Re: [CTRL] Federal corn!
-Caveat Lector- Dear Bonnie, I do understand your situation. The federal corn post was not intended for people genuinely needing assistance, whether temporarily or more permanently. But for those who are parasites to any socialy oriented system. And the fact of the matter is they are for more of those than any system can bear. Reason that many if not all of them are near bankruptcy. Generally people who do not like these type of socialistic systems are NOT anti-social nor do they dismiss automatically and entirely the need to help their fellow man. But, like myself, they do acknowledge and know they are other ways to effect such help more efficiently and also with much more respect for the beneficiary's human dignity. It did happened to me indeed personally and that is why I have indulged into posting this. The finality was that I have more suffered from the 'state's help' than from the situation that drove me into it! The simple facts are that in the process my human dignity was crushed, without even talking about the society's label on my back. Every single attempt to get out of it was "legally" shattered and pulled me back into dependence. This alone kills your self esteem as being worthless and unable to live a life of your own. The conclusion is that in the name of 'help' you are totally controlled by the system in every details of your life. In the name of "help" you are surrending personal freedom and sovereignty. One can bear this temporarily, as it should with real help, but if "the system" doesn't provide for getting out of it, in the long run you're dying inside, accepting to be enslaved. That is what socialism does to you. I thank God every minute to have been able to get out of it. Let's not forget that "socialism" is "soft" communism as "communism" is "hard" socialism. So in fact they are one and the same, only the manner how it is imposed on you is different. Bonnie, you are NOT one of the pigs. NEVER. Any and all lives are the most precious gifts there are. Human life is a divine sovereign gift that no one is allow to "control" neither individually nor collectively. This is what this fight is all about. Yes, there are thousands of persons, including me, that will genuinely help you. But I will never dare to "take care of you". Thank you for your courage to reply in all honesty. Hope is in everyone of us, let us spread it far and wide. Warm Regards, Frans [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 12:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [theseries] Re: [bigchat] Federal corn! Well, I have to live on Federal food stamps. I am seriously injured and disabled, cannot work, and need to survive. And BIG, the one thing that I had going to help me help myself in the future, does not, after 15 months, even have my account right, with only one lonely PR. I have nothing in my account. So, I guess that makes me one of the pigs. So be it. But please, before you condemn me and others who sometimes need a leg up, think about it. There are many of us out here who are decent people who have always worked for our living, raised our families, and suddenly life turns around on them, and is out of their control. Remember, it could happen to you. If the Government doesn't take care of us, will you? Regards, Bonnie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Click here for 4 FREE TRIAL ISSUES of Sports Illustrated! If you're satisfied, your subscription will continue at the guaranteed lowest rate of $.75 an issue for 52 issues! http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/678 eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/theseries http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Federal corn!
-Caveat Lector- I apologize for forwarding ALL of these previous messages. Look, there are some people who genuinely need help because of 'whatever'. This does not include lazy, stupid or 'sorry'. There are many people who milk and live off the system. The system is broken. For those who need help and deserve it because they cannot fend for themselves due to medical reasons then that's great. That is our responsibility, I believe. For those who WANT help because they are lazy or full of excuses why they can't work...well, get a job or get a life. Most importantly, get out of my face and my pocket. Seems that individuals responsibilities do not exist anymore. So, you have 5 children from 5 different men...or, you have 5 children from 5 different women...well you, friend, have made some bad choices. Live with it. The blame is always placed on other people in these instances. No education? Well, did that person just not go to school? School is open to everyone...who is at fault? Federal Corn. This is all a rambling mess BUT, the times are changing - that is what is so enlightening. The free ride for those who abuse the system will one day end. Thus, the folks who REALLY need the help will get it - possibly more of it - and it will be less of a burden on us folks who subsidize this mess. Again, let me be clear. There are MANY people who deserve help. Let's help them if they can't help themselves. Note that there is a difference between CAN'T and WON'T. There are MANY people who get help and won't help themselves. They are lazy welfare BUMS and they are scared that the FEDERAL CORN must one day stop. I'm not very eloquent but I refuse to put up with the PC crap that goes on these days. And, there is something to be said for natural selectionit's a cold, cruel world. Eat or be eaten. Am I my brothers keeper or my keepers brother? Thoughts to ponder, dear friends. Help those who need it and are unable to do for themselves. At 03:56 PM 8/13/99 +0200, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- Dear Bonnie, I do understand your situation. The federal corn post was not intended for people genuinely needing assistance, whether temporarily or more permanently. But for those who are parasites to any socialy oriented system. And the fact of the matter is they are for more of those than any system can bear. Reason that many if not all of them are near bankruptcy. Generally people who do not like these type of socialistic systems are NOT anti-social nor do they dismiss automatically and entirely the need to help their fellow man. But, like myself, they do acknowledge and know they are other ways to effect such help more efficiently and also with much more respect for the beneficiary's human dignity. It did happened to me indeed personally and that is why I have indulged into posting this. The finality was that I have more suffered from the 'state's help' than from the situation that drove me into it! The simple facts are that in the process my human dignity was crushed, without even talking about the society's label on my back. Every single attempt to get out of it was "legally" shattered and pulled me back into dependence. This alone kills your self esteem as being worthless and unable to live a life of your own. The conclusion is that in the name of 'help' you are totally controlled by the system in every details of your life. In the name of "help" you are surrending personal freedom and sovereignty. One can bear this temporarily, as it should with real help, but if "the system" doesn't provide for getting out of it, in the long run you're dying inside, accepting to be enslaved. That is what socialism does to you. I thank God every minute to have been able to get out of it. Let's not forget that "socialism" is "soft" communism as "communism" is "hard" socialism. So in fact they are one and the same, only the manner how it is imposed on you is different. Bonnie, you are NOT one of the pigs. NEVER. Any and all lives are the most precious gifts there are. Human life is a divine sovereign gift that no one is allow to "control" neither individually nor collectively. This is what this fight is all about. Yes, there are thousands of persons, including me, that will genuinely help you. But I will never dare to "take care of you". Thank you for your courage to reply in all honesty. Hope is in everyone of us, let us spread it far and wide. Warm Regards, Frans [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 12:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [theseries] Re: [bigchat] Federal corn! Well, I have to live on Federal food stamps. I am seriously injured and disabled, cannot work, and need to survive. And BIG, the one thing that I had going to help me help myself in the future, does not, after 15 months, even have my account right, with only one lonely
[CTRL] Federal corn!
-Caveat Lector- If you use federal handouts in place of corn and people in place of the pigs - how close are we to having the final rail put in place? The Wild and Free Pigs of the Okefenokee Swamp based on a telling by George Gordon Some years ago, about 1900, an old trapper from North Dakota hitched up some horses to his Studebaker wagon, packed a few possessions -- especially his traps -- and drove south. Several weeks later he stopped in a small town just north of the Okefenokee Swamp in Georgia. It was a Saturday morning -- a lazy day -- when he walked into the general store. Sitting around the pot-bellied stove were seven or eight of the town's local citizens. The traveler spoke. "Gentlemen, could you direct me to the Okefenokee Swamp?" Some of the oldtimers looked at him like he was crazy. "You must be a stranger in these parts," they said. "I am. I'm from North Dakota," said the stranger. "In the Okefenokee Swamp are thousands of wild hogs." one old man explained. "A man who goes into the swamp by himself asks to die!" He lifted up his leg. "I lost half my leg here, to the pigs of the swamp." Another old fellow said, "Look at the cuts on me; look at my arm bit off!" "Those pigs have been free since the Revolution, eating snakes and rooting out roots and fending for themselves for over a hundred years. They're wild and they're dangerous. You can't trap them. No man dare go into the swamp by himself." Every man nodded his head in agreement. The old trapper said, "Thank you so much for the warning. Now could you direct me to the swamp?" They said, "Well, yeah, it's due south -- straight down the road." But they begged the stranger not to go, because they knew he'd meet a terrible fate. He said, "Sell me ten sacks of corn, and help me load it in the wagon." And they did. Then the old trapper bid them farewell and drove on down the road. The townsfolk thought they'd never see him again. Two weeks later the man came back. He pulled up to the general store, got down off the wagon, walked in and bought ten more sacks of corn. After loading it up he went back down the road toward the swamp. Two weeks later he returned and again bought ten sacks of corn. This went on for a month. And then two months, and three. Every week or two the old trapper would come into town on a Saturday morning, load up ten sacks of corn, and drive off south into the swamp. The stranger soon became a legend in the little village and the subject of much speculation. People wondered what kind of devil had possessed this man, that he could go into the Okefenokee by himself and not be consumed by the wild and free hogs. One morning the man came into town as usual. Everyone thought he wanted more corn. He got off the wagon and went into the store where the usual group of men were gathered around the stove. He took off his gloves. "Gentlemen," he said, "I need to hire about ten or fifteen wagons. I need twenty or thirty men." "I have six thousand hogs out in the swamp, penned up, and they're all hungry. I've got to get them to market right away." "You've WHAT in the swamp?" asked the storekeeper, incredulously. "I have six thousand hogs penned up. They haven't eaten for two or three days, and they'll starve if I don't get back there to feed and take care of them." One of the oldtimers said, "You mean you've captured the wild hogs of the Okefenokee?" "That's right." "How did you do that? What did you do?" the men urged, breathlessly. One of them exclaimed, "But I lost my arm!" "I lost my brother!" cried another. "I lost my leg to those wild boars!" chimed a third. The trapper said, "Well, the first week I went in there they were wild all right." "They hid in the undergrowth and wouldn't come out. I dared not get off the wagon." "So I spread corn along behind the wagon. Every day I'd spread a sack of corn." "The old pigs would have nothing to do with it." "But the younger pigs decided that it was easier to eat free corn than it was to root out roots and catch snakes. So the very young began toeat the corn first." "I did this every day. Pretty soon, even the old pigs decided that it was easier to eat free corn." "After all, they were all free; they were not penned up. They could run off in any direction they wanted at any time." "The next thing was to get them used to eating in the same place all the time. So I selected a clearing, and I started putting the corn in the clearing." "At first they wouldn't come to the clearing. It was too far. It was too open. It was a nuisance to them." "But the very young decided that it was easier to take the corn in the clearing than it was to root out roots and catch their own snakes. And not long thereafter, the older pigs also decided that it was easier to come to the clearing every day." "And so the pigs learned to come to the clearing every day to get
