Re: [CTRL] NYTimes.com Article: Treated Like Trash
-Caveat Lector- Steve, You are not the first to take issue with Saba and won't be the last, I'm sure. I have been on both sides of her rants and hopefully that indicates balance. > -Original Message- > From: Steve Suranie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > 1. Learn to spell > 2. Learn to write coherently. > 3. Provide some refrences Unless you are trying to look foolish, it might be best to just ignore or delete things you don't like. Asking someone else to do something you are not doing is hypocritical. > > you are: > A gun toting,militaristic, homophobic, racist > This may or may not be true, but the idea that any human being knows what another human being is thinking at any one time is illogical and not based on reality. This is why I prefer first-person accounts of historical events such as the moon landings or WWII. Even well-researched accounts by third parties are subject to far-fetched guesses by the researchers as to the motivation and thoughts of the participants. Even two participants of the same event can have vastly different observations. Labels are easy to apply but almost never accurate; they stop thinking dead and I object to that. http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] NYTimes.com Article: Treated Like Trash
-Caveat Lector- 1. Learn to spell or at least use the spell check capabiltiy of your e-mail application. 2. Learn to write coherently. This stream of conscious writing is annoying 3. Provide some refrences to whatever obscure point you are trying to make: Trying to pull together some sort of sense from your comments below I can only gather that you are: A gun toting,militaristic, homophobic, racist who...actually other than that I can't make sense of what ever your saying. > -- > From: Aleisha Saba > Reply To: Conspiracy Theory Research List > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 3:36 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [CTRL] NYTimes.com Article: Treated Like Trash > > -Caveat Lector- > > Well remember the USS Arizona, the USS Liberty, and the USS Cole. > > Think these men are in a service now of which they may be proud; it took > Clinton eight years to completely demoralize the troops, homosxuals > though now can go to war and be killed along with the best of them - and > oh yes, Courts used to send kinds to the serviice it was there or > jail > > So Elvis Presley went into the service and when a kid he drove a truck; > the servie put him back to where he was most qualified, he drove a > truck. > > He did, however try to set a good example. > > To see a Navy Captain, the one in charge of the submarine break down and > cry about sinking Japanese sub ws a disgraceso now Colin Powell > wants to declare wawr on AIDS when it should be against the Unitaed > Nationsthe model citizen of Jamacian parents, of asian, black, and > white blood.to whom does he really owe his allegiance? > > Where are the Commando Kellys, the Audie Murphys, the Colin Kellys, the > fighting Sullivns - now these were real men and my brother in law was a > real man but also a great brain in over and above the top of > intelligence who was friends to some of the greatest people in the > history of this country. > > So where are they now? Well look at the Sodomist Clinton, the former > Commander in Chief of the Military - the baby murderer - and you see > what this country is today. > > A man was on TV today that explained what Bush wants for this country > Israel already has, India wants, and the Russians in process of doing > now. > > And we are told to disarm? Take away their guns first of all citizens > and infest the militiary with homosexuals...isn't tht sweet and now > the homos want out. > > Well if they go to war, let them go out and get shot at and see the > yellow streaks all the wawy to the guard house. > > Saba > > Further Barbara Douglas of McDonnell Douglas married Hap Arnold's > son.so if the Douglas family and the Arnold family seem to be in > cahoots this is why for they are family now. > > Hap Arnold was a great American Hero...so was General Nathan Twining > and General Hoyt Vandenberg for whom my brother in law worked .he > job ws to set up missile bases over the world to defend the free world > from these bastard Communist countries who murdered of 55 million > CLhristians? > > http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing > propagandic > screeds are unwelcomed. Substance--not soap-boxin---please! These are > sordid matters and 'conspiracy theor-'--with its many half-truths, mis- > directions and outright fra-ds--is used politically by different groups > with > major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and > thought. > That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and > always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no > credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om > > http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxing
Re: [CTRL] NYTimes.com Article: Treated Like Trash
-Caveat Lector- Well remember the USS Arizona, the USS Liberty, and the USS Cole. Think these men are in a service now of which they may be proud; it took Clinton eight years to completely demoralize the troops, homosxuals though now can go to war and be killed along with the best of them - and oh yes, Courts used to send kinds to the serviice it was there or jail So Elvis Presley went into the service and when a kid he drove a truck; the servie put him back to where he was most qualified, he drove a truck. He did, however try to set a good example. To see a Navy Captain, the one in charge of the submarine break down and cry about sinking Japanese sub ws a disgraceso now Colin Powell wants to declare wawr on AIDS when it should be against the Unitaed Nationsthe model citizen of Jamacian parents, of asian, black, and white blood.to whom does he really owe his allegiance? Where are the Commando Kellys, the Audie Murphys, the Colin Kellys, the fighting Sullivns - now these were real men and my brother in law was a real man but also a great brain in over and above the top of intelligence who was friends to some of the greatest people in the history of this country. So where are they now? Well look at the Sodomist Clinton, the former Commander in Chief of the Military - the baby murderer - and you see what this country is today. A man was on TV today that explained what Bush wants for this country Israel already has, India wants, and the Russians in process of doing now. And we are told to disarm? Take away their guns first of all citizens and infest the militiary with homosexuals...isn't tht sweet and now the homos want out. Well if they go to war, let them go out and get shot at and see the yellow streaks all the wawy to the guard house. Saba Further Barbara Douglas of McDonnell Douglas married Hap Arnold's son.so if the Douglas family and the Arnold family seem to be in cahoots this is why for they are family now. Hap Arnold was a great American Hero...so was General Nathan Twining and General Hoyt Vandenberg for whom my brother in law worked .he job ws to set up missile bases over the world to defend the free world from these bastard Communist countries who murdered of 55 million CLhristians? http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NYTimes.com Article: Treated Like Trash
-Caveat Lector- This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Navy has been looking pretty skanky for a long time, and they keep telling us they're cleaning up their act. It appears they have added lying to their list of sins. It wasn't always this way. There was a time when the Navy was a respectable service that men were proud to have served in. Tailhook was a shock; the Boy Scouts filming them throwing green plastic bags full of trash over the side of the ship didn't make a very good impression; their unrepentant killing of ocean life with their sonar experiments was ugly; and their use of Depleted Uranium on Vieques and surrounding ocean was ill advised at best; but now they have given the world a really good view of their character by their actions as outlined in this Herbert column. What a bunch of bums they are. No wonder they have trouble keeping personnel. When I think carefully about this; however, I recall that persons with Spanish surnames and who served in the Navy were always given positions as servants. The Navy didn't think they were abusing the civil rights of Americans; they thought they were disciplining some inferior folks who just didn't know their place. Prudy / advertisement ---\ Let NYTimes.com Come to You Sign up for one of our weekly e-mails and the news will come directly to you. YOUR MONEY brings you a wealth of analysis and information about personal investing. CIRCUITS plugs you into the latest on personal technology. TRAVEL DISPATCH offers you a jump on special travel deals and news. http://email.nytimes.com/email/email.jsp?eta5 \--/ Treated Like Trash IN AMERICA By BOB HERBERT elda González may be 68 years old, the vice president of the Senate in Puerto Rico and a grandmother several times over. But none of that mattered to U.S. Navy officials who treated her like trash, which is the same way they've treated so many others who have been arrested for protesting the Navy's bombing exercises on the island of Vieques. Ms. González was with a large group of protesters, including a U.S. congressman, Luis Gutierrez of Illinois, who were arrested on Vieques in April and subjected to harsh, dangerous and at times sadistic treatment at the hands of Navy personnel. Details of the arrests made that weekend have been emerging through interviews and a hearing held in Washington last week by members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus. Ms. González and dozens of others were rounded up by security personnel on the afternoon of April 28 and charged with trespassing on Navy property. "As soon as they caught us," said Ms. González in a telephone interview on Tuesday, "we offered our hands and they handcuffed us." The detainees were taken by truck to a fenced-in detention area. Several, still handcuffed, were forced to kneel for extended periods on the gravel and rock-strewn ground. They were taunted and told by their captors to "eat dirt." One of those kneeling was Congressman Gutierrez. The military guards became enraged when he lifted one of his legs and extended it behind him while he tried awkwardly to clear some debris from the spot where he was kneeling. The congressman and several witnesses, including Ms. González, said two of the guards grabbed Mr. Gutierrez by his shirt and trousers, lifted him in the air and tossed him several feet. When he landed face down they began kicking him. "I was yelling, 'He's a congressman! He's a congressman!' " said Ms. González. After being held overnight in the detention area, the detainees were taken by barge to the main island of Puerto Rico. Some of the prisoners were forced to kneel in the hot sun on the deck of the barge. Young women kneeling on the deck were harassed by officers who made obscene comments and gestures. Ms. González said the prisoners were worried because they were still handcuffed and were not wearing life jackets. She said they were told that prisoners given life jackets would be required to have their hands cuffed behind their backs. "That would force us to lean forward if we were in the water, even with a life jacket," said Ms. González. "We would drown if there was an accident. So we preferred to stay with our hands cuffed in the front." The ordeal that caused Ms. González to weep was still to come. The prisoners were subjected to body searches at a processing center. For some reason, when it was Ms. González's turn to be searched, she was taken outside, and the search was conducted in public. "They made the most indecent, disgusting, immoral search of me, out in the street, in front of a cyclone fence with 20 Navy men watching," she said. It was more an exercise in humiliation than a real search. It was conducted by a woman who began by lifting Ms. González's blouse. The rest of the search consisted of the very public rubbing, squeezing and ma
