Re: [CTRL] Poli. Sci. 101

2000-08-10 Thread J Taylor

The other side of a republic is that the Law is sovereign and the people are
under the law. In traditional america this had strong christian
connotations(and euro/ jeffersonian-it  is certain that all will be free,
but being free that they can not live together ) . Everything not explicitly
prohibited was permitted. Weapons were freely availlable.
When I saw a rerun of the alamo they had John wayne extolling the virtues of
the the republic, democracy.
Democracy has the 'people' as sovereign- this was initially restricted to
responsible(property owning) citizens.
Introduced principally by fundamentalists to limit the power of the
aristocrats.
Now we have NWO democracy, based on a religion of human rights, equality of
outcome, and america being a propositional state, with no loyalty to its
peoples, but only on loyalty to its human rights religion. The power has
moved to the people who control the mass media(ie who owns CBS, ABC, NBS,
CNN ,FOX) and who can mobilise its lobby groups---the law is now a means of
social engineering. and weapons restricted.

John


PS In South Africa White males can vote but have no power and are excluded
from most of the centres of power (except for token whites) except business,
and the government has introduced legislation so that they are powerless to
associate freely even there.




Okay, people, let's go back to freshman political science class and review
some definitions.

The United States is a democratic republic.  The term "republic" means ONLY
a country which is not a monarchy.  The term "democracy" means ONLY
government by the people--the word does not prescribe how that government is
organized.  Specifically, the government of the United States is described
as "representative democracy," which means ONLY that the citizens of the
country, as individuals or in combination, choose representatives to run the
country for them.  The government of the United States is also a
"constitutional republic," which means that the role filled in a monarchy by
the king or queen is instead filled by the codified body of law which
controls the organization and functioning of the government.

These terms have changed in their meanings since the United States was
founded.  Many of the Founders, especially Hamilton and the Federalists,
were true elitists, who did not trust the "mobile faction" or "mob"--what
Marxists call the *Lumpenproletariat*.  Modern American political theory is
far closer to the views of Thomas Jefferson and even more Andrew Jackson
than to those of Washington, Adams, and Hamilton.  If you limit your
understanding of the original Constitutional debate to *The Federalist
Papers*, you're only getting one part of the story--an important and
eloquent part, but only a part.  The argument that this country is a
republic, "not a democracy," is a disingenuous statement which belies a
desire to destroy the freedom of all those who are not white, Christian, and
male.

The truly revolutionary thing about the Constitution is that it
institutionalizes revolution, making it possible to completely change the
system of government without *overthrowing* that government.  The United
States has quite regularly changed its political philosophy, roughly every
generation or every other generation.  The last such change was the
so-called "Reagan Revolution" (more correctly the "Reagan-Bush reaction") of
the 1980's; the country appears poised for another paradigm shift today.
Unfortunately, the nature of a paradigm shift is that it can never be fully
recognized until nearly complete, which means that we won't know the nature
of the new system until it has come about.  I suspect that it will be
populist, but the choice seems to be between Left and Right populism, with
the Left beginning to coalesce around the Greens and the Right edging toward
a crypto-fascist nationalism (if that's not a tautology) focused on
Buchanan.

Robert F. Tatman
Information Technology Consultant
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[CTRL] Poli. Sci. 101

2000-08-09 Thread Robert F. Tatman

Okay, people, let's go back to freshman political science class and review
some definitions.

The United States is a democratic republic.  The term "republic" means ONLY
a country which is not a monarchy.  The term "democracy" means ONLY
government by the people--the word does not prescribe how that government is
organized.  Specifically, the government of the United States is described
as "representative democracy," which means ONLY that the citizens of the
country, as individuals or in combination, choose representatives to run the
country for them.  The government of the United States is also a
"constitutional republic," which means that the role filled in a monarchy by
the king or queen is instead filled by the codified body of law which
controls the organization and functioning of the government.

These terms have changed in their meanings since the United States was
founded.  Many of the Founders, especially Hamilton and the Federalists,
were true elitists, who did not trust the "mobile faction" or "mob"--what
Marxists call the *Lumpenproletariat*.  Modern American political theory is
far closer to the views of Thomas Jefferson and even more Andrew Jackson
than to those of Washington, Adams, and Hamilton.  If you limit your
understanding of the original Constitutional debate to *The Federalist
Papers*, you're only getting one part of the story--an important and
eloquent part, but only a part.  The argument that this country is a
republic, "not a democracy," is a disingenuous statement which belies a
desire to destroy the freedom of all those who are not white, Christian, and
male.

The truly revolutionary thing about the Constitution is that it
institutionalizes revolution, making it possible to completely change the
system of government without *overthrowing* that government.  The United
States has quite regularly changed its political philosophy, roughly every
generation or every other generation.  The last such change was the
so-called "Reagan Revolution" (more correctly the "Reagan-Bush reaction") of
the 1980's; the country appears poised for another paradigm shift today.
Unfortunately, the nature of a paradigm shift is that it can never be fully
recognized until nearly complete, which means that we won't know the nature
of the new system until it has come about.  I suspect that it will be
populist, but the choice seems to be between Left and Right populism, with
the Left beginning to coalesce around the Greens and the Right edging toward
a crypto-fascist nationalism (if that's not a tautology) focused on
Buchanan.

Robert F. Tatman
Information Technology Consultant
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jenkintown, PA, USA
*Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.*

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