Re: [CTRL] I see bad signs

2001-09-21 Thread Nurev Ind.

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flw wrote:

 -Caveat Lector-

 I see bad signs.

 The smart thing would be to conduct a determined, professional
 operation to destroy the attackers. I fear the D.C. armchair
 stategists, international jugglers, and bureacratic crusaders goaded
 on by drooling military corporate contractors will be launching a mirror
 image of the Insane War on Drugs. After all many of these newly minted
 anti terrorist experts have long been wondering around vacant eyed and
 depressed since the Cold War ended.

 If this thing is turned into a self righteous, arrogant crusade against
 all the alleged evil groups in the world (as defined by us) we will quickly
 lose all international sympathy and instead engender fear, loathing and
 jealously over nation state sovereignty which ultimately might very well
 encourage even more terror attacks on our homeland or get us
 bogged down in some God forsaken flea bitten foreign killing fields.

 We could wind up losing huge amounts of taxpayers dollars to a never
 ending War Against All Evil as well as leaving our Bill of Rights in tatters.

 Now is the time to be as vigilant against the Domestic Political Terrorists
 who seek any excuse to bomb the Bill of Rights as we will be against
 our international enemies. When you hear some blow dried politician
 use the words: I am not in favor of giving up our civil liberties but...
 assume that bugger is about to announce some new police state
 rule.

 I do not believe in fear mongeringI do believe in learning valuable
 lessons from History.
 flw


Hear hear.

J2


 Putin and Chirac suggest that UN leads the allies
 By Anton La Guardia, Diplomatic Editor
 (Filed: 21/09/2001)

 RUSSIA and France called yesterday for the United Nations to lead the
 fight against terrorism, in a veiled warning that America should seek
 explicit approval for military action against Afghanistan.

 A Kremlin statement said President Putin and President Chirac had agreed
 in a telephone conversation to back emerging consensus in favour of uniting
 the world community's long-term efforts against terrorism following the
 attacks on New York and Washington.

 It was stressed that it was vital, to this end, to make use of all i
 nternational mechanisms, first and foremost the UN and its Security
 Council, the statement said.

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[CTRL] I see bad signs

2001-09-20 Thread flw

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I see bad signs.

The smart thing would be to conduct a determined, professional
operation to destroy the attackers. I fear the D.C. armchair
stategists, international jugglers, and bureacratic crusaders goaded
on by drooling military corporate contractors will be launching a mirror
image of the Insane War on Drugs. After all many of these newly minted
anti terrorist experts have long been wondering around vacant eyed and
depressed since the Cold War ended.

If this thing is turned into a self righteous, arrogant crusade against
all the alleged evil groups in the world (as defined by us) we will quickly
lose all international sympathy and instead engender fear, loathing and
jealously over nation state sovereignty which ultimately might very well
encourage even more terror attacks on our homeland or get us
bogged down in some God forsaken flea bitten foreign killing fields.

We could wind up losing huge amounts of taxpayers dollars to a never
ending War Against All Evil as well as leaving our Bill of Rights in tatters.

Now is the time to be as vigilant against the Domestic Political Terrorists
who seek any excuse to bomb the Bill of Rights as we will be against
our international enemies. When you hear some blow dried politician
use the words: I am not in favor of giving up our civil liberties but...
assume that bugger is about to announce some new police state
rule.

I do not believe in fear mongeringI do believe in learning valuable
lessons from History.
flw


Putin and Chirac suggest that UN leads the allies
By Anton La Guardia, Diplomatic Editor
(Filed: 21/09/2001)

RUSSIA and France called yesterday for the United Nations to lead the
fight against terrorism, in a veiled warning that America should seek
explicit approval for military action against Afghanistan.

A Kremlin statement said President Putin and President Chirac had agreed
in a telephone conversation to back emerging consensus in favour of uniting
the world community's long-term efforts against terrorism following the
attacks on New York and Washington.

It was stressed that it was vital, to this end, to make use of all i
nternational mechanisms, first and foremost the UN and its Security
Council, the statement said.

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