Re: [CTRL] Fall From Plane Baffles FBI, Others
-Caveat Lector- >Presumably the pilot would be understandably upset to learn that one of the >passengers had plunged from the >plane during the flight...but are we to believe that the pilot then too was 'so >distraught' as to not report >for 45 minutes after landing? > > >> Amid what had to be a deafening and chaotic roar, the co-pilot managed to >> close the door, Black said. But the crew wasn't told the woman was gone >> and continued to San Jose, where the plane landed at 6:05 p.m. Police >> were later called from a Hewlett-Packard office a few miles from the San >> Jose airport. > >So, the woman fell...or was pushed...at approximately 5:23pm, and the co-pilot didn't >say anything to the >pilot for another 42 minutes? And then a call wasn't put into the police until 6:50? > > This just doesn't make sense. All these aeroplanes have multiple warning systems for these sorts of things. The depressurisation which would have resulted from the door opening, just the door being opened should have triggered an alarm...there's something very odd here. Did the door just close itself after she fell out? Don't the pilots have to report these sorts of things to the nearest control tower or air safety station? I hope they do a pretty good test for drugs on the unfortuante deceased, assuming such tests are possible. http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fall From Plane Baffles FBI, Others
-Caveat Lector- From: "Foxter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >THE CREW WASN'T TOLD THE WOMAN WAS GONE As strange as it would be for the rest of the passengers to not say ANYTHING about the matter for the next 42 minutes (and I'll never buy the line that they were all too distraught to say anything), it is doubly suspicious that the co-pilot who closed the door didn't say anything to the rest of the crew, especially the pilot... June http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fall From Plane Baffles FBI, Others
-Caveat Lector- > The FBI said two passengers who saw Otto plunge from the plane were so > distraught that they were unable to tell the pilots what had happened. Nobody is ever THAT distraught. I find it hard to believe that every single passenger was too distraught to say ANYTHING to the pilot until they had landed... > Police > were not notified she was missing until 45 minutes after the plane landed in > San Jose on Thursday night. Presumably the pilot would be understandably upset to learn that one of the passengers had plunged from the plane during the flight...but are we to believe that the pilot then too was 'so distraught' as to not report for 45 minutes after landing? > Amid what had to be a deafening and chaotic roar, the co-pilot managed to > close the door, Black said. But the crew wasn't told the woman was gone > and continued to San Jose, where the plane landed at 6:05 p.m. Police > were later called from a Hewlett-Packard office a few miles from the San > Jose airport. So, the woman fell...or was pushed...at approximately 5:23pm, and the co-pilot didn't say anything to the pilot for another 42 minutes? And then a call wasn't put into the police until 6:50? June http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fall From Plane Baffles FBI, Others
THE CREW WASN'T TOLD THE WOMAN WAS GONE - Original Message - From: Steve Wingate To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 7:20 PM Subject: [CTRL] Fall From Plane Baffles FBI, Others -Caveat Lector-Saturday December 16 11:39 PM ETFall From Plane Baffles FBI, OthersBy BRIAN BERGSTEIN, Associated Press WriterSAN JOSE, Calif. (AP) - A woman who fell 2,000 feet from an airplane intoa community garden has left behind a baffled team of investigators who aretrying to determine whether her death was a tragic accident or suicide.Friends and co-workers at Hewlett-Packard Co. described ElisabethMathild Otto as despondent, possibly from the stress of moving to theUnited States and starting a new job. They and her husband had suggestedshe seek psychological help, The San Jose Mercury News reportedSaturday, citing sources familiar with her situation.``We've ruled out foul play on behalf of any of the passengers,'' FBI (news -web sites) spokesman Andrew Black said.A source close to the investigation confirmed Saturday that ``suicideappears to be the strong likelihood.''FBI spokesman Andrew Black said that although no one saw the womanopen the door as the small plane flew between Sacramento and San Jose,it did not release accidentally and it would have taken effort to pry it ajar.The FBI said two passengers who saw Otto plunge from the plane were sodistraught that they were unable to tell the pilots what had happened. Policewere not notified she was missing until 45 minutes after the plane landed inSan Jose on Thursday night. Her body was found Friday afternoon.FBI investigators interviewed passengers and the woman's businessassociates. Hewlett-Packard said Otto was 29, a Dutch citizen from thecompany's Germany office who recently began working at the company'sPalo Alto and Roseville offices.``We are deeply concerned and are helping authorities to determine whathappened,'' Hewlett-Packard spokesman Dave Berman said. ``Out ofrespect for the individuals involved, we are not providing additionalinformation at this time.''The 15-seat de Havilland Twin Otter, which was operated as a commuterservice for Hewlett-Packard employees, was carrying five passengers andtwo pilots when it set out on its regular Thursday night flight from theSacramento area to San Jose.Soon after takeoff, the plane had to make an emergency landing becausea warning light indicated the door was unlocked. The plane landed at 4:48p.m. at the Sacramento Executive Airport, then took off again at 5:20 p.m.after the door was secured.Three minutes later, the door opened and Otto plunged out about 10 milessouth of Sacramento.``When that plane hatch was opened, the passenger immediately in front ofher turned around and observed a female passenger halfway out of theplane,'' Black said. ``He lunged over the seat, reached for her and was ableto grab hold of her shoulder and attempted to pull her back into the plane.''Amid what had to be a deafening and chaotic roar, the co-pilot managed toclose the door, Black said. But the crew wasn't told the woman was goneand continued to San Jose, where the plane landed at 6:05 p.m. Policewere later called from a Hewlett-Packard office a few miles from the SanJose airport.Black said the other passengers did not notice Otto behaving unusuallybefore the incident.FAA (news - web sites) inspectors determined that mechanical malfunctiondid not cause the door to open, spokesman Jerry Snyder said. The FAAalso said inspectors did not believe the pilot erred in continuing to SanJose after securing the door a second time.``The inspector couldn't find any fault in his proceedings,'' Snyder said.Otto lived in an upscale San Francisco neighborhood with her husband.``They seemed very nice. They appeared to be very hard working,''neighbor Travis Pearson said. ``They weren't around a lot.''-
[CTRL] Fall From Plane Baffles FBI, Others
-Caveat Lector-
Saturday December 16 11:39 PM ET
Fall From Plane Baffles FBI, Others
By BRIAN BERGSTEIN, Associated Press Writer
SAN JOSE, Calif. (AP) - A woman who fell 2,000 feet from an airplane into
a community garden has left behind a baffled team of investigators who are
trying to determine whether her death was a tragic accident or suicide.
Friends and co-workers at Hewlett-Packard Co. described Elisabeth
Mathild Otto as despondent, possibly from the stress of moving to the
United States and starting a new job. They and her husband had suggested
she seek psychological help, The San Jose Mercury News reported
Saturday, citing sources familiar with her situation.
``We've ruled out foul play on behalf of any of the passengers,'' FBI (news -
web sites) spokesman Andrew Black said.
A source close to the investigation confirmed Saturday that ``suicide
appears to be the strong likelihood.''
FBI spokesman Andrew Black said that although no one saw the woman
open the door as the small plane flew between Sacramento and San Jose,
it did not release accidentally and it would have taken effort to pry it ajar.
The FBI said two passengers who saw Otto plunge from the plane were so
distraught that they were unable to tell the pilots what had happened. Police
were not notified she was missing until 45 minutes after the plane landed in
San Jose on Thursday night. Her body was found Friday afternoon.
FBI investigators interviewed passengers and the woman's business
associates. Hewlett-Packard said Otto was 29, a Dutch citizen from the
company's Germany office who recently began working at the company's
Palo Alto and Roseville offices.
``We are deeply concerned and are helping authorities to determine what
happened,'' Hewlett-Packard spokesman Dave Berman said. ``Out of
respect for the individuals involved, we are not providing additional
information at this time.''
The 15-seat de Havilland Twin Otter, which was operated as a commuter
service for Hewlett-Packard employees, was carrying five passengers and
two pilots when it set out on its regular Thursday night flight from the
Sacramento area to San Jose.
Soon after takeoff, the plane had to make an emergency landing because
a warning light indicated the door was unlocked. The plane landed at 4:48
p.m. at the Sacramento Executive Airport, then took off again at 5:20 p.m.
after the door was secured.
Three minutes later, the door opened and Otto plunged out about 10 miles
south of Sacramento.
``When that plane hatch was opened, the passenger immediately in front of
her turned around and observed a female passenger halfway out of the
plane,'' Black said. ``He lunged over the seat, reached for her and was able
to grab hold of her shoulder and attempted to pull her back into the plane.''
Amid what had to be a deafening and chaotic roar, the co-pilot managed to
close the door, Black said. But the crew wasn't told the woman was gone
and continued to San Jose, where the plane landed at 6:05 p.m. Police
were later called from a Hewlett-Packard office a few miles from the San
Jose airport.
Black said the other passengers did not notice Otto behaving unusually
before the incident.
FAA (news - web sites) inspectors determined that mechanical malfunction
did not cause the door to open, spokesman Jerry Snyder said. The FAA
also said inspectors did not believe the pilot erred in continuing to San
Jose after securing the door a second time.
``The inspector couldn't find any fault in his proceedings,'' Snyder said.
Otto lived in an upscale San Francisco neighborhood with her husband.
``They seemed very nice. They appeared to be very hard working,''
neighbor Travis Pearson said. ``They weren't around a lot.''
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Associated Press Writer Justin Pritchard contributed to this report.
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