Re: [CTRL] Iraq inspectors seem guilty of spying
-Caveat Lector- Hawk wrote: As I recall, our Secretary of State met with Saddam when he asked for help in a squabble with Kuwait (which was an artificial state previously carved out of Iraq), and told Saddam, "You go ahead and take care of it... We won't interfere." I believe it was April Gelaspie (sp?), then ambassador to Iraq. One the interesting things was that they sent a woman ambasador (and she didn't seem much like a Jeanne Kirkpatrick type) to Iraq. She's going to face down Saddam? That seemed a little wierd to me. However, as I recall, the actual exchange was not that clear as to what Saddam's intentions were or what our response might be. It might be interesting to find that transcript, I know that it was released. Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Iraq inspectors seem guilty of spying
-Caveat Lector- There was misunderstanding. I guess our renowned intelligence system was asleep. There is no reason to believe that Bush "suckered" Saddam into anything. Other than the fact that it's how US foreign policy often works. Let's not forget that the foolish Saddam had blithely launched an eight year war against Iran. I never understood that war to be soley Iraq's doing. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Iraq inspectors seem guilty of spying
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/9/99 1:54:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan has obtained what he regards as convincing evidence that United Nations arms inspectors helped collect eavesdropping intelligence used in American efforts to undermine the Iraqi regime, according to confidants who said he is deeply alarmed by the implications of the relationship for the world body. I thought my husband was crazy when he said this almost a year ago. He has a lot of military experience behind him, and he said it was pretty obvious. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Iraq inspectors seem guilty of spying
-Caveat Lector- It is becoming increasing clear to me that Saddam is being set up. Now, before people start gnashing teeth, I think one of the reasons he was "selected" is because of his willingness to the more nefarious things he is being credited with doing. Some of you may recall (and my memory is fuzzy on this because it was so long ago) that a year before the Desert Storm (not Fox) Saddam approached the US government to mediate a dispute he was having with Kuwait. He said that they were stealing Iraqi oil (and I don't remember the details of how this was being done. I believe through the pipeline that runs through Kuwait). Basically, Bush brushed him off and told Saddam to deal with it himself. Which, of course, he did. So, IF Saddam is being set up, I want to know to what end. If it were simply a matter of "eliminating" him that would have been done long ago despite being told how difficult it is to locate him. Hilary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Iraq inspectors seem guilty of spying -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/9/99 1:54:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan has obtained what he regards as convincing evidence that United Nations arms inspectors helped collect eavesdropping intelligence used in American efforts to undermine the Iraqi regime, according to confidants who said he is deeply alarmed by the implications of the relationship for the world body. I thought my husband was crazy when he said this almost a year ago. He has a lot of military experience behind him, and he said it was pretty obvious. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Iraq inspectors seem guilty of spying
-Caveat Lector- As I research my recollection for the specificity of information to clarify this point, I think Saddam's claim was the Kuwaitis were engaged in horizontal drilling (as in under the border into a well in Iraq). AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + -- : From: Hilary Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Subject: Re: [CTRL] Iraq inspectors seem guilty of spying : Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 3:50 PM : : Some of you may recall (and my memory is fuzzy on this because it was so : long ago) that a year before the Desert Storm (not Fox) Saddam approached : the US government to mediate a dispute he was having with Kuwait. He said : that they were stealing Iraqi oil (and I don't remember the details of how : this was being done. I believe through the pipeline that runs through : Kuwait). Basically, Bush brushed him off and told Saddam to deal with it : himself. Which, of course, he did. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Iraq inspectors seem guilty of spying
-Caveat Lector- Alamaine, I couldn't remember if it were horizontal drilling or tapping into the pipeline. In either case, Saddam did make the effort to go through proper channels. We can only second guess why Bush brushed him off, why he went to the US (perhaps knowing he wouldn't get assistance??? or it may have been a genuine request for help). I can't recall if he approached the UN or not. Hilary -Original Message- From: Alamaine Ratliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Iraq inspectors seem guilty of spying -Caveat Lector- As I research my recollection for the specificity of information to clarify this point, I think Saddam's claim was the Kuwaitis were engaged in horizontal drilling (as in under the border into a well in Iraq). AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + -- : From: Hilary Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Subject: Re: [CTRL] Iraq inspectors seem guilty of spying : Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 3:50 PM : : Some of you may recall (and my memory is fuzzy on this because it was so : long ago) that a year before the Desert Storm (not Fox) Saddam approached : the US government to mediate a dispute he was having with Kuwait. He said : that they were stealing Iraqi oil (and I don't remember the details of how : this was being done. I believe through the pipeline that runs through : Kuwait). Basically, Bush brushed him off and told Saddam to deal with it : himself. Which, of course, he did. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Iraq inspectors seem guilty of spying
-Caveat Lector- Fro anyone who wants a real slam-bam book AGAINST the war(s) with Iraq, I suggest Desert Slaughter: The Imperialist War Against Iraq Labor Publications, Inc ISBN 0929087-54-2 $18.95 Can be obtained from wsws.org Now, be forewarned there's a LOT of polemically political Socialist vocabulary (it's their book so they can do this) contained in the articles that make up the book. It literally chronicles the days before, during and after DS/DS, through bulletins. There is also a section that tells the history of the region and the events and circumstances leading up to August 1990. If one can read through the political verbiage (one's own choice to agree or disagree), it tends to bring up the OTHER side of the push toward war. Some answers (right or wrong, politically or otherwise) can be found therein. Also be mindful that as I recommend the book, I endorse it ONLY from the standpoint that it does look at the issue from another point of view, a view that I do not necessarily, specifically, personally endorse. AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + -- : From: Hilary Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Subject: Re: [CTRL] Iraq inspectors seem guilty of spying : Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 5:01 PM : : -Caveat Lector- : : Alamaine, : : I couldn't remember if it were horizontal drilling or tapping into the : pipeline. In either case, Saddam did make the effort to go through proper : channels. We can only second guess why Bush brushed him off, why he went to : the US (perhaps knowing he wouldn't get assistance??? or it may have been a : genuine request for help). I can't recall if he approached the UN or not. : : Hilary : : : -Original Message- : From: Alamaine Ratliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 3:55 PM : Subject: Re: [CTRL] Iraq inspectors seem guilty of spying : : : -Caveat Lector- : : As I research my recollection for the specificity of information to clarify : this point, : : I think Saddam's claim was the Kuwaitis were engaged in horizontal drilling : (as in under the border into a well in Iraq). : : : : AER : : The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking : new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust : + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + : -- : : From: Hilary Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : Subject: Re: [CTRL] Iraq inspectors seem guilty of spying : : Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 3:50 PM : : : : Some of you may recall (and my memory is fuzzy on this because it was so : : long ago) that a year before the Desert Storm (not Fox) Saddam approached : : the US government to mediate a dispute he was having with Kuwait. He : said : : that they were stealing Iraqi oil (and I don't remember the details of : how : : this was being done. I believe through the pipeline that runs through : : Kuwait). Basically, Bush brushed him off and told Saddam to deal with it : : himself. Which, of course, he did. : : DECLARATION DISCLAIMER : == : CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic : screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters : and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright : frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects : spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL : gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; : be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and : nazi's need not apply. : : Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. : : Archives Available at: : http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html : : http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ : : To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: : SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: : SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil
Re: [CTRL] Iraq inspectors seem guilty of spying
-Caveat Lector- Hilary Thomas wrote: -Caveat Lector- Alamaine, I couldn't remember if it were horizontal drilling or tapping into the pipeline. In either case, Saddam did make the effort to go through proper channels. We can only second guess why Bush brushed him off, why he went to the US (perhaps knowing he wouldn't get assistance??? or it may have been a genuine request for help). I can't recall if he approached the UN or not. How about the idea that it was nothing more than the same "trick" that was used to encourage Hitler to take more territory, or that South Korea was not "in our sphere of influence," only to use their aggression as an excuse to get into another war??? Why do such a thing, you ask? Well, could be that the NWO folks want to establish "credible" precidents for sending NATO (the only official military force for the NWO at this time) forces to "teach someone a lesson." As I recall, our Secretary of State met with Saddam when he asked for help in a squabble with Kuwait (which was an artificial state previously carved out of Iraq), and told Saddam, "You go ahead and take care of it... We won't interfere." Seems Saddam wasn't politically astute enough to know that when the USA politicians tell you something, you should assume the opposite is true. Thus, he took action, and there was a "ready made excuse" to set a precedent... Remember Bush saying the war was to "Strengthen the New World Order" or that "out of this, a New World Order will emerge"??? Hawk DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
