Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Florida 'recounts' make Gore winner
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 02/04/2001 8:37:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Any chance that this power situation is the new administration's punishment for California? sno0wl >> I'd bet money on it. Some stuff that's come through has mentioned that the companies from which Californiae lectricity providers formerly bought power cheaply were out of Texas and were all cronies of the Bushies. The Bush family is famous for its vindictive ways. I think that's why the Democrats in Congress are rolling over and grinning every time the new prez and co. allow them to vote on a new goodie. Prudy http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Florida 'recounts' make Gore winner
-Caveat Lector- On 3 Feb 01, at 20:52, Steve Wingate wrote: > Considering Gore's margin of victory in California, which is heavily > Democrat statewide, your logic is absurd. > Any chance that this power situation is the new administration's punishment for California? sno0wl http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Florida 'recounts' make Gore winner
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/3/01 9:51:29 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Dream on, dream on. > > Many reports say Bush not only HANDILY won > Florida, but would have been shown to have won the popular vote also, > except that > *s like Gov in Calif won't allow 1 million absentee ballots to be counted > because > the lie would be exposed. > > Get over it. Source it. http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Florida 'recounts' make Gore winner
-Caveat Lector- Considering Gore's margin of victory in California, which is heavily Democrat statewide, your logic is absurd. Many other reports, BTW, say that Bush LOST Florida. Steve On 3 Feb 01, at 22:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Many reports say Bush not only HANDILY won > Florida, but would have been shown to have won the popular vote also, > except that > *s like Gov in Calif won't allow 1 million absentee ballots to be counted > because the lie would be exposed. > > Get over it. ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Florida 'recounts' make Gore winner
-Caveat Lector- Dream on, dream on. Many reports say Bush not only HANDILY won Florida, but would have been shown to have won the popular vote also, except that *s like Gov in Calif won't allow 1 million absentee ballots to be counted because the lie would be exposed. Get over it. -- On Sat, 3 Feb 2001 10:14:13 -0800 John Cone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > -Caveat Lector- > > --- "Prudence L. Kuhn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Florida 'recounts' make Gore winner > > Al Gore, not George Bush, should be sitting in the > White House today as the newly elected president of > the United States, two new independent probes of > the disputed Florida election contest have > confirmed. > "...the revelations will continue to cast a cloud, > to put it mildly, over the democratic legitimacy of Mr > Bush's election." > __ > http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Florida 'recounts' make Gore winner
-Caveat Lector- --- "Prudence L. Kuhn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Florida 'recounts' make Gore winner Al Gore, not George Bush, should be sitting in the White House today as the newly elected president of the United States, two new independent probes of the disputed Florida election contest have confirmed. "...the revelations will continue to cast a cloud, to put it mildly, over the democratic legitimacy of Mr Bush's election." __ Nakano Comments: "Democratic legitimacy" is an illusion. It doesn't existnot in this election nor any other major elections in this country. Elections are held as an "escape valve" to let people blow off the steam of pent up anger. "We The People" get angry over the things the government does to us and what it fails to do for us. If this were allowed to build with no relief, eventually the People would rise up and go into the streets and lynch the criminal politiciansthere would be revolution. To prevent this, "they" allow us to play a game called "national elections". In this game, there is a national chosing up of teams. Most people who care about anything get on one team or ther other. There is a lot of name-calling and shouting and blaming and finger pointing. The annointed team captains (presidential candidates) make a lot of promises about how they will make things better and right some of the wrongs done to us. On the appointed day, the people line up and go to the polls to decide the outcome of the game. The people think they are "throwing the rascals out". This serves as a national catharsis. It's equivalent to a sublimated form of the type show put on by professional wrestling. The crowd gets to boo the "bad guys" and cheer for the "good guys" and shout and scream some obscenities and throw some popcorn. It obviously is popular and it works. Just look at the TV ratings for WCW. The People pay good money for this. National elections.same deal...same show on a different stage. The Gore supporters who are still cussing about "democratic legitimacy" and arguing about "the election being stolen" have been had. So have the Bush supporters who are happy because their team "won". Nobody "won". We the People are the losers. We always will be unless we recognise the illusion for what it is. Will we ever have the opportunity or the courage to take the "Red Pill"? Regards to All Nakano __ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Florida 'recounts' make Gore winner
-Caveat Lector- Who is Martin Kettle? > -Original Message- > From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Prudence L. Kuhn > Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 9:50 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Florida 'recounts' make Gore winner > > > > Special report: the US elections Martin Kettle in Washington Monday January 29, 2001 http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Florida 'recounts' make Gore winner
www. My Groups | konformist Main Page Please send as far and wide as possible. Thanks, Robert Sterling Editor, The Konformist http://www.konformist.com Florida 'recounts' make Gore winner Special report: the US elections Martin Kettle in Washington Monday January 29, 2001 Al Gore, not George Bush, should be sitting in the White House today as the newly elected president of the United States, two new independent probes of the disputed Florida election contest have confirmed. The first survey, conducted on behalf of the Washington Post, shows that Mr Gore had a nearly three-to-one majority among 56,000 Florida voters whose November 7 ballot papers were discounted because they contained more than one punched hole. The second and separate survey, conducted on behalf of the Palm Beach Post, shows that Mr Gore had a majority of 682 votes among the discounted "dimpled" ballots in Palm Beach county. In each case, if the newly examined votes had been allowed to count in the November election, Mr Gore would have won Florida's 21 electoral college votes by a narrow majority and he, not Mr Bush, would be the president. Instead, Mr Bush officially carried Florida by 537 votes after recounts were stopped. In spite of the findings, no legal challenge to the Florida result is possible in the light of the US supreme court's 5-4 ruling in December to hand the state to Mr Bush. But the revelations will continue to cast a cloud, to put it mildly, over the democratic legitimacy of Mr Bush's election. Some 56,000 so-called "overvotes" were examined in the Washington Post survey. All of these ballot papers were ruled to be invalid votes on November 7 because they contained two or more punched holes in the presidential section of the ballot. Twelve Florida counties used voting machines where voting was by punch cards in this way, and eight of them participated in the survey: Broward, Highlands, Hillsborough, Marion, Miami-Dade, Palm Beach, Pasco and Pinellas. None of the ballot papers in the survey formed part of any official count or recount. The research shows that 45,608 of the 56,000 ballot papers (87% of the total) contained votes for Mr Gore, compared with 17,098 containing votes for Mr Bush (33%). In 1,367 cases, voters punched every hole except that for Mr Bush. In cases where the voters cast invalid "overvotes" in the presidential election, but then cast valid votes in the US senate contest lower down on the same ballot, 70% voted Democrat, Mr Gore's party, and only 24% voted Republican. The disproportion was especially dramatic in Palm Beach, whose butterfly ballot paper interleaved two lists of candidates in such a way as to show Mr Gore's name second on the ballot paper, but to require the voter to punch the third hole to record a vote for him. Though no absolute conclusions can be drawn from the overvotes, the implication that many thousands more invalidated Floridians intended to vote for Mr Gore than for Mr Bush seems hard to resist. The survey also clearly implies that some of Florida's voting machines were inadequate and that many voters were confused by the procedure. In the second survey, the Palm Beach Post examined 4,513 dimpled "undervotes" - so named because no hole was punched in the ballot paper - and which were excluded from the November and December manual recount process. In each case, the Palm Beach county canvassing board ruled that no vote had been cast on these ballots but Democratic or Republican observers disputed the ruling. The ballots in the survey had been set aside for a possible court-ordered review that never took place. Of the disputed ballots, some 2,500 had dimples for Mr Gore, while 1,818 had similar marks for Mr Bush. If they had been counted, Mr Gore would have had a net gain of 682 votes. This would have been in addition to a separate net gain of 174 votes from Palm Beach which was disallowed by Florida's secretary of state. If you are interested in a free subscription to The Konformist Newswire, please visit: http://www.eGroups.com/list/konformist Or, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject: "I NEED 2 KONFORM!!!" (Okay, you can use something else, but it's a kool catch phrase.) Visit the Klub Konformist at Yahoo!: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/klubkonformist
