Re: [CTRL] Fw: New Thinking: Milosevic And Clinton

1999-06-14 Thread Jim Condit Jr.

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Oh, dear! The forward of Gerry McGovern's comments on Clinton and Milosevic
represents some of the most shallow analysis imaginable. Clinton would not
last two  more weeks if the 4 Big Networks turned on him. His gosh!gee! Tom
Sawyer persona helps and caters to the mush-brain mindset that passes for
compassion in modern America. There is no give and take between Puppet
Clinton and the American public. Clinton's bosses and sponsors TELL us there
is. They dish up their phony public opinin polls, phony exit polls, and
riggabble computerized vote counts on election night, and tell us what "we
think."  As long as America and our leaders continue to accept these three
bogus techniques, without even questioning how any one of them achieve the
"results" they achieve, -- we are in for a rough ride. Jim Condit Jr.

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> MILOSEVIC AND CLINTON
>
> What's the difference between Slobodan Milosevic and Bill Clinton?
> (There are many.) One has a knack of calling his defeat a victory,
> the other keeps pulling victory out of impending defeat. Why? A
> central reason is that Bill Clinton is a child of the Information
> Age, whereas Slobodan Milosevic's persona belongs way back in the
> Industrial Age.
>
> Bill Clinton has continuously overcome obstacles by engaging in a
> two-way conversation with the American people. He listens. He is
> always reaching out to his constituency, asking them how things
> are going, what they think about this and that? Bill Clinton
> doesn't 'rule'. He manages by consensus. And no matter how great
> his personal failings may be, the American people respond to him
> because he responds to them.
>
> Slobodan Milosevic rules with an iron fist. Unfortunately for him,
> iron fist thinking belongs back in the Iron Age. He is a dictator,
> pursuing xenophobic nationalist policies, and his cruelty is only
> matched by his untrustworthiness.
>
> Milosevic has a total lack of understanding of the key principles
> that underpin the Information Age. He still believes that power
> is maintained by hoarding information, whereas, in fact, today
> you get and keep power by spreading information around as quickly
> and efficiently as possible. You can't keep the public (your
> workers or consumers) in the dark today; they simply won't
> accept it.
>
> Milosevic is rarely seen in public. He hardly ever talks to his
> people, let alone listens to them. Serbia has little hope of
> participating in a productive manner in the Information Age,
> with that sort of archaic system and thinking. Because to
> survive, Information Age societies, economies and companies
> must be open and must embrace and share information.
>
> The consumer in the Information Society takes it for granted that
> the information they require will be available to them. If they
> come to you and you refuse or are unable to supply them with the
> information they require, then as I heard someone state, 'your
> competition is only one click away. Not giving a consumer the
> information they require today is like refusing to give them
> your telephone number ten years ago.
>
> In fact, the information game has moved on to a whole other
> level. The free flow of information has for many become a flood.
> Providing a quality flow of information merely gets you into the
> game today. You may think your information is valuable but what's
> really valuable is a consumer's time. A key challenge is thus
> getting the consumer to spend time digesting your information.
>
> Understanding a consumer and developing a relationship with
> them allows you to know how they spend their time and money.
> You get to know what their specific information needs are,
> thus allowing you to customise your information (and product)
> to their needs.
>
> Whatever you might personally think of Bill Clinton, he is
> unquestionably a pioneer of the Information Ag

Re: [CTRL] Fw: New Thinking: Milosevic And Clinton

1999-06-13 Thread Howard R. Davis III

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> June 14th 1999 Published By: Nua Limited  Volume 4 Number 24
> 
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> MILOSEVIC AND CLINTON
>


> Bill Clinton has continuously overcome obstacles by engaging in a
> two-way conversation with the American people. He listens. He is
> always reaching out to his constituency, asking them how things
> are going, what they think about this and that? Bill Clinton
> doesn't 'rule'. He manages by consensus. And no matter how great
> his personal failings may be, the American people respond to him
> because he responds to them.
>
What about all the executive orders? He doesn't even listen to Congress much
less the American people.


> Slobodan Milosevic rules with an iron fist. Unfortunately for him,
> iron fist thinking belongs back in the Iron Age. He is a dictator,
> pursuing xenophobic nationalist policies, and his cruelty is only
> matched by his untrustworthiness.
>
What about Waco? That sure looked like an iron fist. And how many bombs did
Clinton drop on Yugoslavia (or Sudan)? Clinton trustworthy?

> Milosevic has a total lack of understanding of the key principles
> that underpin the Information Age. He still believes that power
> is maintained by hoarding information, whereas, in fact, today
> you get and keep power by spreading information around as quickly
> and efficiently as possible. You can't keep the public (your
> workers or consumers) in the dark today; they simply won't
> accept it.
>

You get and keep power by spreading disinformation and getting away with it.
Clinton is an expert.


> Milosevic is rarely seen in public. He hardly ever talks to his
> people, let alone listens to them. Serbia has little hope of
> participating in a productive manner in the Information Age,
> with that sort of archaic system and thinking. Because to
> survive, Information Age societies, economies and companies
> must be open and must embrace and share information.
>
Milosevic was interviewed in English on American TV. Milosevic's wife has
her own tv show. Has he never been on it? I doubt that.


> The consumer in the Information Society takes it for granted that
> the information they require will be available to them. If they
> come to you and you refuse or are unable to supply them with the
> information they require, then as I heard someone state, 'your
> competition is only one click away. Not giving a consumer the
> information they require today is like refusing to give them
> your telephone number ten years ago.
>
> In fact, the information game has moved on to a whole other
> level. The free flow of information has for many become a flood.
> Providing a quality flow of information merely gets you into the
> game today. You may think your information is valuable but what's
> really valuable is a consumer's time. A key challenge is thus
> getting the consumer to spend time digesting your information.
>
> Understanding a consumer and developing a relationship with
> them allows you to know how they spend their time and money.
> You get to know what their specific information needs are,
> thus allowing you to customise your information (and product)
> to their needs.
>
And, if you do a good job at the above you can really brainwash them.

> Whatever you might personally think of Bill Clinton, he is
> unquestionably a pioneer of the Information Age. He knows that
> you succeed today by communicating, listening and creating
> consensus. (19 NATO countries staying unified was no small
> achievement.) I, for one, infinitely prefer a world managed by
> Bill Clinton than one ruled by the likes of Slobodan Milosevic.
>
> Gerry McGovern
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>

What natural resources does Kosovo have? How is the KLA financed?
If you don't know the answers to these questions and think that you
understand the situation, you have been successfully propagandized.

Howard Davis

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[CTRL] Fw: New Thinking: Milosevic And Clinton

1999-06-13 Thread CobolMage

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June 14th 1999 Published By: Nua Limited  Volume 4 Number 24


MILOSEVIC AND CLINTON

What's the difference between Slobodan Milosevic and Bill Clinton?
(There are many.) One has a knack of calling his defeat a victory,
the other keeps pulling victory out of impending defeat. Why? A
central reason is that Bill Clinton is a child of the Information
Age, whereas Slobodan Milosevic's persona belongs way back in the
Industrial Age.

Bill Clinton has continuously overcome obstacles by engaging in a
two-way conversation with the American people. He listens. He is
always reaching out to his constituency, asking them how things
are going, what they think about this and that? Bill Clinton
doesn't 'rule'. He manages by consensus. And no matter how great
his personal failings may be, the American people respond to him
because he responds to them.

Slobodan Milosevic rules with an iron fist. Unfortunately for him,
iron fist thinking belongs back in the Iron Age. He is a dictator,
pursuing xenophobic nationalist policies, and his cruelty is only
matched by his untrustworthiness.

Milosevic has a total lack of understanding of the key principles
that underpin the Information Age. He still believes that power
is maintained by hoarding information, whereas, in fact, today
you get and keep power by spreading information around as quickly
and efficiently as possible. You can't keep the public (your
workers or consumers) in the dark today; they simply won't
accept it.

Milosevic is rarely seen in public. He hardly ever talks to his
people, let alone listens to them. Serbia has little hope of
participating in a productive manner in the Information Age,
with that sort of archaic system and thinking. Because to
survive, Information Age societies, economies and companies
must be open and must embrace and share information.

The consumer in the Information Society takes it for granted that
the information they require will be available to them. If they
come to you and you refuse or are unable to supply them with the
information they require, then as I heard someone state, 'your
competition is only one click away. Not giving a consumer the
information they require today is like refusing to give them
your telephone number ten years ago.

In fact, the information game has moved on to a whole other
level. The free flow of information has for many become a flood.
Providing a quality flow of information merely gets you into the
game today. You may think your information is valuable but what's
really valuable is a consumer's time. A key challenge is thus
getting the consumer to spend time digesting your information.

Understanding a consumer and developing a relationship with
them allows you to know how they spend their time and money.
You get to know what their specific information needs are,
thus allowing you to customise your information (and product)
to their needs.

Whatever you might personally think of Bill Clinton, he is
unquestionably a pioneer of the Information Age. He knows that
you succeed today by communicating, listening and creating
consensus. (19 NATO countries staying unified was no small
achievement.) I, for one, infinitely prefer a world managed by
Bill Clinton than one ruled by the likes of Slobodan Milosevic.

Gerry McGovern
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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