Re: [CTRL] Republican Hate Rhetoric Turns Deadly
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: There is primarily ONE reason for the burden of violence we experience... When a crime is committed, it is not followed SWIFTLY by CERTAIN (and appropriate) punishment. Over 95% of FELONIES in the U.S. are "unsolved," whereas in Japan, over 95% of felonies result in jail time. Hawk yea, when we use rhetoric instead of citing actual figures, we get into some pretty sticky areas. if we follow your rhetoric with the fact that there are more innocent people in jail than there are guilty ones running free; where does that get us? your grandiousity in the face of your overt and infamously obvious ignorance about so many things is truely inspiring. you make me feel smart and i know that i do not know anything, but you; you know sooo much. woow. evilly grinnin' chris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- #8 for the 12th -- : Subject: Re: [CTRL] Republican Hate Rhetoric Turns Deadly : Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 5:43 PM : : According to the World Almanac Book of Facts for 1998, p. 378, review of : the 1990 census, it's more like 6.66 / 1 (W = 199.7 million; B = 30.0 : million)(right about in the middle of what the article and you each : maintain for your respective ratios). This is not my issue. As far as I'm : concerned, we're all "Americans" and I so indicate whenever I'm queried : about my background: i.e., I select "other" then enter "American". I'm : not in that part of the census; to clarify, I'm in probably in "Other" (the : default miscellaneous catchall category), numbering almost 9.9 million. : Yet, does one population determine another (by 'population', I mean it : statistically, indicating number of structures or humans or beans or blades : of grass)? Can we extrapolate structures from census data? I won't : automatically assume so given I'm not an expert in that area (but it would : be interesting to research). : : My issue is selectively analysing data in order to arrive at a conclusion : the data really doesn't support. This lends to skewing the issue : (whatever) using skewed data. Further, a disproportionate amount of $$$, : time, effort, whathaveyou, gets allocated to a programme at the expense of : other (similar) programmes equally deserving. The problem arises when : someone decides what policy/politics will inflate headlines, performance : reports, local business revenues, polls, whathaveyou. I would much more : favour a traveling building group that combines with local volunteers and : as Americans, build what they need to build -- kinda like "Habitat for : Humanity" (as I understand it). So, when people learn that they aren't : going to win any contests by having sufficiently raised the ire of one : group or another, the problems just may stop. Any when they catch the : perpetrators, turn 'em over to the law -- which should be augmented by : citizens (a la "Neighbourhood Watch", e.g., program). When citizens in, : of, for communities exhibit a communal sense of responsibility for EACH : OTHER, I would guess all kinds of crime would drop -- without yielding said : responsibility to uniformed paramilitary types at $25 - ? thousand a year : per pop. : : If there is any governmental support for ANY reason, it should be equitably : distributed for the affected. What I get out of the articles is a desire : to brand a certain crime as being something other (maybe the same but : narrowly focused and therefore the only thing in focus) than it really was : -- generally; there may be some specific cases where the branding is : accurate. Am I more likely to assume I was robbed because I am *moneyed* : or because I happened to be in my wrong place at the robber's right time? : Was I a *target* because of my status or because of some plain old random : circumstance (i.e., I was available)? Of course, professional crooks have : always looked for the easiest mark to hit to minimise the hassle and : maximise the return. Do I require more protection than someone else : because I look, act, whatever, like a *target*? Again, when society : becomes equally everyone's business, then I shouldn't have to worry. Take : out the weeds and leave the flowers to do their thing, the roses and the : petunias and the bulbs and the whatevers getting what they each need with : respect to their equal, noncompetitive, desirability. : : : AER : : The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking : new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust : + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + : Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed : + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + : In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material : is distributed without charge or profit to those who have : expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information : for non-profit research and educational purposes only. : : -- : : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : Subject: Re: [CTRL] Republican Hate Rhetoric Turns Deadly : : Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 4:15 PM : : : : -Caveat Lector- : : : : In a message dated 1/12/1999 5:03:45 PM, you wrote: : : : : -Caveat Lector- : : : : The report allegedly says, "'We recognize ... that white churches are : burning : : nearly five times as often as black churches.'" : : : : But white people out number Black people *8 to 1*. : : : : More Black churches are being burned, proportionately. : : : : : : : : Best, : : : : : : HA : DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its m
Re: [CTRL] Republican Hate Rhetoric Turns Deadly
-Caveat Lector- Gerald Harp forwarded: Tom J. Wright A Semi-Weekly Column of Political Commentary January 1-January 15, 1999 Republican Hate Rhetoric Turns Deadly: Somebody Stop Them Before They Kill Again Although overshadowed lately by MonicaGate, the brutal beating and killing of gay University of Wyoming student Matthew Shepard, shocked the nation and disgusted people around the world. The barbarity of the murderers, who tied Matthew Shepard to a fence and beat him to death with the butts of their guns, was stunning. This vicious murder was motivated in large part, perhaps entirely, by the radical homophobia of the two men who killed him. Matthew Shepard lost his life simply because he was gay. MJ: While the conclusion may or may NOT be true [cause], what exactly makes the muder of an individual within a 'protected' group WORSE than the murder of some other individual? Murder is murder ... execute the perpetrators or otherwise [non-taxpayer] fund their permanent incarceration. Would any robbery be a 'hate crime' since the perpetrator most certainly 'hates' 'rich people'. Regard$, --MJ I quote others only in order the better to express myself. -- Michel De Montaigne DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Republican Hate Rhetoric Turns Deadly
ncrease was the result of two factors: better reporting of a crime that like all crimes is normally underreported, and copycat fires by arsonists who (as some openly stated) got the idea from media publicity. Though we were warned of a white supremacist conspiracy, only two church fires (of over 70 which USA Today investigated), have been identified with any racist group. Both were lit by the same two Klansmen. A third burning clearly had racial motivations. That's it. Meanwhile, during the same period far more southern white churches than black churches were burned. Further, USA Today's latest tally shows that of all the arsonists arrested in connection with black church burnings, a third have been blacks. So how did this harmful hysteria get started? My piece in the July 8 Wall Street Journal focused on the originating group, the Center for Democratic Renewal (CDR), whose political leftism was carefully omitted in the hundreds of media stories which uncritically repeated its claims. The group's stated purpose is to work "with progressive activists and organizations to build a movement to counter right-wing rhetoric and public policy initiatives." CDR's June report alleged to show an epidemic of 90 black church arsons in which all the perpetrators caught were white. But when I called fire officials in four southern states I found that the CDR had systematically labeled mere vandalisms as fires, had ignored fires set by blacks and those that occurred in the early part of the decade, and labeled fires as arsons that were not--all in an apparent effort to make black church torchings appear to be an escalating phenomenon. Why? The bottom line appears to be the bottom line: The church-burning epidemic was essentially a fund-raising effort for the National Council of Churches (NCC) and its causes. The NCC is an association of Protestant churches, essentially a left-wing version of the Christian Coalition. "A little more than a year ago, the [NCC] was struggling to raise money to fund ambitious programs designed to combat racism," an August 9, 1996 front-page Wall Street Journal article noted. "Even after soliciting funds among normally sympathetic charitable foundations, it found virtually no donors." The idea of exploiting burned churches was that of Mac Charles Jones, the "associate for racial justice" of the NCC, and a former president and current board member of the CDR. It was Jones's plan to have the CDR prepare the bogus church-burning report. He then fanned the flames of fear and racial division with statements eagerly broadcast by the media decrying "domestic terrorism" by "a well-organized white-supremacist movement." Suddenly the NCC's coffers were overflowing. It had established a "Burned Churches Fund" which it announced in major newspapers with full-page ads. Many newspapers also reprinted the group's 800 number in articles about the "epidemic." As a result, according to the Journal, the group raised "more money more quickly than it has for any previous cause." It has already amassed over $10 million, which added to insurance coverage is enough to build each burned church three times over. But not to fear, the NCC knows what to do with the windfall. It has designated at least a third of that amount to what Jones calls "program advocacy," seminars and other forums to denounce not just "racism" but in Jones's words "interlocking oppressions from gender to homophobia." NCC will also use the cash to campaign for "economic justice"--a code phrase for increased welfare spending. Some of the NCC's donors, especially the larger ones, are well aware of this. Grain magnate and Archer Daniels Midland Chairman Dwayne Andreas, himself the major recipient of a corporate welfare program (gasohol) estimated to cost taxpayers $770 million a year, considered giving money to the Burned Churches Fund but ended up cutting a cool $1 million check directly to the NCC instead. But most of the $20 and $50 donors have no idea their contributions won't necessarily be spent on a new steeple or altar, but perhaps instead to convince Americans that gay is good and that American women are treated as second-class citizens. They also don't know that the man designated to administer the fund is Don Rojas, formerly press secretary to the Marxist leader of Grenada, Maurice Bishop, and later executive editor of the anti-Semitic Amsterdam News in New York. If anything good has come from this hoax, it's proof that Americans are not the scum-sucking racists we've been accused of being. But we are, alas, suckers. Behind their crocodile tears, the NCC and CDR must be laughing all the way to the bank. --- Fumento Files ~~~~ AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Mar
Re: [CTRL] Republican Hate Rhetoric Turns Deadly
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/12/99 9:27:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: MJ: While the conclusion may or may NOT be true [cause], what exactly makes the muder of an individual within a 'protected' group WORSE than the murder of some other individual? Yes, murder is murder and the US murder statistics stand out like a malignant cancer. The extreme right wing hate mongers have so many reason and excuses for violence that it is astounding. Bob Grant, Rush, Limbaugh, G. Gordon Liddy and others give us more daily. The hate murder is unique in motivation because it is not based upon some twisted notion of benefiting oneself. It is based upon the absurd notion that certain groups, who do not harm other, are intrinsically evil so that one is justified before God and right thinking people for killing this person(s). Of course, those who encourage such action obviously bear some measure of responsibility. Even if such creatures as Bob Grant sincerely believe that they have some special role in helping to eliminate homosexuals, i.e. even if they are completely insane, it does not exonerate them from their responsibility to meet the natural requirements of courtesy, respect, and tolerance for others that living in a democratic civil society entails. Would any robbery be a 'hate crime' since the perpetrator most certainly 'hates' 'rich people'. This statement does not make sense. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Republican Hate Rhetoric Turns Deadly
e editor of the anti-Semitic Amsterdam News in New York. If anything good has come from this hoax, it's proof that Americans are not the scum-sucking racists we've been accused of being. But we are, alas, suckers. Behind their crocodile tears, the NCC and CDR must be laughing all the way to the bank. --- Fumento Files ~~~~ AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + -- : From: M.A. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Subject: Re: [CTRL] Republican Hate Rhetoric Turns Deadly : Date: Monday, January 11, 1999 9:20 PM : : -Caveat Lector- : : Murder is murder ... execute the perpetrators or otherwise : [non-taxpayer] fund their permanent incarceration. : : Would any robbery be a 'hate crime' since the perpetrator most : certainly 'hates' 'rich people'. : : : Regard$, : --MJ DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- When I say white people outnumber Black people, I mean "in the U.S." Best, HA DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Republican Hate Rhetoric Turns Deadly
-Caveat Lector- MJ: While the conclusion may or may NOT be true [cause], what exactly makes the muder of an individual within a 'protected' group WORSE than the murder of some other individual? Gerald Harp wrote: Yes, murder is murder and the US murder statistics stand out like a malignant cancer. The extreme right wing hate mongers have so many reason and excuses for violence that it is astounding. Bob Grant, Rush, Limbaugh, G. Gordon Liddy and snip MJ: What exactly does the above have to do with the questions regarding 'thought crimes' posited above? Have you no response? How does one KNOW that these two individuals killed the third for the sole reason that he was gay? Was it merely the same variety as any whitey that kills a black is a racist? MJ: Would any robbery be a 'hate crime' since the perpetrator most certainly 'hates' 'rich people'. Gerald Harp wrote: This statement does not make sense. MJ: Sure it does ... if two guys kill a guy and he happens to be gay it MUST be a 'hate' crime. I somebody 'rips off' another guy ... it too must be a 'hate' crime because that person obviously hates 'rich people'. Regard$, --MJ There are mighty few people who think what they think they think. -- Robert Henri DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Republican Hate Rhetoric Turns Deadly
-Caveat Lector- Gerald Harp wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/12/99 9:27:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: MJ: While the conclusion may or may NOT be true [cause], what exactly makes the muder of an individual within a 'protected' group WORSE than the murder of some other individual? Yes, murder is murder and the US murder statistics stand out like a malignant cancer. The extreme right wing hate mongers have so many reason and excuses for violence that it is astounding. There is primarily ONE reason for the burden of violence we experience... When a crime is committed, it is not followed SWIFTLY by CERTAIN (and appropriate) punishment. Over 95% of FELONIES in the U.S. are "unsolved," whereas in Japan, over 95% of felonies result in jail time. Hawk DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Republican Hate Rhetoric Turns Deadly
-Caveat Lector- Tom J. Wright A Semi-Weekly Column of Political Commentary January 1-January 15, 1999 Republican Hate Rhetoric Turns Deadly: Somebody Stop Them Before They Kill Again "Brains you know, are suspect in the Republican Party." --Walter Lippmann, famous American political commentator, December 14, 1974 "Indeed there are some Republicans I would trust with anything-anything, that is, except public office." --Adlai Stevenson, Jr. during a Presidential campaign speech in Springfield, Illinois, August 14, 1952 Although overshadowed lately by MonicaGate, the brutal beating and killing of gay University of Wyoming student Matthew Shepard, shocked the nation and disgusted people around the world. The barbarity of the murderers, who tied Matthew Shepard to a fence and beat him to death with the butts of their guns, was stunning. This vicious murder was motivated in large part, perhaps entirely, by the radical homophobia of the two men who killed him. Matthew Shepard lost his life simply because he was gay. Many other instances of homophobic acts of violence, here in the United States especially, have occurred as well. Also, hate crimes in general are on the rise across the country. An obvious question arises: Why has homophobic violence, and many other kinds of hate crimes, been rising so dramatically? And why have the intensity and ferocity of that violence become so extreme? The increase in hate crimes is a direct result of the increase in hate rhetoric. And we all know who the masters of hate are: the hard core Republican right wing. These lunatics spew out hate the way an open sewer spews out raw sewage. Here are just a few disgusting examples of Republicans at work: Conservative New York radio commentator Bob Grant once said, on the air to millions of listeners, that he wished that police had machine-gunned New York City's gay pride marchers during a 1994 parade. Grant also told one disaffected listener of his show, who was angry about one minority or another, to "Well, get a gun and go do something, then." Republican Senator Trent Lott called homosexuality a "disease", like kleptomania. Radical Republican conservative Congressman Dick Armey called fellow Congressman Barney Frank, "Barney Fag", then claimed it was a slip of the tongue. Right wing nutcase and Republican party BigWig Pat Robertson stated that Disney World in Orlando, Florida would be struck by some catastrophe because it didn't properly discriminate against gay people the way he does. The list goes on and on. The Republican Party has turned hate and scapegoating and fearmongering into a science. It's what they are good at doing. It's what they do best. And boy, are they proud of it. But so far, no one has forced conservatives to take responsibility for their hate rhetoric. This certainly includes the media, which of course is itself mostly right wing. How else do you think sick bastards like the aforementioned Bob Grant, Hitler-wannabee Pat Buchanan, the loony Nixonite G. Gordon Liddy, and all of their right wing clones throughout the country, ever get on the air? It ain't accidental, folks. Well, it is time for the American People to hold the Republicans, and their mouthpieces in the media, personally accountable for their outrageous scapegoating, inflammatory rhetoric, manipulative scare tactics, and the violence that inevitably follows. These spewers of hate must be stopped before they kill again. But we have to act quickly, because make no mistake about it, the Republican Party is a very dangerous organization, full of hubris, hyper- conservative dementia, and a ton of $$money$$. This ill-begotten monster was born with the rise to power of that famous loon Ronald "Bedtime For Bonzo" Reagan, and it's been growing ever since. The best way to stop it and these people behind it, is to vote the Republican Party out of office. And out of existence. Like the Whigs of yesteryear, it is time for the Republican Party to die. It is too infested with fanatics to be saved. Just put the thing out of its misery, for God's sake. That will leave us with the Corporate Democrats on the right, Progressives on the center left, and Libertarians somewhere in between. Also, a sincere letter of apology, signed by conservatives everywhere, should be promptly submitted to the American People, and put on display in Washington D.C. The display will serve to remind potential hatemongers everywhere that they will endure Great Pain, Suffering, and Humiliation, if they ever again attempt such crude tactics. Not only that, if the likes of Bob Grant or his ilk ever openly encourage violence against innocent citizens again, and said violence occurs, then the District Attorney of the county in which the incitement to violence was made, should promptly prosecute them as criminals, for aiding and abetting a crime. You won't believe how quickly these
