Re: [CTRL] MYTH OF EVOLUTION - EVEN MORE SCIENTISTS SPEAK OUT! - 2
Thank you for a sensible response. - Original Message - From: "tenebroust" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] MYTH OF EVOLUTION - EVEN MORE SCIENTISTS SPEAK OUT! - 2 > This is just another issue which is polarized with the Hegelian Dialectic which is the template for societal control in effect, as well as another expression of wrong thinking "dualism" in that there does not HAVE TO BE a dichotomy between the two, but one is put there, and that is the focus. > This issue is one of hot tempers and rigidly held BELIEFS, since we can NEVER KNOW for sure how it all happened. Belief in evolution does not have to preclude God, and vice versa. Also, ones opposition to the idea of evolution DOES NOT make them automatically an idiot or stupid, nor does it mean that they fit into sterotypical "creationist" positions (earth only 6,000 years old, etc). > > > > On Sat, 20 May 2000, Carl Amedio wrote: > > > > > Ho Hum. And the World is only 6000 years old. > > There is no dichotomy between the Theory of Evolution and the belief in a > > Creator God. > > > > Carl > > > > http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org > > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > > == > > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic > > screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are > > sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, > > misdirections > > and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and > > minor > > effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, > > CTRL > > gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; > > be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and > > nazi's need not apply. > > > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > > > Archives Available at: > > http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html > > http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl > > > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Om > > "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix > > "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space > Odyssey > ___ > > Why pay when you don't have to? Get AltaVista Free Internet Access now! > http://jump.altavista.com/freeaccess4.go > > ___ > > http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic > screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are > sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, > misdirections > and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and > minor > effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, > CTRL > gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; > be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and > nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html > http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om > http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange
Re: [CTRL] MYTH OF EVOLUTION - EVEN MORE SCIENTISTS SPEAK OUT! - 2
This is just another issue which is polarized with the Hegelian Dialectic which is the template for societal control in effect, as well as another expression of wrong thinking "dualism" in that there does not HAVE TO BE a dichotomy between the two, but one is put there, and that is the focus. This issue is one of hot tempers and rigidly held BELIEFS, since we can NEVER KNOW for sure how it all happened. Belief in evolution does not have to preclude God, and vice versa. Also, ones opposition to the idea of evolution DOES NOT make them automatically an idiot or stupid, nor does it mean that they fit into sterotypical "creationist" positions (earth only 6,000 years old, etc). On Sat, 20 May 2000, Carl Amedio wrote: > > Ho Hum. And the World is only 6000 years old. > There is no dichotomy between the Theory of Evolution and the belief in a > Creator God. > > Carl > > http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic > screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are > sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, > misdirections > and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and > minor > effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, > CTRL > gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; > be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and > nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html > http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey ___ Why pay when you don't have to? Get AltaVista Free Internet Access now! http://jump.altavista.com/freeaccess4.go ___ http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] MYTH OF EVOLUTION - EVEN MORE SCIENTISTS SPEAK OUT! - 2
Ho Hum. And the World is only 6000 years old. There is no dichotomy between the Theory of Evolution and the belief in a Creator God. Carl http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] MYTH OF EVOLUTION - EVEN MORE SCIENTISTS SPEAK OUT! - 2
Thank you. Gavin. http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] MYTH OF EVOLUTION - EVEN MORE SCIENTISTS SPEAK OUT! - 2
MYTH OF EVOLUTION - EVEN MORE SCIENTISTS SPEAK OUT! - 2 There are scientists all over the world who know that evolutionary theory is bankrupt. Such men as *Charles Darwin, *Thomas and *Julian Huxley, and *Steven Jay Gould have admitted it. But you will not find these statements in the popular press. Such admissions are only made to fellow professionals. An asterisk ( * ) by a name indicates that person is not known to be a creationist. "Paleontologists [fossil experts] have paid an exorbitant price for Darwin's argument. We fancy ourselves as the only true students of life's history, yet to preserve our favored account of evolution by natural selection we view our data as so bad that we almost never see the very process we profess to study."-*Steven Jay Gould, The Panda's Thumb (1982), pp. 181-182 [Harvard professor and the leading evolutionary spokesman of the latter half of the twentieth century]. "The problem of the origin of species has not advanced in the last 150 years. One hundred and fifty years have already passed during which it has been said that the evolution of the species is a fact but, without giving real proofs of it and without even a principle of explaining it. During the last one hundred and fifty years of research that has been carried out along this line [in order to prove the theory], there has been no discovery of anything. It is simply a repetition in different ways of what Darwin said in 1859. This lack of results is unforgivable in a day when molecular biology has really opened the veil covering the mystery of reproduction and heredity . . "Finally, there is only one attitude which is possible as I have just shown: It consists in affirming that intelligence comes before life. Many people will say this is not science, it is philosophy. The only thing I am interested in is fact, and this conclusion comes out of an analysis and observation of the facts."-*G. Salet, Hasard et Certitude: Le Transformisme devant la Biologie Actuelle (1973), p. 331. "The theories of evolution, with which our studious youth have been deceived, constitute actually a dogma that all the world continues to teach; but each, in his specialty, the zoologist or the botanist, ascertains that none of the explanations furnished is adequate . . It results from this summary, that the theory of evolution is impossible."-*P. Lemoine, "Introduction: De L' Evolution?" Encyclopedie Francaise, Vol. 5 (1937), p. 6. "Darwinism is a creed not only with scientists committed to document the all-purpose role of natural selection. It is a creed with masses of people who have at best a vague notion of the mechanism of evolution as proposed by Darwin, let alone as further complicated by his successors. Clearly, the appeal cannot be that of a scientific truth but of a philosophical belief which is not difficult to identify. Darwinism is a belief in the meaninglessness of existence."-*R. Kirk, "The Rediscovery of Creation," in National Review, (May 27, 1983), p. 641. "I have always been slightly suspicious of the theory of evolution because of its ability to account for any property of living beings (the long neck of the giraffe, for example). I have therefore tried to see whether biological discoveries over the last thirty years or so fit in with Darwin's theory. I do not think that they do. To my mind, the theory does not stand up at all."-*H. Lipson, "A Physicist Looks at Evolution," Physic Bulletin, 31 (1980), p. 138. "Evolution is baseless and quite incredible."-*John Ambrose Fleming, President, British Association for Advancement of Science, in The Unleashing of Evolutionary Thought. "Unfortunately, in the field of evolution most explanations are not good. As a matter of fact, they hardly qualify as explanations at all; they are suggestions, hunches, pipe dreams, hardly worthy of being called hypotheses."-*Norman Macbeth, Darwin Retried (1971), p. 147. "It is not the duty of science to defend the theory of evolution, and stick by it to the bitter end-no matter which illogical and unsupported conclusions it offers. On the contrary, it is expected that scientists recognize the patently obvious impossibility of Darwin's pronouncements and predictions . . Let's cut the umbilical cord that tied us down to Darwin for such a long time. It is choking us and holding us back."-I.L. Cohen, Darwin Was Wrong: A Study in Probabilities (1985). "This general tendency to eliminate, by means of unverifiable speculations, the limits of the categories Nature presents to us, is the inheritance of biology from The Origin of Species. To establish the continuity required by theory, historical arguments are invoked, even though historical evidence is lacking. Thus are engendered those fragile towers of hypothesis based on hypothesis, where fact and fiction intermingle in an inextricable confusion."-*W.R. Thompson, "Introduction," to Everyman's Library issue of *Charles Darwin's, Origin of Species (1956 edition). " `Scientists who go about
