Re: [CTRL] Hidden truths of Lake Vostok excite scientists and ranters
-Caveat Lector- tenebroust wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > Glad to see there is at least one fan of the Immortal Master HPL still on the >list!!! Incidentally, if hardy life, capable of withstanding the rigors of space or >hostile environments IS found there would it not be a vindication of HPL and the >weird tales he wrote so well? I find so much of past horror and SF are quite >prescient about coming future events and am amazed that so much that has been written >about has turned out to be true. I have a theory about that, in which the avant >garde writers, poets, artists, etc. are manipulated at times to write of things in >order to prepare the communal psyche for the eventual discovery of unusual and/or >unnatural things. I have no proof of such a manipulation nor of who or what is doing >the manipulation but it is interesting speculation in light of the phenomenon. >Perhaps something on the order of PK Dick's orbitting artificial intelligence system, >or J Vallee's theory of a cybernetic control system which exerts its influence >subtley into > the mainstream culture a > Wonder what Migo fungi taste like? -- ´´ Mark McHugh http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hidden truths of Lake Vostok excite scientists and ranters
-Caveat Lector- Glad to see there is at least one fan of the Immortal Master HPL still on the list!!! Incidentally, if hardy life, capable of withstanding the rigors of space or hostile environments IS found there would it not be a vindication of HPL and the weird tales he wrote so well? I find so much of past horror and SF are quite prescient about coming future events and am amazed that so much that has been written about has turned out to be true. I have a theory about that, in which the avant garde writers, poets, artists, etc. are manipulated at times to write of things in order to prepare the communal psyche for the eventual discovery of unusual and/or unnatural things. I have no proof of such a manipulation nor of who or what is doing the manipulation but it is interesting speculation in light of the phenomenon. Perhaps something on the order of PK Dick's orbitting artificial intelligence system, or J Vallee's theory of a cybernetic control system which exerts its influence subtley into the mainstream culture and communal thought. Just idle speculation. But interesting. On Fri, 29 June 2001, Bill Howard wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > In a message dated 6/28/01 8:20:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << Perhaps but I would have thought them long run over and destroyed by the > Elder Things and the Shoggoths come back from the Mountains of Madness! >> > > Good Point! > > http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic > screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are > sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- > directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with > major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. > That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and > always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no > credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hidden truths of Lake Vostok excite scientists and ranters
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/28/01 8:20:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Perhaps but I would have thought them long run over and destroyed by the Elder Things and the Shoggoths come back from the Mountains of Madness! >> Good Point! http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hidden truths of Lake Vostok excite scientists and ranters
-Caveat Lector- Perhaps but I would have thought them long run over and destroyed by the Elder Things and the Shoggoths come back from the Mountains of Madness! On Wed, 27 June 2001, Mark McHugh wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > Bill Howard wrote: > > > > -Caveat Lector- > > > > In a message dated 6/26/01 8:28:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > << What about the secret Nazi bases!!! Aren't we forgetting them!!!??? >> > > > > YES! Was the drilling stopped by the eco-terrorists so the world won't find > > the secret Nazi base beneath the ice cap? > > > > BHoward > > > I thought the Nazi antarctic base was controlled by the Deros. I'm > waiting to see them exit through the polar holes. > > -- > ´´ > Mark McHugh > > http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic > screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are > sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- > directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with > major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. > That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and > always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no > credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hidden truths of Lake Vostok excite scientists and ranters
-Caveat Lector- Bill Howard wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > In a message dated 6/26/01 8:28:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << What about the secret Nazi bases!!! Aren't we forgetting them!!!??? >> > > YES! Was the drilling stopped by the eco-terrorists so the world won't find > the secret Nazi base beneath the ice cap? > > BHoward I thought the Nazi antarctic base was controlled by the Deros. I'm waiting to see them exit through the polar holes. -- ´´ Mark McHugh http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hidden truths of Lake Vostok excite scientists and ranters
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/26/01 8:28:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << What about the secret Nazi bases!!! Aren't we forgetting them!!!??? >> YES! Was the drilling stopped by the eco-terrorists so the world won't find the secret Nazi base beneath the ice cap? BHoward http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hidden truths of Lake Vostok excite scientists and ranters
-Caveat Lector- What about the secret Nazi bases!!! Aren't we forgetting them!!!??? On Tue, 26 June 2001, "c." wrote: > > > > > > > > > http://www.nationalpost.com/";> face="Times New Roman" size=3>http://www.nationalpost.com/ face="Times New Roman" size=3>National Post, p. A1June 26, 2001The > rumour mill at the bottom of the worldHidden truths of Lake Vostok excite > scientists and rantersBryon OkadaFort Worth Star-TelegramA > subglacial lake discovered four kilometres below the South Polehas captured > the imaginations not only of scientists but also ofconspiracy theorists and > alien-encounter types.NASA wants to use Lake Vostok to test equipment > for a mission toJupiter. Microbiologists want to study life in extreme > climates.Environmentalists halted exploration to keep the lake, believed > tohave the purest freshwater on Earth, free of contaminants. Butwhen the > drilling stopped the speculation intensified, particularlyvia the Internet, > that scientists were about to expose the world toa deadly virus for which > humans have no antibodies.And when several researchers became sick this > year, requiringairlifts out of Antarctica, the cries of a government > coverupreached a fever pitch.Now some, inspired by the release of > the movie Atlantis: The LostEmpire, believe Lake Vostok provides evidence > that the lost citylies under the South Pole, a victim of polar shifting > and/or platetectonics.Here is an excerpt of a popular posting in > several Internet chatrooms:"If the Great Flood was caused by the > Earth shifting its axis, asappears to be what actually happened, where what > used to bethe North Pole ended up near the equator, then Atlantis > didn'tsink. It simply relocated to the South Pole."To put it simply, > Lake Vostok is cool.For those unfamiliar with the story, a lot of hard > science has goneinto the exploration of Lake Vostok.The Russians > have had a base at the site since the 1950s, but itwas not until two decades > later that scientists suspected therewas something beneath it. Since 1989, > scientists and engineershave been drilling the ice sheet above Lake Vostok > to study theEarth's past climates. Drilling was abruptly halted > whenresearchers hit a layer of refrozen ice 120 metres thick.That > led to speculation, later confirmed, that more than 3,600metres below the > base, there is a 23,000 square kilometresubglacial lake, roughly the size of > Lake Ontario. The water isunusually warm, probably a little below 0C, > compared with -55C atthe surface.U.S. scientists studied the > refrozen samples and found bacteria,which could suggest that a whole > ecosystem different from ours --an alternate ecology -- may have existed for > thousands, maybemillions, of years."That's what we know and it's not > much," said John Priscu, aMontana State University microbial ecology > professor whoconducted the study."We know there's life down there, > and it's a bizarre environmentunder three miles of ice, and it's been there > a long time. That'spretty wild."Mr. Priscu is leading another study > this summer, so the pictureshould become clearer in the next year or > so.The unanswered questions, along with the remoteness ofAntarctica > and the hazy politics of that faraway continent, haveincreased the already > intense speculation.The Atlantis Blueprint, by Colin Wilson and Rand > Flem-Ath,proposes that the people of Atlantis had created a > thrivingmaritime society that is the proto-culture of societies > today.The basis of Mr. Flem-Ath's research is an ancient map > depictingAtlantis that he found in a book while doing research for > ascreenplay about hibernating aliens."The map is a map of Atlantis, > but if you take off all the labels, andyou compare it to the Earth's > surface, it's very similar toAntarctica," he said. "That was the first thing > that got me on to it."His work has often been used to promote Lake > Vostok theories,but his research locates the main city of Atlantis > elsewhere.The speculation about the lake does not surprise Ray > Browne,founder of the Popular Culture Association and professor > emeritusat Bowling Green State University in Ohio, the United States's > onlydepartment devoted to studying the reality-in-flux of > coolness."When there's an interest, you've got to feed that," Mr. > Brownesaid."Someone has rediscovered Atlantis outside the Pillars > ofHercules, inside the Mediterranean, in the Caribbean, under theSouth > Pole and everywhere else ..."They want to find it, we want to find it, > and if we never do, it'sstill tremendously interesting, because we all have > a littlearchaeologist in us, and we're yearning for the Garden of > Eden." > > > > > ~~ > brought to you as recommended by Aleisha > Saba > > "Anyway, think he is an asshole" > > "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Sho
[CTRL] Hidden truths of Lake Vostok excite scientists and ranters
http://www.nationalpost.com/National Post, p. A1June 26, 2001The rumour mill at the bottom of the worldHidden truths of Lake Vostok excite scientists and rantersBryon OkadaFort Worth Star-TelegramA subglacial lake discovered four kilometres below the South Polehas captured the imaginations not only of scientists but also ofconspiracy theorists and alien-encounter types.NASA wants to use Lake Vostok to test equipment for a mission toJupiter. Microbiologists want to study life in extreme climates.Environmentalists halted exploration to keep the lake, believed tohave the purest freshwater on Earth, free of contaminants. Butwhen the drilling stopped the speculation intensified, particularlyvia the Internet, that scientists were about to expose the world toa deadly virus for which humans have no antibodies.And when several researchers became sick this year, requiringairlifts out of Antarctica, the cries of a government coverupreached a fever pitch.Now some, inspired by the release of the movie Atlantis: The LostEmpire, believe Lake Vostok provides evidence that the lost citylies under the South Pole, a victim of polar shifting and/or platetectonics.Here is an excerpt of a popular posting in several Internet chatrooms:"If the Great Flood was caused by the Earth shifting its axis, asappears to be what actually happened, where what used to bethe North Pole ended up near the equator, then Atlantis didn'tsink. It simply relocated to the South Pole."To put it simply, Lake Vostok is cool.For those unfamiliar with the story, a lot of hard science has goneinto the exploration of Lake Vostok.The Russians have had a base at the site since the 1950s, but itwas not until two decades later that scientists suspected therewas something beneath it. Since 1989, scientists and engineershave been drilling the ice sheet above Lake Vostok to study theEarth's past climates. Drilling was abruptly halted whenresearchers hit a layer of refrozen ice 120 metres thick.That led to speculation, later confirmed, that more than 3,600metres below the base, there is a 23,000 square kilometresubglacial lake, roughly the size of Lake Ontario. The water isunusually warm, probably a little below 0C, compared with -55C atthe surface.U.S. scientists studied the refrozen samples and found bacteria,which could suggest that a whole ecosystem different from ours --an alternate ecology -- may have existed for thousands, maybemillions, of years."That's what we know and it's not much," said John Priscu, aMontana State University microbial ecology professor whoconducted the study."We know there's life down there, and it's a bizarre environmentunder three miles of ice, and it's been there a long time. That'spretty wild."Mr. Priscu is leading another study this summer, so the pictureshould become clearer in the next year or so.The unanswered questions, along with the remoteness ofAntarctica and the hazy politics of that faraway continent, haveincreased the already intense speculation.The Atlantis Blueprint, by Colin Wilson and Rand Flem-Ath,proposes that the people of Atlantis had created a thrivingmaritime society that is the proto-culture of societies today.The basis of Mr. Flem-Ath's research is an ancient map depictingAtlantis that he found in a book while doing research for ascreenplay about hibernating aliens."The map is a map of Atlantis, but if you take off all the labels, andyou compare it to the Earth's surface, it's very similar toAntarctica," he said. "That was the first thing that got me on to it."His work has often been used to promote Lake Vostok theories,but his research locates the main city of Atlantis elsewhere.The speculation about the lake does not surprise Ray Browne,founder of the Popular Culture Association and professor emeritusat Bowling Green State University in Ohio, the United States's onlydepartment devoted to studying the reality-in-flux of coolness."When there's an interest, you've got to feed that," Mr. Brownesaid."Someone has rediscovered Atlantis outside the Pillars ofHercules, inside the Mediterranean, in the Caribbean, under theSouth Pole and everywhere else ..."They want to find it, we want to find it, and if we never do, it'sstill tremendously interesting, because we all have a littlearchaeologist in us, and we're yearning for the Garden of Eden." ~~ brought to you as recommended by Aleisha Saba "Anyway, think he is an asshole"
