Re: [CTRL] Israeli Racism becoming main stream
-Caveat Lector- What the hell is a Racialist? A racialist is someone obsessed with race and ethnicity - a tribalist. I have a simple question for you. Do you think the Arabs/Muslims are your friends who mean you well and would not harm you or your fellow contrymen? Yes or no. Arabs or Moslems have no innate hatred for Americans or America. However no doubt they have hatred and resentment against the US for its malevolent policies. Too often evil begets evil. flw www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israeli Racism becoming main stream
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: flw2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CTRL@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Israeli Racism becoming main stream -Caveat Lector- I don't think HE's a racist. I think YOU're a racist. The ultimate aim of his ( and Ha'aretz's) criticism is to make Israel as he sees it, better. He has every right to do so because he is a citizen of that country and a Jew. I am not concerned with Israel - or Palestine - Oh yeah sure. That's so obvious. or Italy - or Turkey. I care about the US because I live here. Good so do I. And since we do it behooves us to understand who is our friend and who is our enemy. The Islamic war has declared war on YOU because you live in America. They want to do away with infidel culture and replace it with their theocracy. Is this a problem for you? The Jews and Israel have NOT declared war on you, and have no intention of replacing Western culture with their theocracy, because the are an integral part of this culture and are doing well in it. I don't care if one is a Jew, Moslem, Catholic or Rock Worshipper. Your self serving nonsensical argument that only Jews can critize Israel is obscene. Stop putting words in my mouth. I wrote no such thing. Anyone can criticize Israel or Jews or the Pope or your mother anytime. [ Except Islam and Mohammed.] I merely pointed out the INTENT behind the criticizm. Yours is malevolent because you are bigot. Ha'aretz is malevolent because they feed religious bigots like you and too many others on this list. But their INTENT is not the same as yours. You are a Zionist Racialist What the hell is a Racialist? obsessed with Israel even though you apparently are an American. Unfortunately your racialist obsession with Israel harms my country How? or at least your perception of what is good for Israel is harmful. I'm not really worried about what is good for Israel. Israel can take care of herself quite well. I'm concerned about what is good for me as an American. Ironically the right wing Fascist Lukidnik views You are an ignorant man. It's not about right wing or left wing or Likud. I happened to be Left Wing, and an early supporter of the Israeli peace movement. What can I say? I was naive. I thought that the Palestinians were sane and rational people who wanted to improve the conditions of their lives. We were wrong, and we will not make the same mistake again soon. So I have seen you reffer to Fascist Likudnik several times now as if that were a bad thing ( Likud is not at all fascist. They are a democratic party in a Parliamentary sysytem.) But I have yet to see you mention REAL fascists like the Islamo-fascists you clowns defend. It seems you just dislike Jew Fascists? you represent can only bring great harm to Israel - and the United States. flw I have a simple question for you. Do you think the Arabs/Muslims are your friends who mean you well and would not harm you or your fellow contrymen? Yes or no. R. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israeli Racism becoming main stream
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: flw2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CTRL@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Israeli Racism becoming main stream -Caveat Lector- Gee, You must be right. The Jews are the intollerant racists here. The Arabs are just poor innocent victems. They bear absolutely no responsibilty for their predicament in the world. Damn Jews. R. No - you must be right. All Arabs bad. All Israeli's good. I never said that. In all large groups, there are bad and good people. The question is not necessarily about individuals but about the groups elites and the behavior of the group. For example; The Germans in the first half of the last century elected the Fascists tolead them. They were supported by a vast majority of Germans as you can see in the old news clips. Does this mean I can't critcize Germans and Germany for starting WW2 just because 5% ( arbitrary ) of the population were decent people? You are an evil racist son of a bitch. Make no mistake about it. To even focus on the relelatively benign predicament of Israeli Arabs, and blow it up to Nazi proportions is in itself a sneaky cowardly kind of viciousness. You are pretenting that you even care about racism and human rights, when all you are interested in is demonizing the Jews. I don't discuss Jews no more then I discuss Christians , Wiccans or Hindus. Israel=Jews, and Jews=Israel. The vast majority of Jews say so. Don't bother pointing out the small percentage of Jews who disagree. They are more or less irrelevant as were the small % of Germans who opposed Hitler, and as are anti-Israel racists in this country. This will not change anytime soon. And furthermore, see what develops if the Arab/Muslims pull off another muderous attack on civillians in this country. If you insist HAARETZ reporter Eli Ashkenazi is a racist - take it up with him. I don't think HE's a racist. I think YOU're a racist. The ultimate aim of his ( and Ha'aretz's) criticism is to make Israel as he sees it, better. He has every right to do so because he is a citizen of that country and a Jew. You are not. And you don't use Ha'aretz for the same purpose. You use that example the same way you use Arab, and racist propaganda for the purpose of doing Israel harm. Interesting that you equate all Jews with Israelis. Why do you think an Israeli newspaper article wants to demonize Jews? flw Ha'aretz used to represent the views of almost 70% of Israelis until that Mother of all Rats, Arafat destroyed any hope for peace between Israel and the Post-Palestinian Arabs. These people were devastated by the realization that the Pal-Arabs only want to kill them off and take back a fully developed functioning country that they were not capable of building. This is what Hammas, an Islamo-fascist terrorist group says they want to do. And the peace-loving Palestinians showed what they are when they voted for Hammas to represent them. This is what the Arabs want and what the supporters of Palestine also secretly desire, but don't have the guts to admit so they couch their racism in the humanitarian jargon of Left. The intended outcome is genocide.This will not happen again. It comes down to an us or them situation ( as it always was,). Do you understand? It comes down to Israel or Palestine. No more room to wiggle. The gloves are off on both sides and Israel will win. That is prefferable to the establishment of an other Islamo-fascist Muslim State. Do you agree? R. If you REALLY were the caring kind of person you pretend to be, the Israeli/Palistinian issue wouldn't even come up. You would rightly focus on what the Arabs are doing to the Kurds, whom they made landless and don't allow to even use their own language. 30 Million of them. The largest, and longest disposesed ( real ) nation on earth. Ten times as many as poor suffering Palestinians who claim that dubious honor to manipulate phony humanitarians like you. You would SHOUT about how the Arabs have wiped out and expelled hundreds of thousands of non-Muslim Blacks in and around Darfur. Instead of posting the drivel you posted above, you would protest the conditions in Saudi Arabia, the heart of Arab culture, where foreign workers are treated like slaves, and where other religions are not permitted to build houses of worship. Where, a convert is beheaded. Where women are not permitted to drive. Where homosexuals are put to death. You are a fucker sir! Don't you dare claim that you are not anti-semitic. You don't even have the guts to be honest about it like the KKK is. You have made it quite obvious what you and others on this list are. R. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceâ?not soap-boxingâ?please! These are sordid matters
Re: [CTRL] Israeli Racism becoming main stream
-Caveat Lector- I don't think HE's a racist. I think YOU're a racist. The ultimate aim of his ( and Ha'aretz's) criticism is to make Israel as he sees it, better. He has every right to do so because he is a citizen of that country and a Jew. I am not concerned with Israel - or Palestine - or Italy - or Turkey. I care about the US because I live here. I don't care if one is a Jew, Moslem, Catholic or Rock Worshipper. Your self serving nonsensical argument that only Jews can critize Israel is obscene. You are a Zionist Racialist obsessed with Israel even though you apparently are an American. Unfortunately your racialist obsession with Israel harms my country or at least your perception of what is good for Israel is harmful. Ironically the right wing Fascist Lukidnik views you represent can only bring great harm to Israel - and the United States. flw www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israeli Racism becoming main stream
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: flw2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CTRL@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:04 PM Subject: [CTRL] Israeli Racism becoming main stream -Caveat Lector- 68% OF ISRAELI JEWS WOULD REFUSE TO LIVE IN SAME BUILDING AS AN ARAB http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/697458.html HAARETZ - Sixty-eight percent of Israeli Jews would refuse to live in the same apartment building as an Israeli Arab, according to the results of an annual poll released Wednesday by the Center for the Struggle Against Racism. . . Forty-six percent of Jews would refuse to allow an Arab to visit their home while 50 percent would welcome an Arab visitor. Forty-one percent of Jewish support the segregation of Jews and Arabs in places of recreation and 52 percent of such Jews would oppose such a move. The inclination toward segregation rises as the income level of the poll respondent drops and also as the level of religious observance rises. Support for segregation between Jews and Arabs is also higher among Jews of Middle Eastern origin as opposed to those of European origin. Because they know the Arabs BEST. They enjoyed Arab liberalism and equality for over 2000 years. Racism is becoming mainstream. When people talk about transfer or about Arabs as a demographic time-bomb, no one raises their voice against such statements. This is a worrisome phenomenon, Bachar Ouda, director of the Center for the Struggle Against Racism, said on Tuesday. The report covered the year 2005 and the center will, in the future, present monthly and bi-annual polls. . . The poll further revealed that 63 percent of Jewish Israelis agree with the statement, Arabs are a security and demographic threat to the state. . . . Thirty-four percent also agreed with the statement that Arab culture is inferior to Israeli culture. . . . Half of Israeli Jews express fear or discomfort when hearing people speaking Arabic. Eighteen percent of Jews said they feel hate when hearing Arabic speakers. So you think that Israelis should regard the Arabs who are their avowed enemy, who are murdering Israeli civilians, who have promised genocide against the Israeli Jews, to look at them as neighbors? Kind of like the Irish and Italians in Boston and N.Y.? Like Blacks and Whites in Washington DC.? Like Arabs and Europeans in France, Germany, Holland, Denmark, Spain, and England? Gee, You must be right. The Jews are the intollerant racists here. The Arabs are just poor innocent victems. They bear absolutely no responsibilty for their predicament in the world. Damn Jews. R. PS: By the way, who is that is committing REAL genocide in Sudan? Who is it that is still stealing Black Africans and selling them into slavery? Who is cutting off the hands and feet of Black African children so they can't run away from their Arab masters? Who is it that is raping Black women to lighten their children? Who is it that says Blacks are only animals and good to be slaves? Can't be Arabs. It MUST BE the two Jews left in Sudan. + You are an evil racist son of a bitch. Make no mistake about it. To even focus on the relelatively benign predicament of Israeli Arabs, and blow it up to Nazi proportions is in itself a sneaky cowardly kind of viciousness. You are pretenting that you even care about racism and human rights, when all you are interested in is demonizing the Jews. If you REALLY were the caring kind of person you pretend to be, the Israeli/Palistinian issue wouldn't even come up. You would rightly focus on what the Arabs are doing to the Kurds, whom they made landless and don't allow to even use their own language. 30 Million of them. The largest, and longest disposesed ( real ) nation on earth. Ten times as many as poor suffering Palestinians who claim that dubious honor to manipulate phony humanitarians like you. You would SHOUT about how the Arabs have wiped out and expelled hundreds of thousands of non-Muslim Blacks in and around Darfur. Instead of posting the drivel you posted above, you would protest the conditions in Saudi Arabia, the heart of Arab culture, where foreign workers are treated like slaves, and where other religions are not permitted to build houses of worship. Where, a convert is beheaded. Where women are not permitted to drive. Where homosexuals are put to death. You are a fucker sir! Don't you dare claim that you are not anti-semitic. You don't even have the guts to be honest about it like the KKK is. You have made it quite obvious what you and others on this list are. R. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor
Re: [CTRL] Israeli Racism becoming main stream
-Caveat Lector- Gee, You must be right. The Jews are the intollerant racists here. The Arabs are just poor innocent victems. They bear absolutely no responsibilty for their predicament in the world. Damn Jews. R. No - you must be right. All Arabs bad. All Israeli's good. You are an evil racist son of a bitch. Make no mistake about it. To even focus on the relelatively benign predicament of Israeli Arabs, and blow it up to Nazi proportions is in itself a sneaky cowardly kind of viciousness. You are pretenting that you even care about racism and human rights, when all you are interested in is demonizing the Jews. I don't discuss Jews no more then I discuss Christians , Wiccans or Hindus. If you insist HAARETZ reporter Eli Ashkenazi is a racist - take it up with him. Interesting that you equate all Jews with Israelis. Why do you think an Israeli newspaper article wants to demonize Jews? flw If you REALLY were the caring kind of person you pretend to be, the Israeli/Palistinian issue wouldn't even come up. You would rightly focus on what the Arabs are doing to the Kurds, whom they made landless and don't allow to even use their own language. 30 Million of them. The largest, and longest disposesed ( real ) nation on earth. Ten times as many as poor suffering Palestinians who claim that dubious honor to manipulate phony humanitarians like you. You would SHOUT about how the Arabs have wiped out and expelled hundreds of thousands of non-Muslim Blacks in and around Darfur. Instead of posting the drivel you posted above, you would protest the conditions in Saudi Arabia, the heart of Arab culture, where foreign workers are treated like slaves, and where other religions are not permitted to build houses of worship. Where, a convert is beheaded. Where women are not permitted to drive. Where homosexuals are put to death. You are a fucker sir! Don't you dare claim that you are not anti-semitic. You don't even have the guts to be honest about it like the KKK is. You have made it quite obvious what you and others on this list are. R. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceâ?not soap-boxingâ?please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'â?with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâ?is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Israeli Racism becoming main stream
-Caveat Lector- 68% OF ISRAELI JEWS WOULD REFUSE TO LIVE IN SAME BUILDING AS AN ARAB http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/697458.html HAARETZ - Sixty-eight percent of Israeli Jews would refuse to live in the same apartment building as an Israeli Arab, according to the results of an annual poll released Wednesday by the Center for the Struggle Against Racism. . . Forty-six percent of Jews would refuse to allow an Arab to visit their home while 50 percent would welcome an Arab visitor. Forty-one percent of Jewish support the segregation of Jews and Arabs in places of recreation and 52 percent of such Jews would oppose such a move. The inclination toward segregation rises as the income level of the poll respondent drops and also as the level of religious observance rises. Support for segregation between Jews and Arabs is also higher among Jews of Middle Eastern origin as opposed to those of European origin. Racism is becoming mainstream. When people talk about transfer or about Arabs as a demographic time-bomb, no one raises their voice against such statements. This is a worrisome phenomenon, Bachar Ouda, director of the Center for the Struggle Against Racism, said on Tuesday. The report covered the year 2005 and the center will, in the future, present monthly and bi-annual polls. . . The poll further revealed that 63 percent of Jewish Israelis agree with the statement, Arabs are a security and demographic threat to the state. . . . Thirty-four percent also agreed with the statement that Arab culture is inferior to Israeli culture. . . . Half of Israeli Jews express fear or discomfort when hearing people speaking Arabic. Eighteen percent of Jews said they feel hate when hearing Arabic speakers. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
