[CTRL] Ralph Underwager Defends Child Rape/Verbatim Comments
-Caveat Lector- Hmmm...how WERE the "boylove" forums?? Stimulating??? WOW! Risking being affiliated with that lot in order to "research"...hmmm...Now THAT's either dedication OR obsession... Go figure... Bill. Well, Bill, I'll help you figure it out. Since you come to only two conclusions why one might participate in "boylove" forums, let me try to enlighten you on a third reason why: One of the snobbish appeals of being "to the left" is their ever so high-and-mighty politikal korrektness, that is, being "wise in their own eyes", they always offer up nice-sounding words like "tolerance", and whatever it takes to get there, i.e. even the "rightness" of skools being turned into propaganda mills by the militant gays. However, there are those who are neither "to the left" nor "to the right". One way to find out the Truth of a thing is to suspend all judgment and...go and talk with the "other". Talk with them for a GOOD LONG WHILE, see where their head's at. Well, I did, and believe me, my worse fears were konfirmed. I got a real good glimpse of the Whole Picture. So baiting with words like was it "stimulating" really is quite crass with a tendency to mislead, and can, often as not, show a person where *that person's head is at*. And why say "risking being affiliated with"? Was I really "being affiliated with"? Don't try to mislead or twist. I look for Truth everywhere, in the highways and byways and in the grimey dark back alleys too. Don't EVEN try to label me. I'll let you all *label* yourselves...as "to the left", or whatever else you'd care to label yourselves with and DO be my guest. The Spirit goeth where it listeth. BTW, Kris? I'll answer your post a bit later, where you mention about "screeds", and "massa" and so on. They were good questions. Justine Nemo Me Impune Lacessit __ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- From: "William Shannon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hmmm...how WERE the "boylove" forums?? Stimulating??? WOW! Risking being affiliated with that lot in order to "research"...hmmm...Now THAT's either dedication OR obsession... Yes, Justin DOES seem to spend an inordinate amount of time at those sites. He better watch out, a lot of those sites are set up as deliberate sting operations... June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Ralph Underwager Defends Child Rape/Verbatim Comments
-Caveat Lector- He better watch out, a lot of those sites are set up as deliberate sting operations... June Gee, now there's something I didn't know! LOL How terribly, terribly insightful of you, Ms. June! How good it was to know at the time that the sites were, in fact, monitored...and by the press, too. We even shook 'em up enough on a couple of occasions to make 'em close down for awhile, while they "thought things out". S'matter of fact...one of their site domains seems to be up for sale these days. :P Justine Nemo Me Impune Lacessit __ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Ralph Underwager Defends Child Rape/Verbatim Comments
-Caveat Lector- .. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed] Note: We store 100's of related "conspiracy posts" at: http://www.msen.com/~lloyd/oldprojects/recentmail.html From: "Alex Constantine" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Lloyd" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "Lynn" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Kris" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Ralph Underwager Defends Child Rape/Verbatim Comments Date: Monday, September 11, 2000 6:34 PM Ralph Underwager Defends Child Rape/Verbatim Comments "Paedophiles can boldly and courageously affirm what they choose. They can say that what they want is to find the best way to love. . . . Paedophiles can make the assertion that the pursuit of intimacy and love is what they choose. With boldness they can say, "I believe this is in fact part of God's will. RALPH UNDERWAGER in this interview with Paidika, a European pro-pedophile publication. Ralph Underwager responds to critics who have cited the Paidika Interview: "Beginning with two articles (Lawrence, 1993a, 1993b) in an incest survivors network newsletter, there have been subsequent articles around the world claiming that in the interview given to Paidika we say that adult-child sexual contacts are good, that they are good for children, that pedophilia is God's will, that pedophilia should be decriminalized, and that we approve of pedophilia People have written and called us from around the world to threaten, inquire, dump venom and anger on us, and label us the most reprehensible of villains. Articles that we know of have been in several survivors' network newsletters, in the Family Violence and Sexual Assault Bulletin, and in newspapers and magazines including the London Sunday Times, Dublin Irish Times, Toronto Now Magazine, Boston Globe, Minneapolis Star-Tribune, and Christians and Society Today. Every trial that we appear in now includes an attempt at impeachment by the adversary attorney using the Paidika interview and implying to the jury or judge that we approve of child molestation and guilt by association by linking us with those vile, reprehensible pedophiles. How could this happen?" HOW IT HAPPENED: The reader is encouraged to judge for himself, not to listen to the equivocations of child abuse "skeptics," who attempt to program public opinion with their oily revisionist tactics and flagrant lies intended to discredit child victims of rape. The original interview is attached in its entirety. AC THE PAIDIKAINTERVIEW PAIDIKA INTERVIEW: HOLLIDA WAKEFIELD AND RALPH UNDERWAGER Part I Paedophiles can boldly and courageously affirm what they choose. They can say that what they want is to find the best way to love. . . . Paedophiles can make the assertion that the pursuit of intimacy and love is what they choose. With boldness they can say, "I believe this is in fact part of God's will. --Dr. Ralph Underwager in this interview with Paidika, a European pro-pedophile publication. Dr. Ralph Underwager earned his masters of Divinity from Concordia Seminary, St. Louis, Missouri, and his Ph.D. from the University of Minnesota, and has been, since 1974, Director of the Institute for Psychological Therapies in Northfield, Minnesota. Besides being a staff psychologist in a clinic, Dr. Underwager has also been a pastor at Lutheran churches in Iowa and Minnesota. He is a member of the National Council for Children's Rights, the American Psychological Association, the Lutheran Academy for Scholarship, and the Society for the Scientific Study of Sex, among others. Hollida Wakefield received her M.A., from the University of Maryland, where she also completed the course work for her Ph.D. She has worked as an elementary school teacher, a college psychology instructor, and since 1976 as a staff psychologist at the Institute of Psychological Therapies. Her memberships include the National Council for Children's Rights, the International Society for the Prevention of Child Abuse and Neglect, and the American College of Forensic Psychology. She and Dr. Underwager are married. Ms. Wakefield and Dr. Underwager are the publishers of the journal, "Issues in Child Abuse Accusations." They co-edited the volumes: "Accusations of Child Sexual Abuse" and "The Real World of Child Interrogations." They have written numerous articles on the interrogation of children, the role of the psychologist in assessing child abuse cases, the evaluation of child witnesses, and the manipulation of the child abuse system. They regularly appear as expert witnesses and give training sessions to jurists, psychologists, and laymen. This interview was conducted in
[CTRL] Ralph Underwager Defends Child Rape/Verbatim Comments
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Ralph Underwager Defends Child Rape/Verbatim Comments
"Paedophiles can boldly and courageously affirm what they choose. They
can say that what they want is to find the best way to love. . . .
Paedophiles can make the assertion that the pursuit of intimacy and love is
what they choose. With boldness they can say, "I believe this is in fact
part of God's will. RALPH UNDERWAGER in this interview with Paidika, a
European pro-pedophile publication.
Very interesting transcript.
When I was on some of the web-based "boylove" forums checking out where they
were coming from and all, what Underwager and his wife Hollida Wakefield
have said pretty much sums up the cult of homosexual pedophila and what the
"boylovers" had to say. What's interesting is that the general public has
absolutely no idea how deep the ramifications of the homosexual agenda
really do in fact go.
Very glad you posted it. Here are some links to follow to see for yourself.
It's an entire mind set involved with hopes of going mainstream:
http://people.a2000.nl/kabouter/IB/story/i-boylover.html
"I, boylover: links to true stories by boylovers"
http://www.greenbelt.com/news/hepsites.htm
"Heather Elizabeth Peterson" for links to pro-pedophila ("minor-attracted
adult") sites:
Philia Network
-Daring Dialogue. Lists forums where people may engage in dialogue with
adults who are attracted to minors.
-Philia. Interfaith news for adults who are attracted to minors.
-Unconditional Love. Interfaith resources for adults who are attracted to
minors.
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Re: [CTRL] Ralph Underwager Defends Child Rape/Verbatim Comments
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/27/00 10:26:39 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I was on some of the web-based "boylove" forums checking out where they were coming from and all, what Underwager and his wife Hollida Wakefield have said pretty much sums up the cult of homosexual pedophila and what the "boylovers" had to say. What's interesting is that the general public has absolutely no idea how deep the ramifications of the homosexual agenda really do in fact go. Hmmm...how WERE the "boylove" forums?? Stimulating??? WOW! Risking being affiliated with that lot in order to "research"...hmmm...Now THAT's either dedication OR obsession... Go figure... Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
