war in the Balkans, however, as being driven not by narrow national interests but by the moral imperative of preventing "genocide", "ethnic cleansing" and the return of "barbarism" to Europe. Although many in the world may not share this view, there is no denying the strength of this belief in Europe, and the absence of any sympathy for the Serb point of view. I'm a liberal and I agree with this article. We're through the Looking Glass now. Lawmakers I have admired are on TV saying we must do whatever is needed to win this. Senators who were opposed to Viet Nam (not to mention a President who passionately opposed Viet Nam) are "championing" the cause of the KLA and the Kosavars. I am beginning to wonder if the ridiculous basis for impeachement was a ruse to arouse the disgust of thoughtful people and bind them in loyalty to the "victim" president so we would be loyal to him while he uses our huge military force to decimate cities and people during this "humanitarian" mission. Imagine the likes of me calling Trent Lott and Jesse Helms to thank them for their opposition to this NATO action. Imagine the likes of me vowing never to use the name "Kennedy" and the word "humanitarian" in the same sentence again, except to point out that he ISN'T one. The doves have become hawks and the hawks doves. The country has gone mad. Samm DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory
[CTRL] Draft dodging, War monger Liberals
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3709d42e77ce.htm Kosovo: the liberals' war -- By C. Raja Mohan The Hindu NEW DELHI, April 5. Where have all the Western liberals gone? Nearly two weeks into NATO's war against Serbia, there is barely a whimper of protest in either Europe or North America. But then you can't expect Western peaceniks to protest against a war they themselves are waging. Nearly eight years ago, the U.S. Democrats came very close to denying the President, Mr. George Bush, the authority to wage a war against Iraq's Mr. Saddam Hussein. But now it is a Democrat in the White House who is pursuing an open-ended war in the Balkans. In Britain, many leading lights of the Labour Party and the Left had strongly protested against the Gulf War. Now a Labour Prime Minister, Mr. Tony Blair, is among the NATO hawks on Kosovo. The reversal of attitudes towards war and peace among liberals is most visible in Germany, where the ruling alliance of Social Democrats and pacifist Greens has ordered the German bombers into combat for the first time since the end of Second World War. Until recently, German public opinion refused to endorse the participation of German armed forces even in international peace- keeping missions, given the sensitivities arising from the Nazi past. But now there is strong support in Germany for the war against Serbia. In France, where the intelligentsia traditionally revelled in opposing American "Cowboy imperialism", is backing the war against Serbia. The French Government, which had been promoting the idea of a "multipolar world" is now firmly with the United States in the Balkan war. The conservative French President, Mr. Jacques Chirac, and Socialist Prime Minister, Mr. Lionel Jospin, have set aside political differences and the traditional suspicion of the NATO to line up behind the bombing of Belgrade. Although there is some unease in Europe -- particularly among the former Communists and in Greece -- at the unfolding war in the Balkans, the measure of political unity that has emerged in the Continent against Serbia is unprecedented. A war started by the Western liberals in the Balkans has now gained strong support from the conservatives -- of course, for entirely different reasons. The liberals have always recoiled at the idea of going to war in pursuit of such crass objectives as balance of power, geopolitics, or securing valuable natural resources such as oil. The European liberals were particularly irked by what they saw as attempts by the U.S. to drag their nations, through the NATO, into such wars. They see the war in the Balkans, however, as being driven not by narrow national interests but by the moral imperative of preventing "genocide", "ethnic cleansing" and the return of "barbarism" to Europe. Although many in the world may not share this view, there is no denying the strength of this belief in Europe, and the absence of any sympathy for the Serb point of view. When the Balkan crisis began to unfold at the turn of the 1990s, the then U.S. President, Mr. Bush, was extremely reluctant to get involved. Despite the fact that he had successfully waged the Gulf War in the name of a "New world Order", Mr. Bush was determined not to repeat the adventure in the Balkans. Mr. Bush and other American conservative internationalists seemed to say "we don't have dog in that fight". With no conceivable geopolitical interest in the Balkans, the Bush Administration was quite happy to leave it to the European powers to manage the crisis. It was the American liberals who challenged the Republican policy of benign neglect and kept up the demand for a U.S. military intervention. In his election campaign against Mr. Bush, Mr. Clinton attacked the American inaction in the Balkans. But when he took over as President, Mr. Clinton was equally wary of being drawn into the Balkan quagmire. But as the European efforts failed and the political pressure from the liberals mounted, Mr. Clinton got the U.S. inextricably entangled into the conflict by the mid- 1990s. The Balkans have became the new testing ground for the convictions of postmodern liberal internationalism in the West. Since the end of the Cold War, liberal internationalists have been the strongest champions of Western intervention in the internal affairs of other nations in pursuit of universal values. Discarding the earlier distrust of interventionary policies, induced by the Vietnam war, the liberals now sought to mobilise Western state power to set right every wrong in the world -- from human rights to environmental standards and from religious freedom to sexual orientation. Whether it was to save failing States in Somalia or Haiti, or the promotion of democracy in China and Myanmar, the liberals called for greater American activism through use of either military force or
[CTRL] Draft
-Caveat Lector- From what I understand Many organizations realize that there are things that will contribute to AIDS, ADD, ADHD, and Diabetes. This draft not only covers those that have obvious reactions to things but as a (possible) leap board to regulate the drug/chemical industry. Called pharmasudical but they also make many of the chemicals that we spread on our lawns and farmers spread on the crops. In trying to get out of this (some) are trying to say that they can do these things with genetics instead. This might allow the labeling of genetically modified food in the supermarket as well. Why? If the EPA and the FDA get together they if people react to something then it will be able to be regulated. Think of Peanuts. Yet if this goes through without enough comments, that potential may be down the drain. My web page is cut and paste (on purpose) so that it is easily printed and all links will show. Take what you need but the essays are mine. Will put in something about the fact that I will allow them to be used for research purposes. I eventually want to make some money from writing, but I am too busy with this to even apply anyplace. Any way that is why all the essays will be on other pages. I will endeavor to keep the main page for information and research only. If anyone sees something that seems to be off line on the main page - please drop me a line because even once the deadline for this draft is done, the work has just started. Laura aka The Pied Piper *Forwarded* Hi everyone, Seems like eons since I have had the company of the list. I had terminal problems with my NEW Micron computer and after much discussion they have replaced the defective one. If MSN can handle the email from the list I should be up and going again. I have reviewed the ATSDR REPORT and the responses on enviroknow and notice that no one is responding to the bullet that will kill--that is-- RISK/BENEFIT at the end of the report. This very deadly line has allowed endangered species to drift into extinction, and that would include the chemically poisoned/injured. When the government slaps this designation on ANYTHING it is a death sentence and would require that over 51% of the population be officially recognized to be affected negatively by chemicals in order for anything to be done. Currently, the deck is stacked (erroneously) toward the BENEFIT of chemicals. After Vietnam's Agent Orange and Gulf War Syndrome and the resultant warfare waged by the Pentagon against its own personnel, who are considered as acceptable costs of waging war (chemically injured humans/other creatures are considered acceptable costs of "doing business in america"), one can conclude that our pleas for justice fall on a soul-less government's deaf ears. My graduate degrees are in environmental philosophy and the study of environmental degradation on humans. Perhaps the public at large is not aware of the dangers of the RISK/BENEFIT paradigm. The RISK/BENEFIT paradigm is invoked to insure a win, and though it deliberately takes up a very small part of the Report, it carries the most weight. In order to defeat the R/B paradigm, the scales must tip to more people being recognized at RISK from chemicals and unfortunately the uninformed public prances around in their usual delusional brain fog that any danger exists and that the FDA, EPA, and other LMNOP's will warn us of problems. Dream on. The chemical poisoners spend billions to lull the masses into a false sense of security regarding their products. It is odd that illnesses such as AIDS are known worldwide, and are indeed very horrendous, but AIDS pales in ubiquity to MCS or however the "THEY" have chosen to label chemical poisoning. In a just society the public is warned of "clear and present" dangers--but in our society we are told that the public should not be "alarmed." If anyone would like to join me in a response that addresses the R/B part of the report let me know. I am sickened by the medical professions, governmental agencies, and chemical manufacturers refusal to address our rights to the "pursuit of life liberty and happiness" many of us have lost all three. Our civil rights are being violated and perhaps we need to address this issue from another angle--my 27 years of chemically destoryed life has taught me which battles to fight wherein at least I may have a chance to be victorious and try to live the rest of my life in a fashion other than fight for survival. Mad Mag *End of Forwarded* To any that are intrested these links are at the top of my home page and the draft closes on the 15 of Dec. Laura -- my ICQ# 14484977 Education: A House of Mirrors http://members.xoom.com/ThePiedPiper/Intro2.htm Legislation and what we are allowing by Letting our children be labeled as only ADD or ADHD http://www.cec.sped.org/faq/gt-ld.htm (New 16 Oct 98) 3) Uncover Myths in Education Myth 1 That Home Schoolers Need to be under the