Re: [CTRL] How the FBI lost the evidence

2001-05-15 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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The FBI is covering something up.  They never worried about losing documentation in 
the past.  They are looking for something or trying to keep others from looking for 
something.  They don't care about McVeigh or the rest of us either for that matter.  
Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] How the FBI lost the evidence

2001-05-15 Thread Bob Stokes

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In a message dated 5/15/01 12:19:08 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 The FBI is covering something up.  They never worried about losing
documentation in the past.  They are looking for something or trying to keep
others from looking for something.  They don't care about McVeigh or the rest
of us either for that matter.  Prudy 

You've got that right; they don't care about anyone but themselves.  What are
they hiding.  If they are creating a dog and pony show to distact the public
... what do they have up their sleeves, what is going on behind the scenes,
must be something bigger than OKC.

Regards,
Bob Stokes

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Re: [CTRL] How the FBI lost the evidence

2001-05-15 Thread Bill Howard

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In a message dated 5/15/01 11:19:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 The FBI is covering something up.  They never worried about losing
documentation in the past.  They are looking for something or trying to keep
others from looking for something.  They don't care about McVeigh or the rest
of us either for that matter.  Prudy 

Sounds reasonable.

Bill H

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[CTRL] How the FBI lost the evidence

2001-05-14 Thread Amelia

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{{Oh, they lost it because they need more funding!!  The computers
were too old.  Well, that might have been so but an organization of
that size should be able to handle something this important and
should have in place double-checks on a computer system no matter
how old or current it may be.  It couldn't be that they were going
for a conviction and the death penalty no matter what so this could
be yet another case solved with the lone gunman, bomber, perp.  Or
could it?  And would he have confessed if he had not already
received the death penalty?  Why not just TELL people they are going
to be executed and see if they confess?  The whole world is watching
now for sure to see the barbaric Americans watch an execution in
which the govt conducted an unfair trial. IMHO~Amelia~ }}
May 12 - Former FBI agent Jospeh Cantamessa blames an outdated
computer system.  How the FBI
lost the evidence
Failure blamed on lapses in document storage


By Edward Walsh
THE WASHINGTON POST
WASHINGTON, May 12 -  The FBI four times ordered its field offices
to turn over to prosecutors any material they gathered during the
investigation of the Oklahoma City bombing. But it was only in
response to a fifth directive, sent in December, that the field
offices discovered they had overlooked thousands of pages of
documents, FBI officials said yesterday.
 'I just see poor management and bad databases and, unfortunately,
an element of incompetence.'
- MICHAEL R. BROMWICH
former Justice Department inspector general  THE OFFICIALS
WERE unable to explain why the earlier searches failed to turn up
all the material. But others familiar with the case said it appeared
to be the result of a sloppy data storage and retrieval system that
the FBI was warned about in 1999.
   I just see poor management and bad databases and,
unfortunately, an element of incompetence, said Michael R.
Bromwich, a former Justice Department inspector general.
   The problem, which led yesterday to a delay in the execution
of convicted Oklahoma City bomber Timothy J. McVeigh, was
widespread, affecting 46 of the FBI's 56 field offices across the
country. In a letter to McVeigh's lawyers, Justice Department lawyer
Sean Connelly listed 3,135 pages of documents and other items of
evidence that had not been turned over to the defense before McVeigh
's 1997 trial.
   The largest amount of overlooked material was in the Los
Angeles Field Office, which missed 426 pages, and the Miami Field
Office, which missed 226 pages. The Washington and Cincinnati field
offices overlooked relatively small amounts, three pages each. Bill
Carter, an FBI spokesman, said 10 field offices assured FBI
headquarters that they already had turned over all their material.
The bulk of the missing documents, which were given to
McVeigh's lawyers Thursday, consisted of reports summarizing FBI
interviews of witnesses. They also included material such as
photographs and tapes, Connelly wrote.
   Connelly and other Justice Department and FBI officials
continued to insist that none of the recently discovered material
had any bearing on the convictions and sentencing of McVeigh and his
co-conspirator, Terry L. Nichols, who was convicted in a separate
trial and sentenced to life in prison. But Connelly said the
material should have been given to McVeigh's lawyers before trial
under the terms of a reciprocal discovery agreement between
prosecution and defense.
   The material was denied not only to McVeigh's lawyers, but
also to the federal prosecutors.

SHORTCOMINGS WELL-KNOWN
   While Attorney General John D. Ashcroft ordered an
investigation yesterday into how and why the missing material was
overlooked in earlier searches, the shortcomings of the FBI's
information management system are well known inside the bureau and
the Justice Department.
   In a July 1999 report on the FBI's handling of intelligence
information in connection with an investigation into 1996 campaign
finance abuses, Bromwich - then the Justice Department's inspector
general - said, The FBI's procedures for culling information from
its teletypes and electronic communications and inputting it into
its databases essentially make it impossible for the FBI to state
with confidence that a database search has yielded all information
in the FBI's files about a particular subject, the report said.
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 It added that the problem was exacerbated by inadequate
training of FBI personnel and by internal regulations that allowed
agents to forgo entering important investigative information into
the databases.
   Last month, the leaders of a key House committee asked FBI
Director Louis J. Freeh to provide information on the deficiencies
in the FBI's information technology. The committee is concerned
that the FBI has information technology systems that are slow,
unreliable and obsolete, Reps. F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. (R-Wis.),
the chairman, and John Conyers Jr. (Mich.),