Re: [CTRL] Israeli Apartheid Approach Showing Cracks (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Dear Prudence, I can't deny that there is a kind of dehumanization of the Palestinians here and I have endless talks with my sons on this subject. It is all a thing of education. The main reason for it is the fear of terror acts and wars. From time to time when one of my boys have a remark which can be interpreted as racist I try to explain and fight it. When and if... there will be a peace in this area it will take a whole generation to normalize the relationship between the Arab and Jewish people living in this area. The hatred based on 100 years of mutual killing is hard to overcome. (On both sides). Peter A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israeli Apartheid Approach Showing Cracks (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- In a message dated 04/03/2000 2:29:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When and if... there will be a peace in this area it will take a whole generation to normalize the relationship between the Arab and Jewish people living in this area. The hatred based on 100 years of mutual killing is hard to overcome. (On both sides). Where does the l00 years figure come from? According to a friend who fled to Palestine in l939, there were no problems at that time. If your sons are racist, although I don't think Palestinians are of a different race; it's the religion that seems to be so very different, then all your training is for naught. You can take from this that the attitude everywhere in Israel is the one your sons are expressing. It is to be expected. Not however, admired. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israeli Apartheid Approach Showing Cracks (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- In a message dated 04/03/2000 3:54:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My sons are hardly racists... :) they are 9 and 14 years old. And I am sure I am doing a good job to put the right ideas in their minds Perhaps you are right. You will know in ten years. Our children and grandchildren surprise us all the time. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israeli Apartheid Approach Showing Cracks (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Prudy... Prudy I think you should come and visit the "Holy Land" and see by yourself. The reality looks a bit different than your demagogic reply. I don't say everything is perfect here. It's far from the truth. But it's much easier to be an Arab in Israel than an African American in certain places in USA. Take care Peter A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israeli Apartheid Approach Showing Cracks (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- In a message dated 04/02/2000 2:35:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't say everything is perfect here. It's far from the truth. But it's much easier to be an Arab in Israel than an African American in certain places in US I recall meeting a young Israeli physicist who was touring Turkey. We were in a party of five--two couples and one young Turkish man. The small hotel where we were did not have a room for the young Israeli, so since I was paying for our Turkish guide, I suggested that the Israeli share that room and pay the slight difference that two individuals in a room would cost. He did so, sharing the room with the Moslem Turk. The next morning at breakfast, he told me that he was very surprised at our Turkish guide's sense of humor. "Why he makes lots of jokes," he said. "He's really a very pleasant fellow. I never knew that Moslems were like that." I just laughed and told him that our guide was well known for his sense of humor, and everyone always found him pleasant company. Our group climbed up to see the splendors of that particular site, and the Israeli seemed perfectly at ease. His amazement, however, taught me that the Palestinians have been dehumanized to the Israeli people. They are just thought of as idiots with a weird religion. These are not people worth bothering with. They have become the Jews of Nazi Germany. They can go here, but not there. They can live here but not there. They can study here but not there. They can have this job but not that job, and their poetry is not to be studied. It goes on and on. I have accepted the Israeli method of securing their country. Don't ask me to admire that method. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israeli Apartheid Approach Showing Cracks (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Peter: Is it true when Israel closes off the Jordanian border that a Jordanian can not even get through by ambulance to hospitals in Israel for any reason whatsoever? Sincerely, Don Huffman -- [Mode Selection] ForceExisting=no ExistingSRFile= ForceNew=no IntlMode=no [New Acct Mode] AskSaveAcctInfo=yes SavePasswords=yes AskPersonalInfo=yes AskSurvey=yes AskShareInfo=yes AskBillingInfo=yes RegServer=RegServ.SR [Existing Acct Mode] RegPodURL=http://home.netscape.com/comprod/upgrades/index.html ShowIntro2=yes ShowPhones=no AskName=yes AskLogin=yes AskTTY=no AskEmail=yes AskPhone=yes AskDNS=yes AskHosts=yes AskRegister=yes [General] CardTypes="AX,MC,VI,DC" A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israeli Apartheid Approach Showing Cracks (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- In a message dated 03/31/2000 9:41:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Additionally, none of this should obscure the basic fact that the ongoing "peace process" with its Jews-only "by-pass roads", Arabs-only "free-passage roads", and hodge-podge of zones this and that and restrictions for here and there is designed to legitimize the overall dispossession of the Palestinians of most of their lands and resources; and that Israeli settlement "thickening" and "normal growth" throughout the occupied territories still actually continues to this day. But even so, the contradictions and cracks in the very fabric of how Israeli law and custom currently define right and wrong in the area once known as "The Holy Land" (the actual expression Ehud Barak used upon first greeting the Pope earlier this month") should be understood and appreciated. You mean they're going to let the Palestinians out of the Ghettos someday? Do the Palestinians have to wear yellow armbands, like the Jews in Nazi Germany, or is there an easier way to be sure who can go where? Tell me more about Israeli becoming more humane custodians of the land they confiscated. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Israeli Apartheid Approach Showing Cracks (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:28:58 -0500 From: "MiD-EasT RealitieS - www.MiddleEast.Org" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MER [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Israeli Apartheid Approach Showing Cracks - ___ __ / |/ / /___/ / /_ //M I D - E A S T R E A L I T I E S / /|_/ / /_/_ / /\\ Making Sense of the Middle East /_/ /_/ /___/ /_/ \\ CRACKING ISRAELI APARTHEID http://www.MiddleEast.Org News, Information, Analysis That Governments, Interest Groups, and the Corporate Media Don't Want You To Know! --- MER - IF YOU DON'T GET IT, YOU JUST DON'T GET IT! To receive MER regularly email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- MER WEEKEND READING - "STRANGE ADMISSION": [Please forward to friends and concerned persons] CRACKING ISRAELI APARTHEID "They're asserting historic rights, but if we accept this claim the whole country will be theirsThe whole ideological basis of setting up a Jewish state is slipping away." Israeli town Mayor MiD-EasT RealitieS - Washington - 3/30: The Minister of Education -- from the liberal Meretz Party -- wants to allow the teaching of a well-known Palestinian poet in Israeli schools. He is declared a traitor by the leading Rabbi of Shas, another major party in the same coalition goverment of former General Ehud Barak. Then the Attorney General of the same government opens a criminal investigation against the Rabbi for possible "incitement". In another development the Israeli Supreme Court issues a narrow ruling saying "Israeli Arabs" can live in a place where only "Israeli Jews" were allowed to live before. But of course this is the same Supreme Court that claims to have outlawed "torture" in the past; yet somehow those in charge always find loopholes and in the end things haven't changed nearly as much as some would like the world to think. Now one more "amazing admission" in a sense form the Israelis themselves -- that some land should be given back to the villagers who formerly owned it back in the time when Israel was created. The following article appeared this week in the New York Times about a decision by Israeli Interior Minister Natan Sharansky to "restore" to the Arab village of Kufr Qasim 250 acres of land expropriated for the exclusive use of Jews in the 1950s. Kufr Qasim is well-known to historians -- it was the site of a notorious massacre of dozens of villagers by Israeli forces led by the current leader of the Likud Party, Ariel Sharon, in 1956. Objecting to this possibly precedent-setting decision, the mayor of the Jewish town to which the land was given spoke more truth than perhaps he intended. Of the Palestinians who never gave up the struggle to return their land, the mayor said: "They're asserting historic rights, but if we accept this claim the whole country will be theirsThe whole ideological basis of setting up a Jewish state is slipping away." If there ever was an admission that the Zionist "ideological" basis for Israel is the theft of land from its original owners, this simple quotation seems to be it. And it's all the more ironic when Israelis themselves object to someone asserting their "historic rights" when in fact Zionism itself is grounded on claims precisely based in "historic rights." Of course the history of the past half-century also is such that the prospects for basic changes in how Israel operates are not very substantial, even when a government official steps forward to address one particular wrong or a legal decision is handed down that seems to contradict the very fabric of Israeli laws and regulations. Israel has a long history of attention grabbing announcements which never materialize in reality or which are put into effect in extremely marginal and limited ways more for "show" than anything else. Additionally, none of this should obscure the basic fact that the ongoing "peace process" with its Jews-only "by-pass roads", Arabs-only "free-passage roads", and hodge-podge of zones this and that and restrictions for here and there is designed to legitimize the overall dispossession of the Palestinians of most of their lands and resources; and that Israeli settlement "thickening" and "normal growth" throughout the occupied territories still actually continues to this day. But even so, the contradictions and cracks in the very fabric of how Israeli law and custom currently define right and wrong in the area once known as "The Holy Land" (the actual expression Ehud Barak used upon first greeting the Pope earlier this month") should be understood and appreciated. ** ISRAEL SAYS IT WILL RESTORE SEIZED LAND TO ARAB
Re: [CTRL] Israeli Apartheid Approach Showing Cracks (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- The "Crack In The Cosmic Egg"? FWP. --- http://www.vcn.bc.ca/culturex/The-Question-Nobody-Will-Answer.htm --- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
