Re: [CTRL] Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74

2001-06-17 Thread Bill Howard

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In a message dated 6/16/01 6:40:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 So I am attacking you because I am a druggie, not quite. 

I didn't say you are a druggie.

And that you throw out unfounded
untruths and change the subject all the time.

Whats unfounded? I'm not changing the subject.

Drugs have done good and bad. And there are many of them.

Yes, there are many drugs and there are many more druggies who are wasting
their lives doing drugs when they could be inventing something that would
benefit mankind or discovering the answer to the question, why?

Go down to skid row and see the end result of drugs and alcohol (alcohol is a
drug), then you can tell what a wonderful thing drugs are.

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Re: [CTRL] Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74

2001-06-17 Thread Kris Millegan

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Whats unfounded? I'm not changing the subject

 The subject of the original post was about how parts of our government are
used to suppress information - to-wit the fact that marijuan shrinks tumors.
It has been shown in several scientific studies, but to achieve a
unconstitutional political advantage, there are forces that lie and collude
against our republic and health.

Kinda like the ends justifies the means.

Capice?

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Re: [CTRL] Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74

2001-06-17 Thread Bill Howard

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 I am a druggie. I smoke marijuana and haven't ever made much secret about
it for over 30 years. And have seen this nation become more and more in the
thrall of pharma-drugs and the drug of TV. Yes, TV meets the criteria of  the
definition of a drug, quite an insidious one. Not saying TV is good or bad.
It is what people do with it. Check-out some hypnosis books and you'll see
that that 60 cycle flicker sets-up a trance-like state.

Ndow that you have admitted that you are a druggie, you are on your way to
recovery. That is the first and very important step to recovery.
Surprisingly, we agree that TV is not all it could be. I find it to be a
waste of time, most of the time. In my house it is in its off mode most of
the day.

Your paranoia about druggies gets in the way for you to gather any
understanding.

I'm not paranoid about druggies, I just see the reality of what drug abuse
can and most cases, leads to. I had a client once, who was still working at
his profession, who had put a quarter of million dollars (an inheritance) up
his nose. Very sad. He could have done positive things with that money.

I am not advocating drug abuse. I am anti-prohibition.  Coerced prohibitions
do not work and the current prohibition is in place by lies, conspiracy and
corruption.  The prohibition was put in place by secret societies so that
they can drug this country in pursuit of the deviant plans.

Secret societies? and you call me paranoid?

Your callous and ignorant remarks just lead to more division and
misunderstandings.

I protest the term ignorant!

Marijuana is not evil, nor even bad. Matter of fact it is quite benefiical.
As to whether an adult person wishes to ingest one of God's natural plants is
up to them. There are already enough laws on the books to protect or
retribute society for a person's actions.

Guns also are not evil, nor even bad and they also can be quite beneficial.
Even life saving.

And I wouldn't doubt that marijuana and some other illegal drugs have been
directly responsible for quite a few inventions. - Like the PC you are now
using for one. Gee them long-haired guys at Apple and Micro-soft. Would you
consider Bill Gates succesful? And musicians, you do not find them creative?

Actually, I was thinking about the pet rock and the hula hoop. And a true
musician doesn't need drugs to make beautiful music. It comes naturally to
him/her.

Granted, I ain't much of a typist and am involved in too many things and
under-funded to produce all that I could do, but I am doing what I can to
help us citizens take back our republic.

Then sober up and get in the trenches with the rest of us. Drugged up
troopers are just so much cannon fodder. There is much work to be done.

And as for long-hair, seems to me when I was a kid, Christ was always shown
with long hair, there were none of the revisionist paintings I see today. Why
because some folks just couldn't deal with reality and had to create a false
one for their sensabilities.  Also it seems to me that many creators of this
very republic wore their hair long and many used substances that are made
illegal today.

In most cases they wore wigs and some even had wooden teeth. There is a
school of history that says that some of them farmed weed and even smoked it.
That however, doesn't make it legal today. Today, it is an illegal drug.

Put that in your pipe and  . . . .

Don't own a pipe.
 

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Re: [CTRL] Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74

2001-06-16 Thread Bill Howard

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In a message dated 6/15/01 8:38:49 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  So do just throw you hate around for fun . . 

Do I detect New Speak? Truth now becomes hate?

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Re: [CTRL] Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74

2001-06-16 Thread Kris Millegan

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In a message dated 6/16/01 5:50:06 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


In a message dated 6/15/01 8:38:49 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  So do just throw you hate around for fun . . 

Do I detect New Speak? Truth now becomes hate?


No, I was talking about your comments about long-hair druggies and you know
that.

Change the subject . . . show you spots.

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Re: [CTRL] Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74

2001-06-16 Thread Bill Howard

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In a message dated 6/16/01 7:13:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Change the subject . . . show you spots. 

No, I was still talking about long haired, brain fried druggies. There was
nothing hateful about it, it was and still is the truth. People who do drugs
just don't want to have to face up to the fact that one day they will wake up
and realize that they have wasted their alloted time in a drug daze. And
thats the truth!

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Re: [CTRL] Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74

2001-06-16 Thread Kris Millegan

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In a message dated 6/16/01 11:24:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

No, I was still talking about long haired, brain fried druggies. There
was
nothing hateful about it, it was and still is the truth. People who do
drugs
just don't want to have to face up to the fact that one day they will wake
up
and realize that they have wasted their alloted time in a drug daze. And
thats the truth!

Says who. And you have wasted your time mouthing untruths.

Om
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Re: [CTRL] Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74

2001-06-16 Thread Bill Howard

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 Says who. And you have wasted your time mouthing untruths. 

Just what I expected. Can't deal with the truth.

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Re: [CTRL] Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74

2001-06-16 Thread Kris Millegan

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 Says who. And you have wasted your time mouthing untruths. 

Just what I expected. Can't deal with the truth.

Again, says who? And what truth?

You keep on changing the subject and try to focus on something else rather
than your spiteful language and obvious problem with people you may live
different than you.

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Re: [CTRL] Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74

2001-06-16 Thread Bill Howard

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 Again, says who? And what truth? 

I say and it is true that druggies are people who don't like themselves and
other people. When confronted with the truth, they attack the truth and the
person who is delievering it. Have a nice weekend.

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Re: [CTRL] Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74

2001-06-16 Thread Kris Millegan

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In a message dated 6/16/01 6:26:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I say and it is true that druggies are people who don't like themselves
and
other people. When confronted with the truth, they attack the truth and
the
person who is delievering it. Have a nice weekend.

So I am attacking you because I am a druggie, not quite. I am pointing out
that you throw out spite and hate at people. And that you throw out unfounded
untruths and change the subject all the time. Very transparent and telling.
Drugs have done good and bad. And there are many of them.

So you a saint and have a direct line on the truth?

Om
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 Ok, and  druggies are peple that use natura subsatnces. the pharma pumps
tons of craqp on folks

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[CTRL] Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74

2001-06-15 Thread Steve Wingate

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(But this threatens G Dubya family's drug company empire?!! Well no
wonder, I'll bet the conservatives do not like this one bit. Damn, a natural
drug that treats cancer and cannot be patented! No profits for big business.
And look at what hemp will do to the price of timber, and ***OIL***. Egad!)

Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74

Raymond Cushing, AlterNet
May 31, 2000
---

The term medical marijuana took on dramatic new meaning in February,
2000 when researchers in Madrid announced they had destroyed incurable
brain tumors in rats by injecting them with THC, the active ingredient in
cannabis.

The Madrid study marks only the second time that THC has been
administered to tumor-bearing animals; the first was a Virginia
investigation 26 years ago. In both studies, the THC shrank or destroyed
tumors in a majority of the test subjects.

Most Americans don't know anything about the Madrid discovery. Virtually
no major U.S. newspapers carried the story, which ran only once on the AP
and UPI news wires, on Feb. 29, 2000.

The ominous part is that this isn't the first time scientists have discovered
that THC shrinks tumors. In 1974 researchers at the Medical College of
Virginia, who had been funded by the National Institute of Health to find
evidence that marijuana damages the immune system, found instead that
THC slowed the growth of three kinds of cancer in mice -- lung and breast
cancer, and a virus-induced leukemia.

The DEA quickly shut down the Virginia study and all further
cannabis/tumor research, according to Jack Herer, who reports on the
events in his book, The Emperor Wears No Clothes. In 1976 President
Gerald Ford put an end to all public cannabis research and granted
exclusive research rights to major pharmaceutical companies, who set out -
- unsuccessfully -- to develop synthetic forms of THC that would deliver all
the medical benefits without the high.

The Madrid researchers reported in the March issue of Nature Medicine
that they injected the brains of 45 rat with cancer cells, producing tumors
whose presence they confirmed through magnetic resonance imaging
(MRI). On the 12th day they injected 15 of the rats with THC and 15 with
Win-55,212-2 a synthetic compound similar to THC. All the rats left
untreated uniformly died 12-18 days after glioma (brain cancer) cell
inoculation ... Cannabinoid (THC)-treated rats survived significantly longer
than control rats. THC administration was ineffective in three rats, which
died by days 16-18. Nine of the THC-treated rats surpassed the time of
death of untreated rats, and survived up to 19-35 days. Moreover, the tumor
was completely eradicated in three of the treated rats. The rats treated
with Win-55,212-2 showed similar results.

The Spanish researchers, led by Dr. Manuel Guzman of Complutense
University, also irrigated healthy rats' brains with large doses of THC for
seven days, to test for harmful biochemical or neurological effects. They
found none.

Careful MRI analysis of all those tumor-free rats showed no sign of
damage related to necrosis, edema, infection or trauma ... We also
examined other potential side effects of cannabinoid administration. In both
tumor-free and tumor-bearing rats, cannabinoid administration induced no
substantial change in behavioral parameters such as motor coordination or
physical activity. Food and water intake as well as body weight gain were
unaffected during and after cannabinoid delivery. Likewise, the general
hematological profiles of cannabinoid-treated rats were normal. Thus,
neither biochemical parameters nor markers of tissue damage changed
substantially during the 7-day delivery period or for at least 2 months after
cannabinoid treatment ended.

Guzman's investigation is the only time since the 1974 Virginia study that
THC has been administered to live tumor-bearing animals. (The Spanish
researchers cite a 1998 study in which cannabinoids inhibited breast
cancer cell proliferation, but that was a petri dish experiment that didn't
involve live subjects.)

In an email interview for this story, the Madrid researcher said he had heard
of the Virginia study, but had never been able to locate literature on it.
Hence, the Nature Medicine article characterizes the new study as the first
on tumor-laden animals and doesn't cite the 1974 Virginia investigation.

I am aware of the existence of that research. In fact I have attempted many
times to obtain the journal article on the original investigation by these
people, but it has proven impossible. Guzman said.

In 1983 the Reagan/Bush Administration tried to persuade American
universities and researchers to destroy all 1966-76 cannabis research
work, including compendiums in libraries, reports Jack Herer, who states,
We know that large amounts of information have since disappeared.

Guzman provided the title of the work -- Antineoplastic activity of
cannabinoids, an article in a 

Re: [CTRL] Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74

2001-06-15 Thread Bill Howard

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In a message dated 6/15/01 12:24:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Pot Shrinks Tumors 

And does wonders for short term memory.

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Re: [CTRL] Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74

2001-06-15 Thread kl

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  Pot Shrinks Tumors 

 And does wonders for short term memory.



So.I guess you would choose to keep your brain tumor rather than
have it cured by pot with a little stm impairment.
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Re: [CTRL] Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74

2001-06-15 Thread Bill Howard

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In a message dated 6/15/01 9:27:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 So.I guess you would choose to keep your brain tumor rather than
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No, I choose to use conventional medical treatment for tumors, not some half
baked ideas. Besides, even if it did  shrink tumors I would get the munchies
and become fat and unhealthy.

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Re: [CTRL] Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74

2001-06-15 Thread kl

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On 15 Jun 2001, at 13:49, Bill Howard wrote:

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  So.I guess you would choose to keep your brain tumor rather than
 have it cured by pot with a little stm impairment. 

 No, I choose to use conventional medical treatment for tumors, not some
 half baked ideas.

How does a treatment become conventional medical treatment?  It
frequently starts with research on mice or rats.  When this treatment
showed promise on mice, the good ole US of A government pulled the
plug on the research.  The only half baked idea I see is that scientists
should have to accept government dictates on what they study.
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Re: [CTRL] Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74

2001-06-15 Thread Bill Howard

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In a message dated 6/15/01 11:10:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 How does a treatment become conventional medical treatment?  It

frequently starts with research on mice or rats. 

Or maybe long haired, brain fried dopers? Its too risky to use them for organ
donors or blood donors. Way too many health problems.

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Re: [CTRL] Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74

2001-06-15 Thread Steve Wingate

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On 15 Jun 01, at 15:48, Bill Howard wrote:

 Or maybe long haired, brain fried dopers? Its too risky to use them for organ
 donors or blood donors. Way too many health problems.

This is a good example of someone who cannot see through his ideology.
This kind of thinking is an order of magnitude more destructive than *any*
drug!

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Re: [CTRL] Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74

2001-06-15 Thread Bill Howard

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In a message dated 6/15/01 1:18:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 This kind of thinking is an order of magnitude more destructive than *any*
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No, Steve. Its all about common sense.

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Re: [CTRL] Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74

2001-06-15 Thread Kris Millegan

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In a message dated 6/15/01 12:49:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Or maybe long haired, brain fried dopers? Its too risky to use them for
organ
donors or blood donors. Way too many health problems.

 So do just throw you hate around for fun . .

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