Re: [CTRL] Gubbmint intrusion...
-Caveat Lector- At 07:07 PM 7/16/99 EDT, William Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >My reply to your even less deep and far more inane "amswer" to my question... >A fetus is NOT a citizen of these United States (repeat this 100 times, take >a breath, and get a clue). OK. I'll give it a try. 1. "A fetus is NOT a citizen of these United States" 2. "A fetus is NOT a citizen of these United States" 3. "A fetus is NOT a citizen of these United States" - - - SNIP - - - 99. "A fetus is NOT a citizen of these United States" 100. "A fetus is NOT a citizen of these United States" Ummm. An illegal immigrant is not a citizen of these United States either. Do you mean to suggest that the U.S. Constitution allows them to be aborted out of existence, too, permitting even POST-TERM abortions? Nope. Your theory still sounds stupid and preposterous. DBC DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Gubbmint intrusion...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/16/99 10:20:58 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Amswer to your very shallow and stupid question: The U.S. Constitution protects "LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". The determination of whose LIFE is to be protected is very definitely one of the fundamental purposes of government in a civilized society. A society that delegates to individuals or collectives the privilege of deciding who is to live and who is to die is a barbaric society. >> My reply to your even less deep and far more inane "amswer" to my question... A fetus is NOT a citizen of these United States (repeat this 100 times, take a breath, and get a clue). I value the RIGHTS of a person far more than the "rights" of a mass of cells that resemble so much goop on a plate. Barbaric??? I think not. But to impose your silly, trivial, and irresponsible religious (superstitious) ideals on ANYONE else IS abusive... Bill. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Gubbmint intrusion...
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Damian B. Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > William Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >Why can't the republicans in Congress STOP sticking their upturned > >noses into the PRIVATE LIVES of the American people??? > >Exactly WHO wants "big government"? > >Not me, and it seems the "liberals" are of similar opinion...hmmm... > > > >Bill would require adoption talk in clinics > >WASHINGTON (AP)--Opening a new front in the abortion wars, Republicans > >want family planning clinics to talk adoption when pregnant women look > >for help. > > Amswer to your very shallow and stupid question: > The U.S. Constitution protects "LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of > happiness". Actually, that phrase is NOT in the U.S. Constitution - it's in the Declaration of Independence, which is not a legally-binding document under U.S. law. It's a nice piece of propaganda, but it ain't law. Re-read Article VI, USC, eh? > The determination of whose LIFE is to be protected is very definitely > one of the fundamental purposes of government in a civilized society. > A society that delegates to individuals or collectives the privilege > of deciding who is to live and who is to die is a barbaric society. A conspiracy exists, a conspiracy to centralize power and control in the hands of theocrats, of American Ayatollahs; a wily conspiracy that employs many tools, many strategies, one of which is to propound the notion that a FETUS is a PERSON, with the same rights [but none of the responsibilities] of a person who is not contained within and totally dependent upon its mother's body. Thus a FETUS is to be a priveleged entity, superior to its bearer, accountable to none; and women are to be second-class citizens, their activities subordinate to whatever a gov't agency may deem to be the 'welfare' of the FETUS. Now, when you see somebody walking around, or sitting or lying down, or otherwise "out in the world", it's rather obvious that they're a "person", a more-or-less autonomous human being. With a fetus, it's not so evident - a fetus is hidden within its mother's body, and it may not be externally evident until the moment of birth that a fetus even exists. If a FETUS is a PERSON, then its existence must be made obvious. So, all female humans of possible child-bearing years [above age 8] must wear an implant in their womb, linked to an external light that will signal if a fetus exists. If a female is pregnant/lit, then she must not engage in any activity that could endanger the FETUS - no alcohol, tobacco, or other self- medicating drugs; no adventurous activities [hanggliding/skydiving, rockclimbing, whitewater rafting, surfing, rollerblading, bicycling] - in fact, it's best if such females are sequestered, under constant supervision, allowed only a prescribed course of diet & exercise & gov't-approved entertainment. If a female is pregnant/lit, and she's out in the world, then she has a new set of obligations and priveleges, because everywhere she goes, she's TWO people, not ONE. Double-up on census counts [which affect congressional apportionment, federal disbursements, etc], on elevator/ room maximum person counts, maybe on tickets/admissions [if greedy merchants have their way]. Double-up on head taxes, welfare payments, on ANY aspect of US life where per-person counts are significant. If a FETUS is a PERSON, them MASSIVE gov't intrusion will be necessary, new rules/regulations and their enforcement will be necessary - and who will pay the taxes to support the huge expansion of gov't? > I'm FOR this kind of government intrusion, AND I will gleefully report > you to the government as a person who should be placed under surveillance. Are you identifying yourself as an operative of Big Gov't / Theocracy? DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Gubbmint intrusion...
-Caveat Lector- At 07:49 PM 7/15/99 EDT, William Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > >Why can't the republicans in Congress STOP sticking their upturned noses into >the PRIVATE LIVES of the American people??? >Exactly WHO wants "big government"? >Not me, and it seems the "liberals" are of similar opinion...hmmm... >Bill. > >Bill would require adoption talk in clinics > >WASHINGTON (AP)--Opening a new front in the abortion wars, Republicans want >family planning clinics to talk adoption when pregnant women look for help. > Amswer to your very shallow and stupid question: The U.S. Constitution protects "LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". The determination of whose LIFE is to be protected is very definitely one of the fundamental purposes of government in a civilized society. A society that delegates to individuals or collectives the privilege of deciding who is to live and who is to die is a barbaric society. I'm FOR this kind of government intrusion, AND I will gleefully report you to the government as a person who should be placed under surveillance. DBC DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Gubbmint intrusion...
-Caveat Lector- Why can't the republicans in Congress STOP sticking their upturned noses into the PRIVATE LIVES of the American people??? Exactly WHO wants "big government"? Not me, and it seems the "liberals" are of similar opinion...hmmm... Bill. Bill would require adoption talk in clinics WASHINGTON (AP)--Opening a new front in the abortion wars, Republicans want family planning clinics to talk adoption when pregnant women look for help. Legislation being introduced today would require federally funded clinics to counsel women on adoption. "We don't intend for it to force a woman to make one decision or another," said sponsoring Rep. Jim DeMint, R-S.C. "But when women know all the information, they'll choose a different alternative." DeMint is co-sponsoring the bill with Rep. Tom Bliley, R-Va., chairman of the Commerce Committee and an adoptive father of two. Bliley has promised to move the bill through his committee quickly, DeMint said. A spokeswoman for Planned Parenthood, which receives much of this funding, said counselors already talk about adoption. "The anti-abortion forces would have everyone think that we force abortion, that you walk in for a Pap smear and they said, 'Why not have an abortion instead?"' said Sandra Jordan of Planned Parenthood. "If you call most of the clinics in the country, they already talk calmly and rationally about the options," she said. But DeMint said he thinks family planning clinics have a financial stake in encouraging abortions while they get nothing out of adoptions. He cited a study that found many women are never told about adoption. Still, he said he hopes the bill will not be divisive. "I hope this bill will bring a lot of these people together around an idea that gives women a good choice without forcing them or taking any of their rights away," he said. The legislation would also create a new $7 million grant program. National adoption organizations could apply for the money to train the staff of health centers on adoption counseling. Even if the legislation passed, though, the program would still have to compete with other domestic programs for money. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
