[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Eli Lilly's Sarafem -- same as Prozac?

2001-04-17 Thread Amelia

-Caveat Lector-

So you want to post an article and then control the response
to it?  Good luck!  My response stands as this practice is
totally standard in the drug industry and has been for as
long as I can remember.  Is the fact that the Bush company
own stock in Eli Lily supposed to have some dire and dark
meaning?  Guess what?  So do hundreds of thousands of other
people. I think I still have 10 shares in a mutual fund
myself.  They hardly ever consult me for advice on their
marketing practices, however, and I do not think they
consult the Bush family, either.

But even if they were to do so, the fact that you think this
is news speaks volumes of your own lack of insight.
Remember when Motrin was for arthritis?  Soon as the patent
ran out, it became 'useful' for other forms of pain.  This
is done with virtually EVERY drug.  It is nothing new and it
has nothing whatsoever to do with the Bush family.  That is
like blaming them for the concept of making a profit.  The
conspiracy is with the drug companies and it is with every
one of them and with every drug.  RD does not stop with the
acquisition of a patent.  Other and ever more varied
applications of the drug continue to be sought.  This is one
of the reasons and one of the ways the drug industries
fleece the people, especially in this country. I suspect we
pay the RD on most drugs with the rest of the world reaping
the benefits minus this added expense.  Even inventing a new
illness to treat is not new and in the past, normal
conditions have been made pathologic so as to apply the drug
in question.

But c is correct in that he replied to an earlier response
along the same line.  Sorry you did not get the one you
wanted but this is an old practice by an old and engrained
pharmaceutical industry.  I would have thought you might
have appreciated the bit of humor but guess not.  The fact
that you chose to 'scold' us for it and imply that we are
too stupid to read was, however, totally unwarranted. You
might want to research the uniqueness of your own post
before being quite so demanding.
Amelia


- Original Message -
From: "Linda Minor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Eli Lilly's Sarafem -- same as Prozac?


 -Caveat Lector-

 The replies to the posted article are totally
nonresponsive.  The point is
 that the "legal" drug company that the Bush family is
invested in is about
 to lose its patent rights on Prozac--which can be sold
generically.  So the
 company has invented a new illness to be treated with a
"new" drug with a
 new brand name other than Prozac, but with exactly the
same ingredients.
 The point is to market this drug with higher prices than
could be achieved
 if the public knew that they could buy it at generic
prices.  And the
 illness is NOT called PMS.  Reread the article, if you are
able to read.


 -Original Message-
 From: c. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Friday, April 13, 2001 2:19 AM
 Subject: Re: [CTRL] Eli Lilly's Sarafem -- same as Prozac?


 -Caveat Lector-
 
 *mwahp*
 you are sweet, amelia, it is great to know that someone
appreciates my,
 erm,
 charms ;) but what is more amazing is that you replied
with the exact same
 smartass answer as EXs 2, 3 and 4 when told the same same
joke about ex #1.
 then 1 and 2, then 1 and 2 and 3...
 *miaeow* erm, bebby.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: "Amelia" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 5:31 AM
 Subject: Re: [CTRL] Eli Lilly's Sarafem -- same as
Prozac?
 
 
  -Caveat Lector-
 
  I am pretty sure it is just you, c.  I can understand
how
  that could happen, given your charming personality.
  amelia
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  Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 11:09 AM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Eli Lilly's Sarafem -- same as
Prozac?
 
 
   -Caveat Lector-
  
   mmm, most of my ex's convinced me pms is a 24 day
event
  followed by 4 days
   of "don't touch me i have cramps, damnit, men,
pah..."
   or is that just me?
 
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Re: [CTRL] Eli Lilly's Sarafem -- same as Prozac?

2001-04-13 Thread c.

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*mwahp*
you are sweet, amelia, it is great to know that someone appreciates my, erm,
charms ;) but what is more amazing is that you replied with the exact same
smartass answer as EXs 2, 3 and 4 when told the same same joke about ex #1.
then 1 and 2, then 1 and 2 and 3...
*miaeow* erm, bebby.

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From: "Amelia" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 5:31 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Eli Lilly's Sarafem -- same as Prozac?


 -Caveat Lector-

 I am pretty sure it is just you, c.  I can understand how
 that could happen, given your charming personality.
 amelia
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 Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 11:09 AM
 Subject: Re: [CTRL] Eli Lilly's Sarafem -- same as Prozac?


  -Caveat Lector-
 
  mmm, most of my ex's convinced me pms is a 24 day event
 followed by 4 days
  of "don't touch me i have cramps, damnit, men, pah..."
  or is that just me?

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Re: [CTRL] Eli Lilly's Sarafem -- same as Prozac?

2001-04-13 Thread Linda Minor

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The replies to the posted article are totally nonresponsive.  The point is
that the "legal" drug company that the Bush family is invested in is about
to lose its patent rights on Prozac--which can be sold generically.  So the
company has invented a new illness to be treated with a "new" drug with a
new brand name other than Prozac, but with exactly the same ingredients.
The point is to market this drug with higher prices than could be achieved
if the public knew that they could buy it at generic prices.  And the
illness is NOT called PMS.  Reread the article, if you are able to read.


-Original Message-
From: c. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, April 13, 2001 2:19 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Eli Lilly's Sarafem -- same as Prozac?


-Caveat Lector-

*mwahp*
you are sweet, amelia, it is great to know that someone appreciates my,
erm,
charms ;) but what is more amazing is that you replied with the exact same
smartass answer as EXs 2, 3 and 4 when told the same same joke about ex #1.
then 1 and 2, then 1 and 2 and 3...
*miaeow* erm, bebby.

- Original Message -
From: "Amelia" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 5:31 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Eli Lilly's Sarafem -- same as Prozac?


 -Caveat Lector-

 I am pretty sure it is just you, c.  I can understand how
 that could happen, given your charming personality.
 amelia
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 From: "c." [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 11:09 AM
 Subject: Re: [CTRL] Eli Lilly's Sarafem -- same as Prozac?


  -Caveat Lector-
 
  mmm, most of my ex's convinced me pms is a 24 day event
 followed by 4 days
  of "don't touch me i have cramps, damnit, men, pah..."
  or is that just me?

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Re: [CTRL] Eli Lilly's Sarafem -- same as Prozac?

2001-04-13 Thread c.

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From: "Linda Minor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Eli Lilly's Sarafem -- same as Prozac?


 -Caveat Lector-

 The replies to the posted article are totally nonresponsive.

the above doesn't make sense. the replies in the thread were and cannot be
considered anything other than responses. , are you making a comment on
their worth maybe? but oh, please *do* explain why it does actually make
sense.

  The point is
 that the "legal" drug company that the Bush family is invested in is about
 to lose its patent rights on Prozac--which can be sold generically.  So
the
 company has invented a new illness to be treated with a "new" drug with a
 new brand name other than Prozac, but with exactly the same ingredients.
 The point is to market this drug with higher prices than could be achieved
 if the public knew that they could buy it at generic prices.

well- that is all very worthwhile and interesting and stuff- i agree that it
is awful the things corps do to make a buck, but when i came into the thread
i was making cheap jokes about PMS because someone had made an equally cheap
joke about PMS and it was to that thread i was replying. so i think, if you
read back a bit before condemning the copnsistency of the dialogue, you may
find that the replies are, surprisingly within context of the conversation
that was developing.


 And the
 illness is NOT called PMS.  Reread the article, if you are able to read.

oh deary... see above for an explanation of why PMS came into the thread, in
fact re-read the thread. and then ask yourself why you posted such
patronising, insulting, arrogant and *just plain wrong* comment at the end
of your mail. it actually brings your own reading skills into question.
if it is the fact that threads often develop and mutate into other
conversations (much like, duh, normal spoken conversations) that is bugging
you then all i can say is erm, tough... like it or lump it. personally, i
think it is interesting the way things go.
but really- why get wound up in the first place?- by condemning others for
being stupid (without checking your facts first) you make yourself look
stupider still.
oh yeah, and humourless.

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Re: [CTRL] Eli Lilly's Sarafem -- same as Prozac?

2001-04-12 Thread Amelia

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I am pretty sure it is just you, c.  I can understand how
that could happen, given your charming personality.
amelia
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Subject: Re: [CTRL] Eli Lilly's Sarafem -- same as Prozac?


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 mmm, most of my ex's convinced me pms is a 24 day event
followed by 4 days
 of "don't touch me i have cramps, damnit, men, pah..."
 or is that just me?

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Re: [CTRL] Eli Lilly's Sarafem -- same as Prozac?

2001-04-08 Thread Tenorlove

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Personally, I'd rather have a pill that GIVES me PMS the other 24 days
of the cycle... Think of the fun I could have inflicting my moods
on my family and friends! wicked grin

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Re: [CTRL] Eli Lilly's Sarafem -- same as Prozac?

2001-04-08 Thread c.

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mmm, most of my ex's convinced me pms is a 24 day event followed by 4 days
of "don't touch me i have cramps, damnit, men, pah..."
or is that just me?

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 Personally, I'd rather have a pill that GIVES me PMS the other 24 days
 of the cycle... Think of the fun I could have inflicting my moods
 on my family and friends! wicked grin

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[CTRL] Eli Lilly's Sarafem -- same as Prozac?

2001-04-07 Thread Linda Minor

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http://www.insightmag.com/archive/200104301.shtml
Misleading Medicine




By Kelly Patricia O’Meara
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Pharmaceutical giant Eli Lilly is promoting Sarafem as a miracle pill for
women suffering from PMDD, a ‘mental disorder’ not yet proved to exist. What
’s more, Eli Lilly admits that Sarafem has the same active ingredient as
Prozac, complete with the same dangerous side effects.

Australian-born singer Helen Reddy’s 1972 hit song “I Am Woman” has been
called a feminist battle hymn. Many a male disc jockey at the time refused
to air it until the song became part of the soundtrack to a movie and
catapulted to the top of the Billboard charts. Taking a look at the song
today, it’s hard to imagine the furor generated by the lyrics from the lady
down under:
   “Oh, yes, I am wise, but it’s wisdom born of pain.
   “Yes, I’ve paid the price, but look how much I gained.
   “If I have to I can do anything.
   “I am strong. I am invincible. I am woman.”
   Nearly three decades since the release of this feminist anthem the
lyrics neither threaten nor offend — if they ever did — but seem to
acknowledge pride in feminine strength. As if it needed to be said,
historians agree on the significance of women in the building of this
nation. The Jamestown settlement, for instance, was a disaster and on the
brink of failure until women were added to the new colony. The West was won
by men and women working side by side, and the United States triumphed over
its enemies in World War II with the help of nearly 500,000 women in the
ranks and millions more in the factories.
   Not surprisingly, women achieved these feats completely unaware that
a few days out of each month they were suffering from a mental disorder.
That’s right. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) recently approved the
use of Sarafem (fluoxetine) for women suffering from a mental disorder just
three or four days a month — in the “luteal phase” or just before the onset
of menses.
   This “mental disorder” — which the American Psychiatric Association
(APA) has not yet accepted, but which is listed in the appendix of the APA’s
Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV) — is called
premenstrual dysphoric disorder, or PMDD. It’s a new-and-improved version of
premenstrual syndrome (PMS), which also has not made it to the hit parade of
the official APA list of mental illnesses. The fact that PMDD is listed only
in the diagnostic manual’s appendix reflects the APA’s desire for further
research before accepting it as a full-fledged mental disorder.
   According to the DSM-IV and the FDA, a woman must experience five or
more symptoms before the diagnosis can be made. The unofficial mental
disorder is said to be characterized by the following symptoms:


Markedly depressed mood

Marked anxiety

Marked affectivity

Decreased interest in activities

Feeling sad, hopeless or self-deprecating

Feeling tense, anxious or “on edge”

Persistent irritability, anger and increased interpersonal conflicts

Feeling fatigued, lethargic or lacking in energy

Marked changes in appetite

A subjective feeling of being overwhelmed or out of control

Physical symptoms such as breast tenderness, swelling or bloating.

   Eli Lilly and Co., the Indianapolis-based pharmaceutical company that
makes Sarafem, has been marketing the “new” treatment with such gusto that
there are jokes about the company exhibiting obsessive-compulsive disorder.
It seems there isn’t a magazine to be picked up or a channel to be surfed
that isn’t running a Sarafem advertisement.
   These ads show women expressing many things. One TV spot depicts a
woman trying to button her slacks and looking angry and agitated. Another
scene shows a woman snapping at her husband, “Just leave me alone,” while
still another involves a woman slumped on the couch sobbing. Then there is
the slogan: “Sarafem — More like the woman you are.”
   Lilly reports in its ads that now, “Doctors can treat PMDD with
Sarafem — the first and only prescription medication for PMDD.” The ad
further states that, “Sarafem contains fluoxetine hydrochloride, the same
active ingredient found in Prozac.” But both Sarafem and Prozac are
fluoxetine hydrochloride. According to Laura Miller, marketing associate for
Eli Lilly, “Fluoxetine hydrochloride is the same active ingredient in
Sarafem as in Prozac.” Again and again Insight asked, “Then is it the same
thing?” Again and again Miller only repeated that the two identical doses of
fluoxetine hydrochloride have the same active ingredient.
   Miller refused to acknowledge that Sarafem is just Prozac repackaged,
or that the pill color was changed from green to feminine pink and lavender
to market it for a not-yet-approved “mental disorder” that never before