Re: [CTRL] FDR Unmasked
-Caveat Lector- In all my research on WWII I have never heard of this. At the beginning of the war German agents did infiltrate the country (some were landed on the Jersey coast, some in Florida/the Gulf coast(?) ) but they never got far. The Jersey landings were discovered by a shore patrol unit and the agents themselves were not very good spies. They were either Germans who had emigrated to America or Americans of German descent. Off the top of my head I can remember two groups, one went to Chicago to get organized, ended up spending a lot of their supplied money on clothing and female companionship and got drunk in the neighborhood bars and spoke of their mission. The other went to NYC and did something similar. -- From: Damian B. Cooper Reply To: Conspiracy Theory Research List Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 11:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] FDR Unmasked -Caveat Lector- At 09:21 PM 6/26/01 -0400, Carl Amedio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what is new about this? This fact is common knowledge. Heck FDR allowed British spies to assassinate German spies in the US. A clear violation of the constitution. An intersting piece of data. Could you describe more about more about the assassination of German spies in the U.S. by the British. Could you provide a source where this is documented? Thanks. DBC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance--not soap-boxin---please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theor-'--with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fra-ds--is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FDR Unmasked
attack the US fleet all the way across the Pacific, and would hopefully whittle away at the American battleline so that the numerically superior but qualitive inferior Japanese Fleet would prevail in the great decisive battle. If they won, they kept the new empire. If they lost, it was all over. They were sort of betting the whole war on one coin flip. The attack at Pearl Harbor was a way to greatly improve the Japanese chances of victory. The attack would remove the US Pacific Fleet from the war, allowing the Japanese to grab their empire without interference. By the time the US Fleet recovered, the Japanese would have had time to dig in and establish a virtually impenetrable ring of defenses. The Americans, suffering from an early demoralizing defeat and committed to defeating Germany first, would soon tire of the bloody war as they tried to crawl across the Pacific. The Japanese outposts would have to be taken one at a time, so that the American fleet could safely traverse the Pacific for the great decisive battle. If the Americans were bled enough, peace terms would be reached long before the American Fleet could get close enough to Japan to force a decisive battle. If there were no decisive battle, then the Japanese would not have to risk loosing it. With a little luck, the Americans would not even fight, as they would have no way to threaten Japan directly and the American public would not want tens of thousands of American men dying on some little islands that no one ever heard of. Both sides therefore viewed war not as a question of if but when. Most at the Pentagon at the time believed the first blow would come against the Phillipines in either 1942, 43. The idea that Japan would have the capability or daring to launch an attack against Hawaii was never taken seriously. The government realized that war with Japan and probably Germany was inevitable. By 1941 Britain was the last power left in Europe that could stand up to Germany and though we had economic and other interest in Southeast Asia our ties with and economic reliance on Europe was much greater. The United States had already openly violated every international neutrality law by adopting a short of war policy to aid Britain. Unlimited credit and war materials were given to this beleaguered nation, and her warships were refitted and repaired in US yards. By contrast, the US Navy was instructed to treat any Italian or German warship operating in the eastern side of the Atlantic as hostile. War with Japan was not seen as a back door way to get into the conflict in Europe. It was something that our government realized was inevitable and once we were at war with Japan, because of the tripatrite treaty (Japan, Itlay and Germany) Germany and Italy would declare war on the US and we would be in the European war. -- From: Nessie Reply To: Conspiracy Theory Research List Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] FDR Unmasked -Caveat Lector- The trouble with the scorpions in a bottle metaphor is that they would not have killed each other. One would have killed the other. Then the world would have had to deal with a totalitarian state that reached from the Atlantic to the Pacific. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER =CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceónot soap-boxingóplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'ówith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsóis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ===Arc hives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A ===To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout
Re: [CTRL] FDR Unmasked
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/26/01 7:21:46 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So what is new about this? This fact is common knowledge. Heck FDR allowed British spies to assassinate German spies in the US. A clear violation of the constitution. Grow up for Pete sake. I am not an FDR fan in general. But, what he did vis a vis W.W.II was necessary. None of us can say whether it was necessary for the United States to enter WWII. The Germans probably never would have defeated the Russians, then they may have turned to the US. One could speculate that the Germans may have been capable of winning the war since they were well on their way to developing an atomic bomb and had produced jet fighters before the end of the war, not to mention V2 rockets. The point is that FDR was a liar and railroaded the US into the war that no one wanted (or at least very few). The historical truth needs to be known that FDR murdered the people at Pearl Harbor and every other person that died as a result of WWII. WWII had a profound effect on the US in many ways. It increased the power of the military/industrial complex. It was the start of the breakdown in family values, in that women were doing the same work as men and leaving the children to be raised by baby-sitters instead of their Mothers. The government grew much more powerful and has been in a power-grab course ever since. Corporations also gained more power during this time and became more politically active, thus eroding our right to vote. FDR was no hero, he was more of a mafia-type figure. Tito A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FDR Unmasked
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/26/01 8:09:20 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The trouble with the scorpions in a bottle metaphor is that they would not have killed each other. One would have killed the other. Then the world would have had to deal with a totalitarian state that reached from the Atlantic to the Pacific. Could one country have controlled that much territory? The country that won would have been very weak after the war and would not have long survived had another country contested the victory. Another thought is that even Hitler's henchmen tried to kill him when the going got tough. Tito A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FDR Unmasked -- Online book by James T. Flynn
James T. Flynn, newspaper columnist and contemporary (1880-1964) wrote a book containing an unorthodox view of FDR called "The Roosevelt Myth"; the book is found on the followint hyperlink: The Roosevelt Myth If the link doesn't work, here's the URL: http://www.hazlitt.org/e-texts/fdrmyth/hbzfrm.htm
Re: [CTRL] FDR Unmasked
-Caveat Lector- At 09:21 PM 6/26/01 -0400, Carl Amedio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what is new about this? This fact is common knowledge. Heck FDR allowed British spies to assassinate German spies in the US. A clear violation of the constitution. An intersting piece of data. Could you describe more about more about the assassination of German spies in the U.S. by the British. Could you provide a source where this is documented? Thanks. DBC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FDR Unmasked
In a message dated 6/26/01 6:27:04 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Stinnett volume shows that the President of the United States not only knew when and where the Japanese attack would take place, but also puts it in its proper context as the logical outcome of a provocative policy aimed at getting us into the European war through the Asian "back door." So what is new about this? This fact is common knowledge. Heck FDR allowed British spies to assassinate German spies in the US. A clear violation of the constitution. Grow up for Pete sake. I am not an FDR fan in general. But, what he did vis a vis W.W.II was necessary. Carl
Re: [CTRL] FDR Unmasked
-Caveat Lector- Carl Grow up for Pete sake. I am not an FDR fan in general. But, what he did vis a vis W.W.II was necessary. MJ Aaah that 20/20 hindsight. Regard$, --MJ America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. -- John Quincy Adams A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FDR Unmasked
-Caveat Lector- The trouble with the scorpions in a bottle metaphor is that they would not have killed each other. One would have killed the other. Then the world would have had to deal with a totalitarian state that reached from the Atlantic to the Pacific. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER =CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ===Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A ===To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
