Re: [CTRL] Pierce On The Value Of Truth And Righteousness

2001-11-20 Thread Agent Smiley

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 In a message dated 11/19/01 5:35:22 PM Central
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  Has there even been a trickle of Neo-Nazi
 propaganda? I haven't seen
   it...funny how anyone who disagrees with certain
 things gets demonized as a
   neo-nazi! Funny how grown adults are so afraid
 of certain opinions or
   points of view.

   And finally, if this isn't neo-Nazi propaganda, I
 don't know what is.


you don't know what it is


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Re: [CTRL] Pierce On The Value Of Truth And Righteousness

2001-11-19 Thread Agent Smiley

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 In a message dated 11/17/01 10:03:35 AM Central
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  It was all an act. The aim was not to safeguard
 anybody's freedom; it
   was to destroy Germany because the Germans had
 gotten the Jews off their
   backs and out of their country. We made war
 against Germany in order to
   make Europe safe for the Jews and for no other
 reason. We are making war
   against Afghanistan now in order to make the
 Middle East safe for the
   Jews, and for no other reason.

   The Germans had gotten the Jews off their backs
 and out of their country?
  I thought Holocaust denials were not welcome here,
 and that Nazis need not
 apply!

personally, if ANY kind of censorship is allowed here
i am out of here talking loudly about it


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Re: [CTRL] Pierce On The Value Of Truth And Righteousness

2001-11-19 Thread Samantha L.

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 personally, if ANY kind of censorship is allowed here
  i am out of here talking loudly about it

   It's in the disclaimer at the bottom of every post.  Look at the last
sentence.  As far as I know, it's the only thing approaching a rule that we
have here on CTRL.If the floodgates open for neo-Nazi propaganda, I'M
outta here.  It's pretty depressing around here anyway.

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Re: [CTRL] Pierce On The Value Of Truth And Righteousness

2001-11-19 Thread Saba

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This is a conspiracy list and read into Pierce what you wish - one
thing, he might be a propagandist but he is no liar.

He may also be what you might call a radical because today those who
speak the truth are radical.who ever would dream a conspiracy to
demolish the Twin Towers - oh Osama did it...former CIA asset
Oh that one..

So Pierce speaks truth - he does not like jews for he believes they are
involved in a conspiracy - I do not like Zionists - for I KNOW they are
in a conspiracy.   If Pierce would distinguish between Christian
Zionists and Zionists - well maybe Israel would buy him a big jet plane
as they did Jerry Falwell - the Christian Zionist..

Now Larry Flynt has two big jet planes, God I and God II..and Larry
Flynt was not struck down by God, but Lansky's men for he attempted to
take over that which was not his  the drug trafficking on my turf here
in Ohio.

So Larry back in line - brain half gone, but still at least retains a
little sense of humor or he would not be lap dancing with Jerry Falwell.

Amen.

So Conspiracies are not for the weak at hear...takes two to Tango
and I do not like one sided material.

People I have worked with have been CIA connected and one MI6 - who was
a real witchastrologre to Reagon.

Anyone doesn't like my stuff don't read it - and I probably do not read
their stuff anyway.

So strange - first there was the word

then came the minutemen

I prefer the word to a big Israeli Uzi for you see we are fast becoming
like Israel and so strange - one would think they would have taken out
Israel

But 7 billion dollars is a lot of money and served twin purposes.

Sayanora

Saba

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Re: [CTRL] Pierce On The Value Of Truth And Righteousness

2001-11-19 Thread William Shannon
In a message dated 11/19/01 3:34:45 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


If the floodgates open for neo-Nazi propaganda

Has there even been a trickle of "Neo-Nazi propaganda"? I haven't seen it...funny how anyone who disagrees with certain things gets demonized as a "neo-nazi"! Funny how grown adults are so afraid of certain opinions or points of view.

William Pierce is a grumpy old man and much of what he says is laced with racial bias and intolerance, the piece I sent was by and large a brilliant speech and the 2 or 3 sentences that caused people such faux grief really shouldn't diminish the import of his main point. That it has in some minds is indeed depressing.

Bill.


Re: [CTRL] Pierce On The Value Of Truth And Righteousness

2001-11-19 Thread Samantha L.

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In a message dated 11/19/01 5:35:22 PM Central Standard Time,
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 William Pierce is a grumpy old man and much of what he says is laced with
  racial bias and intolerance, the piece I sent was by and large a brilliant
  speech and the 2 or 3 sentences that caused people such faux grief really
  shouldn't diminish the import of his main point. That it has in some minds
 is
  indeed depressing.

  Bill.

  And I thought it was quite well done until I came to the end.  And all the
brilliance seemed then to be leading up to what I consider very dangerous
ideology, and which I find very offensive - much in the same way Eustace
Mullins seemed brilliant until he tried to make the Biblical case that all
people with dark skin are inherently evil.  If you don't have a problem with
these kinds of diatribes, so be it.  To me it's a dangerous seduction.  If I
tell you 99 things that are true and impress you with my brilliance, chances
are you'll believe the one lie I'm really trying to sell, and then I own you
- most importantly - I own your heart and mind.  Samantha

It was all an act. The aim was not to safeguard anybody's freedom; it
was to destroy Germany because the Germans had gotten the Jews off their
backs and out of their country. We made war against Germany in order to
make Europe safe for the Jews and for no other reason. We are making war
against Afghanistan now in order to make the Middle East safe for the
Jews, and for no other reason. Everything else is an act to keep the
public fooled. And the public will be fooled: just as they never figured
out what World War Two was all about, they won't figure out what the war
against Afghanistan is all about. They may hear rumors about the
massacres being carried out now by the Northern Alliance, but the
television people won't spell it out for them, won't show them gory
pictures of the piles of corpses, and so the public won't get it.

So again, why should you care? Why not just go along with the act, the
way the big shots do?

That's a hard question to answer, in this sense: If you're like George
Bush or any of the other big shots who think they're being smart by
going along with the act and collaborating with the Jews against their
own people -- if you think that's the smart way to behave -- then you
won't understand my answer, no matter how carefully I explain it. If
you're a person who already is totally alienated -- if you're an amoral
person who already is completely disconnected from your race and its
traditions and values and you think of yourself solely as an individual
scrambling to get an advantage over other individuals by any means that
will work -- you won't understand my answer.

But if you still have some sense of being a part of something larger and
more permanent than yourself -- if you still have a sense of racial
identity, a sense of kinship with a larger family of fellow Europeans,
of fellow White men and women with whom you share traditions and values
and a way of looking at the world -- if you value the civilization your
ancestors built over the last 5,000 years, if you think of it as your
civilization -- then my answer is superfluous. You already know the
answer. You already understand why you must not collaborate with
creatures who secretly sneer at your values, who are contemptuous of the
traditions and history of your people, who have been working for
thousands of years to corrupt your civilization, and who are determined
to annihilate your race. You already understand why men who do
collaborate with these creatures must not be permitted to make laws and
set policies governing your people. You understand that instead of being
applauded and looked at with respect, they should be hanged as traitors
and as a warning to others who might be tempted also to betray our
people. You already understand that truthfulness and righteousness are
their own reward.

Thanks for being with me again today.

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Re: [CTRL] Pierce On The Value Of Truth And Righteousness

2001-11-19 Thread Samantha L.

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In a message dated 11/19/01 5:35:22 PM Central Standard Time,
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 the piece I sent was by and large a brilliant
  speech and the 2 or 3 sentences that caused people such faux grief really
  shouldn't diminish the import of his main point.

  His main point was made in the end.  If you don't see that, then you don't.
 Everything was leading up to his main point, which is the same point Hitler
was making, for chrissakes.

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Re: [CTRL] Pierce On The Value Of Truth And Righteousness

2001-11-19 Thread Samantha L.

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In a message dated 11/19/01 5:35:22 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Has there even been a trickle of Neo-Nazi propaganda? I haven't seen
  it...funny how anyone who disagrees with certain things gets demonized as a
  neo-nazi! Funny how grown adults are so afraid of certain opinions or
  points of view.

  And finally, if this isn't neo-Nazi propaganda, I don't know what is.


  William Pierce is a grumpy old man and much of what he says is laced with
  racial bias and intolerance, the piece I sent was by and large a brilliant
  speech and the 2 or 3 sentences that caused people such faux grief really
  shouldn't diminish the import of his main point. That it has in some minds
 is indeed depressing.

  Faux grief?  I'm glad for you that you have so much confidence in
yourself that you think you can identify the feelings other people are
feeling.  I felt no grief over this, let alone faux grief.  I felt nauseated
and shocked - shocked that anyone would endorse this piece, especially you.

Samantha

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Re: [CTRL] Pierce On The Value Of Truth And Righteousness

2001-11-19 Thread inri

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   Creatures?  Do you actually read the articles you send to the list?
This
 reads like Mein Kampf Part II.

.that's because william pierce is a bonafide hitler in the making. you
know he's the head of the american nazi partyor national allianceor
whatever he's calling it these days, right? i wouldn't take anything he says
with much more than a grain of salt...

inri
np:

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Re: [CTRL] Pierce On The Value Of Truth And Righteousness

2001-11-18 Thread Samantha L.

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In a message dated 11/17/01 10:03:35 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 It was all an act. The aim was not to safeguard anybody's freedom; it
  was to destroy Germany because the Germans had gotten the Jews off their
  backs and out of their country. We made war against Germany in order to
  make Europe safe for the Jews and for no other reason. We are making war
  against Afghanistan now in order to make the Middle East safe for the
  Jews, and for no other reason.

  The Germans had gotten the Jews off their backs and out of their country?
 I thought Holocaust denials were not welcome here, and that Nazis need not
apply!

  But if you still have some sense of being a part of something larger and
  more permanent than yourself -- if you still have a sense of racial
  identity, a sense of kinship with a larger family of fellow Europeans,
  of fellow White men and women with whom you share traditions and values
  and a way of looking at the world --

  Racial identity?  Fellow White men and women?  Hello?  Anybody home?

You already understand why you must not collaborate with
  creatures who secretly sneer at your values, who are contemptuous of the
  traditions and history of your people, who have been working for
  thousands of years to corrupt your civilization,

  Creatures?  Do you actually read the articles you send to the list?  This
reads like Mein Kampf Part II.

Samantha

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Re: [CTRL] Pierce On The Value Of Truth And Righteousness

2001-11-18 Thread William Shannon
In a message dated 11/18/01 5:18:53 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


"Creatures?" Do you actually read the articles you send to the list? This
reads like "Mein Kampf Part II."

William Pierce can be and often is an asshole but I thought he made a few very valid points in this one. I don't go for all that racial identity/white power crap but I think your being a little harsh in comparing this to Mein Kampf.

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[CTRL] Pierce On The Value Of Truth And Righteousness

2001-11-17 Thread William Shannon
American Dissident Voices Broadcast of November 17, 2001

The Value of Truth and Righteousness
By Dr. William Pierce

Hello!

Last Saturday George Bush addressed the United Nations General Assembly,
urging all of the member nations to join the United States in bringing
pressure to bear against all countries that sponsor terrorism or harbor
terrorists. He did it in his standard mock-serious way, barely
suppressing a smirk. Everyone applauded, including the representative of
a country that from its founding until the present day has sponsored
terrorism. That country, of course, is Israel.

The prime minister of Israel, Ariel Sharon, is a war criminal, a mass
murderer, with the blood of thousands of women and children on his
hands. He is being sought now for trial by the same Hague Tribunal that
succeeded in extraditing former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic
for trial on charges of crimes against humanity in Kosovo, the same
Hague Tribunal that already has tried and sentenced soldiers who raped
and murdered in Bosnia and in Rwanda.

In 1982, during Israel's invasion of Lebanon, Ariel Sharon was Israel's
defense minister. After the bloody terror-bombing of civilian
neighborhoods in Beirut that killed thousands of Lebanese and
Palestinian civilians -- terror bombing carried out by Jews flying
military aircraft supplied to Israel by the United States -- Sharon
arranged for the evacuation of Palestinian fighters from Lebanon.
Palestinian women, children, and old people were left behind in refugee
camps, with their safety guaranteed by the United States. On the night
of September 16, 1982, Sharon sent murder squads into two Palestinian
refugee camps, Sabra and Chatila, in West Beirut to kill the unarmed
Palestinian civilians in the camps. With Israeli tanks and troops
surrounding the camps to prevent any of the Palestinians from escaping,
Sharon's murder squads shot, knifed, and bludgeoned Palestinian
civilians all that night and the next day and the following night, while
the Israelis around the camps listened gleefully to the shots and
screams coming from inside. Then Sharon sent in bulldozers to scoop out
mass burial pits and cover up the corpses of more than 2,000 Palestinian
women and children.

Many Palestinians remained unburied, however, and Red Cross workers
found whole families in their homes with their throats cut and other
families who had been lined up and machine-gunned, from small children
to elderly grandparents. One infant had been stomped to death by a man
wearing spiked boots.

This was Ariel Sharon's work, but only a part of his work. He is a man
who believes the teaching of the Talmud that only Jews are human beings,
and that all who are not Jews were put on this earth only to serve the
Jews, and that anyone who opposes the Jews deserves to be killed, and he
has acted in accord with this belief all his life. There are a dozen
major atrocities for which he could be tried by the Hague Tribunal, but
the one with which he is charged now is the mass murder he implemented,
as Israel's defense minister, in West Beirut in September 1982. And the
U.S. government, which clamored for Slobodan Milosevic to be turned over
to the Hague Tribunal for trial, pretends that it knows nothing about
Sharon's genocidal crimes against humanity.

In the 1950s Israel's Mossad, the equivalent of the CIA in the United
States, sent hundreds of letter bombs to German scientists working in
Egypt and Syria, killing a number of them.

In 1967, during Israel's war against Egypt, the Israeli army carried out
a number of mass executions of Egyptian prisoners of war in the Sinai,
forcing them to dig ditches, then lining them up and shooting them.
Dozens of eyewitnesses to these mass executions have reported what they
saw, but the world's politicians and media bosses pretend not to know.
Also in 1967 Israel attacked the U.S. Navy ship, the U.S.S. Liberty,
attempting to sink it and kill its crew and then blame the sinking on
the Egyptians.

Israeli agents have carried out assassinations and other terrorist
operations around the world. One of the most colorful of these
operations -- and one of the few that received major media coverage --
was the attempt to murder a prominent Muslim cleric in Jordan in 1997.
Two Israeli agents sprayed poison in the ear of Khaled Meshal as they
walked past him on a sidewalk in Amman. Fortunately, Meshal's bodyguards
were able to catch the two Jews as they ran away, and so the
assassination attempt was publicized.

Israel has stolen nuclear materials and nuclear weapons technology from
the United States to build an illegal nuclear arsenal. Israel also is
known to have developed an arsenal of biological and chemical weapons of
mass destruction.

None of these Israeli activities is secret. Those I've mentioned are
just a few of the ones that were found out and publicized. Not
publicized very much, of course. In fact, they all were dropped from the
news pretty quickly. Still, everyone attending