Re: [CTRL] Fwd: How Southern Violations of States Rights Caused the Civil War
-Caveat Lector- --- radman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: "Nathan Newman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] HOW SOUTHERN VIOLATIONS OF STATES RIGHTS CAUSED THE CIVIL WAR by Nathan Newman The comments of Interior Secretary nominee Gale Norton talking about the"loss" of states rights due to the Civil War just once more highlights the lie that the Civil War was fought over states rights, rather than fought to preserve slavery. In fact, if anything, the Civil War was caused by Southern States using their control of the Congress and the Supreme Court to use federal law against Northern states which resisted slavery within their own territory. __ Nakano Comments: In fact the cause of the Civil War was neither slavery nor "states rights". Gale Norton has it wrong. Todays "Civil Rights" groups have it wrong. The history books have it wrong (intentionally wrong). The crowned heads and ruling classes of Europe rightly feared the powerful and dynamic America that was capturing the imagination of the people of the world. By 1840, America had become a powerful magnet which was attracting not only the attention of the world, but some of the best intellect and talent of the "old world". The governments and financial cabals of the old world did not want to see America become a single monolithic political/military entity expanding across the whole North American Continent. Rather, they sought to see America become many seperate countries as was/is the situation in Europe. They fomented several plots and operations to try to accomplish their goal. The American Civil War was in fact one of their schemesand it nearly succeeded. Yes, the Slavery Issue and State's Rights were whipped up to divide and incite the American People. There are always popular and highly visible reasons why wars are fought. The real reasons are very different from those written about in the mass media and history books. Nakano __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: How Southern Violations of States Rights Caused the Civil War
-Caveat Lector- In fact the cause of the Civil War was neither slavery nor "states rights". Gale Norton has it wrong.Todays "Civil Rights" groups have it wrong. The history books have it wrong (intentionally wrong). Nakano has it wrong too, though what he says is true enough as far as it goes. European imperialists, especially England (the REAL "Evil Empire"), had designs on North America, as well as fear that anti-colonialism would spread. The REAL cause of the Civil War, though,was that the Abolitionists had fully integrated guerrilla army fighting in the field to overturn slavery. They had correctly concluded that the government wasn't going to do it for them. This force had learned how to fight in Kansas and Missouri. Then they turned their attention eastward. Had the government not stepped in, made the war official and taken over its control, the Abolitionist forces would have soon made the government irrelevant. A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: How Southern Violations of States Rights Caused the Civil War
-Caveat Lector- From: "Nathan Newman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: How Southern Violations of States Rights Caused the Civil War Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 HOW SOUTHERN VIOLATIONS OF STATES RIGHTS CAUSED THE CIVIL WAR by Nathan Newman The comments of Interior Secretary nominee Gale Norton talking about the "loss" of states rights due to the Civil War just once more highlights the lie that the Civil War was fought over states rights, rather than fought to preserve slavery. In fact, if anything, the Civil War was caused by Southern States using their control of the Congress and the Supreme Court to use federal law against Northern states which resisted slavery within their own territory. The primary example of this was the Fugitive Slave Law used by the federal government to force free states to return runaway slaves to their masters in the South. In fact, Southerners took this law and assumed the right not only to go to court to force the return of slaves but would go into Northern states and kidnap blacks, often not even slaves, while claiming that they had the right of "self-help" in recovering their "property." In 1842, the US Supreme Court in Prigg v. Pennsylvania, 41 U.S. 536, made this right of southerners to defy Northern laws against self-help kidnappings IN NORTHERN STATES a constitutional right. The decision explicitly repudiated Northern states' rights to regulate their own affairs in regard to kidnapping in their own borders. This repudiation of states rights is clear, as Justice Story wrote: "It is scarely conceivable, that the slave-holding states would have been satisfied with leaving to the legislation of the non-slave holding states, a power of regulation, in the abscense of that of Congress." Where Southern interests in slavery mattered, they were all for extinguishing local state power in favor of that of the federal government. The next blow to Northern states rights was of course the much more famous 1857 Dred Scott decision which declared that Southerns were free to bring slaves to free states, and yet keep those slaves as slaves in defiance of Northern anti-slavery laws. The Court declared that no state had the right to grant freedom and citizenship to such slaves or prevent them from being brought in to their states. The case makes a big deal how such control is vested solely in the federal government. It was the South that declared war on states rights in the North, using the Congress and the US Supreme Court to de facto extend slavery into Northern states. It was the reaction in the North that three years after Dred Scott elected Abraham Lincoln into office, not on a platform of abolishing slavery in the South, but of refusing to allow the South to extend it anymore to the North. And the South reacted to this threat to slavery, NOT TO ANY THREAT TO STATES RIGHTS, by seceding. It was the South that had abused states rights to support slavery and when it looked like they could no longer do so, they protected slavery by seceding. It was all about slavery and racism. Nothing more, except possibly the North being the ones asserting their states rights against the abusive power of the federal government that had been controlled by the slave states. In a similar manner, those who talk about "states rights" are the ones who are the first to support a rightwing US Supreme court intervening in the Florida election, the first to support federal government in interfering in state tort claims, the first to support the federal government in overturning laws like the Massachusetts Burma law to resist buying goods from that country. Conservatives talk about states rights, but when local governments do anything they don't like, they are the first to invoke federal power to overturn those state laws. This is usually done for the sake of property rights, and that is the real tradition of the Confederacy - the supremacy of property rights over human rights. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A
