Re: [CTRL] Jewish Woman Exposes Israeli Slaughter Of Innocents
-Caveat Lector- flw wrote: -Caveat Lector- I don't believe this story. Produce some evidence that a) It's true. and b) There really is a MonaE. and that she is Jewish. I have several propaganda pieces which claim to be written by Jews and turn out to be fabrications by Arabs. Show me. J2 I don't believe J2 exists. I suspect J2's right wing screeds are really propaganda diatribes posted by fanatic Israeli colonialists...er, I mean settlers. Either that, or J2 is actually a clever Palestinian PR flack who is attempting to discredit Israel by parroting the crazy views of Israeli Fascists. flw I'd like to thank flw for giving us a perfect example of his usual judgement. Been taking lessons from Colleen have you? J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Jewish Woman Exposes Israeli Slaughter Of Innocents
In a message dated 8/2/01 5:04:58 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd like to thank flw for giving us a perfect example of his usual judgement. Been taking lessons from Colleen have you? Well "J2", your sickening defense of the Judeo-Nazis is fairly hard to understand! Seems flw has at least produced a few possibilities. Bill.
Re: [CTRL] Jewish Woman Exposes Israeli Slaughter Of Innocents
-Caveat Lector- I don't believe this story. Produce some evidence that a) It's true. and b) There really is a MonaE. and that she is Jewish. I have several propaganda pieces which claim to be written by Jews and turn out to be fabrications by Arabs. Show me. J2 I don't believe J2 exists. I suspect J2's right wing screeds are really propaganda diatribes posted by fanatic Israeli colonialists...er, I mean settlers. Either that, or J2 is actually a clever Palestinian PR flack who is attempting to discredit Israel by parroting the crazy views of Israeli Fascists. flw A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Jewish Woman Exposes Israeli Slaughter Of Innocents
http://www.davidicke.com/icke/index1c.html Intifada/Israeli Siege Subj: [AL-AWDA] Testimony To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am a Jewish woman with family who lived in Haifa for 10 generations. I just returned from living in Ramallah, the West Bank, Occupied Palestine, for eight months. I went to work as a volunteer at a nonprofit, not knowing that the second Intifada would break out soon after I arrived. But once there, I became a witness of the life of the Palestinian people during the Intifada, and joined other people who were international observers from Non Governmental Organizations (NGOs), and together we witnessed the daily realities of Palestinian life and how they were misrepresented in the American and Israeli media. In the nonviolent demonstrations which I witnessed, such as those in which Palestinians dismantled with their bare hands the roadblocks that prevent thousands of people from accessing vocation, trade, basic services and even emergency medical treatment, I cannot tell you how many people I saw shot, wounded, and killed. I lost count. After the first murder I witnessed of the man standing in front of me, I grew numb. Then it was just a stream of bodies, the guy with his head blown off, the little boys so small you don't even need a stretcher for them, and old women, carried off into ambulances which every single time were shot at by the Israelis directly on the driver's side of the windshield. Ambulances turned back at checkpoints. Throughout this Intifada/Israeli Siege, what I witnessed was an overwhelmingly nonviolent struggle within Palestinian civil society for justice. Every one of the endless demonstrations I attended began as marches with signs, banners and chants. The Israelis shot first every single time before any rocks were thrown. Rocks, thrown at armored jeeps' seldom hit fenders, stones that are a symbolic way of saying, "We will resist our oppression, even if you have a tank and I have a rock." In fact, the Israeli soldiers even shot at some of the demonstrations when people were doing nothing more than singing "we shall overcome" and no stones were thrown even after the Israeli soldiers began and continued to shoot. Every night I went to sleep to the sound of shells falling on the nearby school for blind children. I walked to do my shopping past 10-year-old boys with patches over their eyes. How come all of them in the eye? Accident? The death toll for the Israelis is about 100, the death toll for the Palestinians about 600. Numbers cannot reflect the losses. The Palestinians also have about 20,000 wounded civilians, some in critical condition and many permanently disabled, while hospitals are being attacked and medical clinics destroyed. I had to walk through streets of crippled people, through the human traffic of funerals, which become demonstrations, which become more funerals, just to get a can of soda. And that's just Area A. Area A is like a vacation. Don't know what that is? Learn your ABCs. I'll be happy to help you. Then maybe we can have a conversation. In Areas B and C, where the majority of people live in villages completely surrounded by clusters of Israeli settlements such as Ariel, which even within Barak's generous offer were set to remain permanently, in order to maintain permanent military bases, life is much worse. The children cannot breathe. The tear gas day and night being thrown at their windows has damaged their respiratory systems, maybe irrevocably at this point. I have even tried to scream at the soldiers pleading, "the children are being taken to the hospital." But then they shot at me so I ran back inside the house I was visiting. Night and day there are settlers attacking, backed by soldiers, shooting into the villages and screaming "Death to the Arabs," burning down property, even marching into schools in broad daylight and shooting the kids. The soldiers shot my friend in the middle of the day while he was standing outside his house bringing the kids inside as the troops stomped through the village. They threw a stun grenade into his brother's face and then pointed an M-16 at his head and threatened to shoot anyone who would try to bring my friend to an emergency medical vehicle. It took 30 minutes before he was permitted to be taken to a hospital. Now he is paralyzed. This is only a partial list of what I have witnessed in the past eight months. I saw it myself, and I have no motivation to exaggerate. I don't hate Israelis (my own family) or Jews (my own people). But I saw all this, and I know that many people simply deny it, won't believe it, and have been given no information in the media which would make what I actually saw seem comprehensible to them. What is happening is called ethnic cleansing? The death toll in baseball terms may be 100 to 600, but this isn't baseball. The figures do not describe the conditions of life the Palestinians are living under, which is a fabric torn from the seams of hell that you cannot imagine
Re: [CTRL] Jewish Woman Exposes Israeli Slaughter Of Innocents
-Caveat Lector- William Shannon wrote: http://www.davidicke.com/icke/index1c.html Intifada/Israeli Siege Subj: [AL-AWDA] Testimony To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am a Jewish woman with family who lived in Haifa for 10 generations. I just returned from living in Ramallah, the West Bank, Occupied Palestine, for eight months. I went to work as a volunteer at a nonprofit, not knowing that the second Intifada would break out soon after I arrived. But once there, I became a witness of the life of the Palestinian people during the Intifada, and joined other people who were international observers from Non Governmental Organizations (NGOs), and together we witnessed the daily realities of Palestinian life and how they were misrepresented in the American and Israeli media. In the nonviolent demonstrations which I witnessed, such as those in which Palestinians dismantled with their bare hands the roadblocks that prevent thousands of people from accessing vocation, trade, basic services and even emergency medical treatment, I cannot tell you how many people I saw shot, wounded, and killed. I lost count. After the first murder I witnessed of the man standing in front of me, I grew numb. Then it was just a stream of bodies, the guy with his head blown off, the little boys so small you don't even need a stretcher for them, and old women, carried off into ambulances which every single time were shot at by the Israelis directly on the driver's side of the windshield. Ambulances turned back at checkpoints. Throughout this Intifada/Israeli Siege, what I witnessed was an overwhelmingly nonviolent struggle within Palestinian civil society for justice. Every one of the endless demonstrations I attended began as marches with signs, banners and chants. The Israelis shot first every single time before any rocks were thrown. Rocks, thrown at armored jeeps' seldom hit fenders, stones that are a symbolic way of saying, We will resist our oppression, even if you have a tank and I have a rock. In fact, the Israeli soldiers even shot at some of the demonstrations when people were doing nothing more than singing we shall overcome and no stones were thrown even after the Israeli soldiers began and continued to shoot. Every night I went to sleep to the sound of shells falling on the nearby school for blind children. I walked to do my shopping past 10-year-old boys with patches over their eyes. How come all of them in the eye? Accident? The death toll for the Israelis is about 100, the death toll for the Palestinians about 600. Numbers cannot reflect the losses. The Palestinians also have about 20,000 wounded civilians, some in critical condition and many permanently disabled, while hospitals are being attacked and medical clinics destroyed. I had to walk through streets of crippled people, through the human traffic of funerals, which become demonstrations, which become more funerals, just to get a can of soda. And that's just Area A. Area A is like a vacation. Don't know what that is? Learn your ABCs. I'll be happy to help you. Then maybe we can have a conversation. In Areas B and C, where the majority of people live in villages completely surrounded by clusters of Israeli settlements such as Ariel, which even within Barak's generous offer were set to remain permanently, in order to maintain permanent military bases, life is much worse. The children cannot breathe. The tear gas day and night being thrown at their windows has damaged their respiratory systems, maybe irrevocably at this point. I have even tried to scream at the soldiers pleading, the children are being taken to the hospital. But then they shot at me so I ran back inside the house I was visiting. Night and day there are settlers attacking, backed by soldiers, shooting into the villages and screaming Death to the Arabs, burning down property, even marching into schools in broad daylight and shooting the kids. The soldiers shot my friend in the middle of the day while he was standing outside his house bringing the kids inside as the troops stomped through the village. They threw a stun grenade into his brother's face and then pointed an M-16 at his head and threatened to shoot anyone who would try to bring my friend to an emergency medical vehicle. It took 30 minutes before he was permitted to be taken to a hospital. Now he is paralyzed. This is only a partial list of what I have witnessed in the past eight months. I saw it myself, and I have no motivation to exaggerate. I don't hate Israelis (my own family) or Jews (my own people). But I saw all this, and I know that many people simply deny it, won't believe it, and have been given no information in the media which would make what I actually saw seem comprehensible to them. What is happening is called ethnic cleansing? The death toll in baseball terms may be 100 to 600, but this isn't baseball. The figures do not describe the conditions of life the
Re: [CTRL] Jewish Woman Exposes Israeli Slaughter Of Innocents
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Jewish Woman Exposes Israeli Slaughter Of Innocents -Caveat Lector- William Shannon wrote: http://www.davidicke.com/icke/index1c.html Intifada/Israeli Siege Subj: [AL-AWDA] Testimony To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am a Jewish woman with family who lived in Haifa for 10 generations. I just returned from living in Ramallah, the West Bank, Occupied Palestine, for eight months. Mona E Email address source on file I don't believe this story. Produce some evidence that a) It's true. and b) There really is a MonaE. and that she is Jewish. I have several propaganda pieces which claim to be written by Jews and turn out to be fabrications by Arabs. Show me. J2 this is a difficult one- i suspect, like me, you tend to disbelieve it- or treat it with more scepticism because it is from icke's crappy site. but i recognise that there is attrocities against the palestinians- and it is an unequal war- an army against a civilian population as described in the article. most of it seems credible- but anectotal, rather than a true account of her first hand witnessing of the events. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
