Re: [CTRL] Helms Wants to Ban Discrimination Against Boy Scouts
-Caveat Lector- Your reasoning is as skewed as usual. You do not have a right to tell me what I should or should not do as you certainly are NOT my moral authority nor my God. And secondly, you have to make your same old ass-uptions as to what I would or would not do and then attempt to vilify and denigrate me based on what YOU SAY I would say, do or think. You are so very full of YOURSELF and this may be the way you think but it is not the way I think. The 800 schools are ALREADY allowing the Gay students to meet in public schools but have banned the Boy Scouts. So you are saying this is the right tnbing to do because IN THEORY somebody might some day, some where, some time try to do something to some gay group or other. Helms is saying that since the gay groups are using the schools NOW, in this current time and in reality, it is wrong to ban the Boy Scouts. And this other crap about what I would do if this and that~~what nerve you have to speak for me! That is the only way you can vilify is by assuming to put words in my mouth. Prove I would applaud banning ANYBODY for you cannot and this is yet another example of your vicious lying. Telling anybody who calls you on this to 'search the archives' is your cop out when caught at it again, too. Lame, very lame. I have spent one day a week volunteering at schools for fourteen of the last twenty years. There has been little or no local autonomy since federal funding became a necessity for public schools. You would know this if you were involved in any way. If you truly believed in 'local autonomy as you claim, perhaps you should have been protesting integration for it sure as hell did away with it, didn't it? According to your theory, local schoolboards should have the final say on that, also. Or is that just in matters related to the homosexual agenda? Or if they are inagreement with those things of which you approve? And as for that other crackpot, Nessie, speaking for me also, he is equally full of crap. Since you cannot read a post you do not like without attacking the poster, if you absolutely must know, I do not object, personally, to any group of CHILDREN (pay attention here, Nessie~~the discussion is about children, not adults) adequately supervised and with a sponsor and whatever the regular requirements met, using the school. If they are Satanists but meet the above, fine with me. Now why Nessie wants to bring in the Catholic Church IS interesting. They would have their own facilities but that must fit some stereotype of Nessie's that he is trying to foist upon me. And the Boy Scouts meet at the local Catholic Church, NOT the school. But if you throw out enough bait, hey! Maybe you can get a bite, huh??? Cute. So you two are a pair of bigots who stereotype and attempt to force all sorts of thoughts and ideas on me when I think nothing of the kind. Cognitive dissonance, I suppose. Nah, just plain old garden-variety intolerance projecting onto others your own negativism. I do hope you two learn some new methods of distortion as this one is so old and worn! ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: YnrChyldzWyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Helms Wants to Ban Discrimination Against Boy Scouts -Caveat Lector- On Sat, 19 May 2001, Amelia wrote: You are stating Helms point exactly. The hell I am! Helms wants to FORCE local schoolboards to allow the BSA to hold meetings in local schools, else he'll see to it that federal funds are withheld. What I am saying is that no federal bureaucrat should be allowed to blackmail local schoolboards -- duly elected by local townspeople and ostensibly representing those local interests. If local interests deem that a particular group should not be allowed access to schools for their meetings, the federal government has no right to intervene. That would apply if the tables were reversed. You applaud Helms' stance, but what would you say if a schoolboard DID ban a gay and lesbian group, and some liberal congresscritter introduced a bill saying that local schoolboards HAD to allow gay and lesbian groups to meet in their schools else risk losing federal funding? You wouldn't be so quick to applaud such a measure, would you? Yet it is the same thing. If you allow a conservative congresscritter to dictate what a local schoolboard can and cannot do, then you equally allow liberal congresscritters to do the same. Instead of dismissing the issue with 'local schoolboards have had little local autonomy since the 1950s', you should be fighting the continuing encroachment of the federal government into the local autonomy, not encouraging further encroachment... June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory
Re: [CTRL] Helms Wants to Ban Discrimination Against Boy Scouts
-Caveat Lector- AMELIA IS 110% right!! On Sun, 20 May 2001 01:45:48 -0500 Amelia [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- Your reasoning is as skewed as usual. You do not have a right to tell me what I should or should not do as you certainly are NOT my moral authority nor my God. And secondly, you have to make your same old ass-uptions as to what I would or would not do and then attempt to vilify and denigrate me based on what YOU SAY I would say, do or think. You are so very full of YOURSELF and this may be the way you think but it is not the way I think. The 800 schools are ALREADY allowing the Gay students to meet in public schools but have banned the Boy Scouts. So you are saying this is the right tnbing to do because IN THEORY somebody might some day, some where, some time try to do something to some gay group or other. Helms is saying that since the gay groups are using the schools NOW, in this current time and in reality, it is wrong to ban the Boy Scouts. And this other crap about what I would do if this and that~~what nerve you have to speak for me! That is the only way you can vilify is by assuming to put words in my mouth. Prove I would applaud banning ANYBODY for you cannot and this is yet another example of your vicious lying. Telling anybody who calls you on this to 'search the archives' is your cop out when caught at it again, too. Lame, very lame. I have spent one day a week volunteering at schools for fourteen of the last twenty years. There has been little or no local autonomy since federal funding became a necessity for public schools. You would know this if you were involved in any way. If you truly believed in 'local autonomy as you claim, perhaps you should have been protesting integration for it sure as hell did away with it, didn't it? According to your theory, local schoolboards should have the final say on that, also. Or is that just in matters related to the homosexual agenda? Or if they are inagreement with those things of which you approve? And as for that other crackpot, Nessie, speaking for me also, he is equally full of crap. Since you cannot read a post you do not like without attacking the poster, if you absolutely must know, I do not object, personally, to any group of CHILDREN (pay attention here, Nessie~~the discussion is about children, not adults) adequately supervised and with a sponsor and whatever the regular requirements met, using the school. If they are Satanists but meet the above, fine with me. Now why Nessie wants to bring in the Catholic Church IS interesting. They would have their own facilities but that must fit some stereotype of Nessie's that he is trying to foist upon me. And the Boy Scouts meet at the local Catholic Church, NOT the school. But if you throw out enough bait, hey! Maybe you can get a bite, huh??? Cute. So you two are a pair of bigots who stereotype and attempt to force all sorts of thoughts and ideas on me when I think nothing of the kind. Cognitive dissonance, I suppose. Nah, just plain old garden-variety intolerance projecting onto others your own negativism. I do hope you two learn some new methods of distortion as this one is so old and worn! ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: YnrChyldzWyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Helms Wants to Ban Discrimination Against Boy Scouts -Caveat Lector- On Sat, 19 May 2001, Amelia wrote: You are stating Helms point exactly. The hell I am! Helms wants to FORCE local schoolboards to allow the BSA to hold meetings in local schools, else he'll see to it that federal funds are withheld. What I am saying is that no federal bureaucrat should be allowed to blackmail local schoolboards -- duly elected by local townspeople and ostensibly representing those local interests. If local interests deem that a particular group should not be allowed access to schools for their meetings, the federal government has no right to intervene. That would apply if the tables were reversed. You applaud Helms' stance, but what would you say if a schoolboard DID ban a gay and lesbian group, and some liberal congresscritter introduced a bill saying that local schoolboards HAD to allow gay and lesbian groups to meet in their schools else risk losing federal funding? You wouldn't be so quick to applaud such a measure, would you? Yet it is the same thing. If you allow a conservative congresscritter to dictate what a local schoolboard can and cannot do, then you equally allow liberal congresscritters to do the same. Instead of dismissing the issue with 'local schoolboards have had little local autonomy since the 1950s', you should be fighting the continuing encroachment of the federal government into the local autonomy, not encouraging further encroachment
Re: [CTRL] Helms Wants to Ban Discrimination Against Boy Scouts
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 19 May 2001, Amelia wrote: You are stating Helms point exactly. The hell I am! Helms wants to FORCE local schoolboards to allow the BSA to hold meetings in local schools, else he'll see to it that federal funds are withheld. What I am saying is that no federal bureaucrat should be allowed to blackmail local schoolboards -- duly elected by local townspeople and ostensibly representing those local interests. If local interests deem that a particular group should not be allowed access to schools for their meetings, the federal government has no right to intervene. That would apply if the tables were reversed. You applaud Helms' stance, but what would you say if a schoolboard DID ban a gay and lesbian group, and some liberal congresscritter introduced a bill saying that local schoolboards HAD to allow gay and lesbian groups to meet in their schools else risk losing federal funding? You wouldn't be so quick to applaud such a measure, would you? Yet it is the same thing. If you allow a conservative congresscritter to dictate what a local schoolboard can and cannot do, then you equally allow liberal congresscritters to do the same. Instead of dismissing the issue with 'local schoolboards have had little local autonomy since the 1950s', you should be fighting the continuing encroachment of the federal government into the local autonomy, not encouraging further encroachment... June A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Helms Wants to Ban Discrimination Against Boy Scouts
-Caveat Lector- You are stating Helms point exactly. let me get this straihjt, here. Are you saying that Jesse Helms wants the KKK, Wiccans, Satan worshipers, Aryan Nation, catechism classes for the local Catholic church in public schools? Where and when did he say this and to whom? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER =CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ===Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A ===To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Helms Wants to Ban Discrimination Against Boy Scouts
You are stating Helms point exactly. If the schools are made available for the Gay Pride group, he is stating that they should not be allowed to exclude the Boy Scouts. You are in total sync with Good Old Jesse. Bet that warms your heart. There has been little local autonomy since the federal programs got into full swing in the '50's. ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: YnrChyldzWyld To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Helms Wants to Ban Discrimination Against Boy Scouts Government schools that "adamantly refuse" to provide the Boy Scoutsequal access to school facilities, despite warnings, would risklosing federal funding, Helms said. So much for local autonomy. I have a problem when any federal bureacrat of any flavor starts dictating what local schoolboards can and cannot do. If what Helms is trying to do is acceptable, it is just as acceptable to demand local schoolboards be forced to make their premises available to the KKK, Wiccans, Satan worshipers, Aryan Nation, catechism classes for the local Catholic church. If the BSA has an intrinsic right to these facilities, so do any and all other groups. June _Bravenet IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [CTRL] Helms Wants to Ban Discrimination Against Boy Scouts
Government schools that "adamantly refuse" to provide the Boy Scoutsequal access to school facilities, despite warnings, would risklosing federal funding, Helms said. So much for local autonomy. I have a problem when any federal bureacrat of any flavor starts dictating what local schoolboards can and cannot do. If what Helms is trying to do is acceptable, it is just as acceptable to demand local schoolboards be forced to make their premises available to the KKK, Wiccans, Satan worshipers, Aryan Nation, catechism classes for the local Catholic church. If the BSA has an intrinsic right to these facilities, so do any and all other groups. June _Bravenet IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
[CTRL] Helms Wants to Ban Discrimination Against Boy Scouts
-Caveat Lector-
{{I think it is a very sad commentary on the current congress when
this ancient man in his wheelchair is the only one with the ba~er,
courage to stand up and say if gays can use the schools, so can the
Boy Scouts. Amelia}}
Helms Wants to Ban Discrimination Against Boy Scouts
CNSNews.com
Wednesday, May 16, 2001
Sen. Jesse Helms, a former Boy Scout, wants to require any public
school receiving federal funds to give the Boy Scouts of America
equal access to school facilities.
He also asked the Congressional Research Service to examine how many
school districts have taken hostile action against the Scouts
because of membership guidelines that exclude homosexuals.
In a message to the Senate on Monday, Helms, R-N.C., condemned
school districts that forbid the Boy Scouts from using their
facilities for Scout meetings.
These very same meeting places at school remain open to over 800
Gay-Straight Student Alliance Clubs, Helms noted. With groups like
these welcomed in our public schools, schoolchildren need to have
the Boy Scouts stick around.
Helms offered an amendment to the education bill making its way
through Congress. He said the measure would give federal civil
rights enforcers in the Department of Education the authority to
investigate any discriminatory action taken against the Boys Scouts
of America, based on their membership or leadership criteria.
Government schools that adamantly refuse to provide the Boy Scouts
equal access to school facilities, despite warnings, would risk
losing federal funding, Helms said.
The arrogant discriminatory treatment of Boys Scouts of America
must not be allowed to continue, he said.
One year ago, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the Boy Scouts'
constitutional right, as a private organization, to set its own
membership rules. The ruling outraged homosexual rights advocates,
who wanted the court to force the Boy Scouts to accept homosexuals
as members and leaders.
The organization steadfastly refuses to do so, saying that
homosexuality goes against the grain of the oath that all Scouts
must take: On my honor, I will do my best to do my duty to God and
my country, and to obey the Scout Law; to help other people at all
times; to keep myself physically strong, mentally awake, and morally
straight.
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