Re: [CTRL] Fwd: The High-Tech Plantation
In a message dated 00-03-16 11:22:39 EST, DasGoat sends (via Kris): "Claiming there are now over a third of a million more high-tech jobs than US workers to fill them, Rep. David Drier, R-Calif., said the present ceiling on immigrant visas doesn't meet the needs of an increasingly digitalized economy. ``If we can't bring these people to the US, corporations will move high-tech jobs to some other country,'' said Rep. Tom Davis R-Va. I can't believe I missed this. Where are these jobs that go unfilled? This is just more corporate bullshit. The truth is that these corporations do not want to pay a living wage to the people who do the work. In the past seven years I have been a displaced worker three times. Once from a small company that moved because the owner wanted the business closer to where he lived. Next Digital Electronics Corp. moved the disk drive manufacturing business to Malaysia thinking they could make more profits with people who would work for pennies on the dollar ... they went bust in Malaysia. Now the company I currently work for "Quantum" is sending the tape drive manufacturing business to Malaysia and the tape drive repair business to Mexico ... I hope they lose their shirt. The worst part of it all is that they want us to be cheerful about losing our jobs (for the good of the company) and train these assholes how to do our job ... that bites. Many people (if not most) think that violence is not the answer. These corps are taking the very food from our mouths and the mouths of our children. They could care less whether we live or die. I'm not so sure that writing congress is a viable answer, I write them sometimes two or three times a month, and if I get anything back, it is usually a form letter. Congress accepts bribes from all these corps. I'm starting to lean toward the idea that violence is the only thing that will stop them ... what can they do if 100,000,000 people decide to "just say no" to working for peanuts at a corp. Of course they will send the business to a third world country, but then people here will start to go hungry and hunger makes people desperate, then what will they do if 30,000,000 arm themselves and decide to make things right, answer - here isn't a f___ing thing they can do about it. Feeling more than a little pissed about Corporate Control, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: The High-Tech Plantation
People won't be able to arm themselves if they are hungry. Or if they have to stand in line for that welfare cheese. Also they will feel the Gov is too imposing an enemy so they will kill and steal from their neighbor instead. If they don't go postal first. - Original Message - From: Bob Stokes To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 3:22 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: The High-Tech Plantation In a message dated 00-03-16 11:22:39 EST, DasGoat sends (via Kris): "Claiming there are now over a third of a million more high-tech jobsthan US workers to fill them, Rep. David Drier, R-Calif., said the presentceiling on immigrant visas doesn't meet the needs of an increasinglydigitalized economy. ``If we can't bring these people to the US, corporations will movehigh-tech jobs to some other country,'' said Rep. Tom Davis R-Va.I can't believe I missed this.Where are these jobs that go unfilled? This is just more corporate bullshit.The truth is that these corporations do not want to pay a living wage to thepeople who do the work. In the past seven years I have been a displacedworker three times. Once from a small company that moved because the ownerwanted the business closer to where he lived. Next Digital Electronics Corp.moved the disk drive manufacturing business to Malaysia thinking they couldmake more profits with people who would work for pennies on the dollar ...they went bust in Malaysia. Now the company I currently work for "Quantum"is sending the tape drive manufacturing business to Malaysia and the tapedrive repair business to Mexico ... I hope they lose their shirt. The worstpart of it all is that they want us to be cheerful about losing our jobs (forthe good of the company) and train these assholes how to do our job ... thatbites. Many people (if not most) think that violence is not the answer.These corps are taking the very food from our mouths and the mouths of ourchildren. They could care less whether we live or die. I'm not so sure thatwriting congress is a viable answer, I write them sometimes two or threetimes a month, and if I get anything back, it is usually a form letter.Congress accepts bribes from all these corps. I'm starting to lean towardthe idea that violence is the only thing that will stop them ... what canthey do if 100,000,000 people decide to "just say no" to working for peanutsat a corp. Of course they will send the business to a third world country,but then people here will start to go hungry and hunger makes peopledesperate, then what will they do if 30,000,000 arm themselves and decide tomake things right, answer - here isn't a f___ing thing they can do about it.Feeling more than a little pissed about Corporate Control,Bob StokesA HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/ADECLARATION DISCLAIMER==CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandicscreeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordidmattersand 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, misdirections and outrightfrauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effectsspread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial andnazi's need not apply.Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.Archives Available at:http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.htmlA HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of[EMAIL PROTECTED]/Ahttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/ATo subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Om
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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: The High-Tech Plantation
Two points here: first, U.S. corporations, for the most part, are extremely reluctant to put out the money needed to train the workers they have to fill the positions they need filled. Why? Because either the newly-trained specialists will immediately leave for higher-paying jobs, or if they stay they will demand higher pay and more benefits. Either way the company's profit margin is cut, which maketh the stockholders most unhappy. Second, when the news stories refer to "foreign workers," that's a euphemism for East Asian (Indian and Pakistani) workers. Like it or not, India in particular has developed a major software industry. Given the highly favorable exchange rate for the rupee vs. the U.S. dollar, it is far cheaper for people to get trained in Mumbai (Bombay) or New Delhi or Madras and then come to the States to work. (A former help desk colleague from India took a leave of absence to return to India for Windows NT training because it was MUCH less expensive than the equivalent course here--something on the order of $500 against $5,000 in the U.S.) These programmers, etc., by the way, are not being hired on the cheap; they are getting the same amount that their American counterparts do. The main difference is in the training overhead. Hell, if someone would pay my airfare, I'd fly to India for training! - Original Message - From: Bob Stokes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 3:22 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: The High-Tech Plantation In a message dated 00-03-16 11:22:39 EST, DasGoat sends (via Kris): "Claiming there are now over a third of a million more high-tech jobs than US workers to fill them, Rep. David Drier, R-Calif., said the present ceiling on immigrant visas doesn't meet the needs of an increasingly digitalized economy. ``If we can't bring these people to the US, corporations will move high-tech jobs to some other country,'' said Rep. Tom Davis R-Va. I can't believe I missed this. Where are these jobs that go unfilled? This is just more corporate bullshit. The truth is that these corporations do not want to pay a living wage to the people who do the work. In the past seven years I have been a displaced worker three times. Once from a small company that moved because the owner wanted the business closer to where he lived. Next Digital Electronics Corp. moved the disk drive manufacturing business to Malaysia thinking they could make more profits with people who would work for pennies on the dollar ... they went bust in Malaysia. Now the company I currently work for "Quantum" is sending the tape drive manufacturing business to Malaysia and the tape drive repair business to Mexico ... I hope they lose their shirt. The worst part of it all is that they want us to be cheerful about losing our jobs (for the good of the company) and train these assholes how to do our job ... that bites. Many people (if not most) think that violence is not the answer. These corps are taking the very food from our mouths and the mouths of our children. They could care less whether we live or die. I'm not so sure that writing congress is a viable answer, I write them sometimes two or three times a month, and if I get anything back, it is usually a form letter. Congress accepts bribes from all these corps. I'm starting to lean toward the idea that violence is the only thing that will stop them ... what can they do if 100,000,000 people decide to "just say no" to working for peanuts at a corp. Of course they will send the business to a third world country, but then people here will start to go hungry and hunger makes people desperate, then what will they do if 30,000,000 arm themselves and decide to make things right, answer - here isn't a f___ing thing they can do about it. Feeling more than a little pissed about Corporate Control, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A
[CTRL] Fwd: The High-Tech Plantation
"Claiming there are now over a third of a million more high-tech jobs than US workers to fill them, Rep. David Drier, R-Calif., said the present ceiling on immigrant visas doesn't meet the needs of an increasingly digitalized economy. ``If we can't bring these people to the US, corporations will move high-tech jobs to some other country,'' said Rep. Tom Davis R-Va. More High-Tech Worker Visas Sought By G. STEPHEN BIERMAN Jr. .c The Associated Press WASHINGTON (AP) - Lawmakers from areas growing from the influx of new high-tech companies introduced legislation Wednesday to nearly double the number of visas issued each year for tech-savvy foreign workers. Their bill would raise from 115,000 to 200,000 the ceiling on the six-year, H-1B visas the Immigration and Naturalization Services now issues annually to ``professional'' workers from overseas. Claiming there are now 364,000 more high-tech jobs than workers to fill them, Rep. David Drier, R-Calif., said the present ceiling doesn't meet the needs of an increasingly digitalized economy. ``If we can't bring these people to the U.S., these companies are global, they'll do it somewhere else,'' said Rep. Tom Davis R-Va. Similar bills raising the ceiling for professional visas to 195,000 and 160,000 have been been introduced by other lawmakers. To gain the H-1B visa, a foreign-born worker needs the support of an American company willing to pay the price of the visa and the legal expenses involved in getting it. To prevent companies from using immigrants to depress U.S. wage rates, the bill would require companies to pay H-1B workers the prevailing wages for specific jobs, as determined by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The measure introduced Wednesday also would raise the price of the visa from $500 to $1,000 with the proceeds to go toward paying the cost of training U.S. workers. And it also would require the Immigration and Naturalization Service to move to a web-based tracking system to speed approval of green cards that allow immigrants to work in the United States. Critics said the agency now takes one to two years to process some admission applications. ``It's about time the INS moved into this century and used the technology that the rest of us use,'' said Rep. Zoe Lofgren D-Cal.
