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-Caveat Lector- << The CIA and German backed KLA was charged with creating a civil war between Kosovars and Serbs in Kosovo. >> The problem between the Kosovars and Serbs was a bit late in the game. Think of the early war between the Croations and the Serbs with Bosnia thrown in for better catalyst. Think of beautiful Sarajevo reduced to scrap. Remember when they shot the lovers who had permission to pass into Serbia. Never mind my liberal sieve. Think about George Bush Sr. saying nothing, doing nothing to stop the mess. Years later Eagleburger said it was because he had business interests there. Seems all our international movement during Republican administrations have to do with Bush family business interests. Prudy http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- > < Slobo inherited a lot of problems. >> > > What he really inherited was a country on the verge of an old fashioned > American style success. The problems to which I refer include having had a number of people who were guest workers in Western Europe, much like the Turks were, who sent a portion of their earnings back to Yugoslavia and helped bolster their economy. When the recessions hit in the late 70-ies or early 80ies, this source of revenue dried up. On top of the exportation of labour (and resultant importation of revenue), the larger issue of actual goods exportation for revenue also dwindled. Subsequent to this series of events, the economy faltered, "requiring" the IMF to step in and "restructure" the economy. Thus, down the slippery slope of foreign intervention. Then the central government tried to keep the whole thing going by taking the taxation from the more productive (i.e., wealthier) states and supporting the least capable (i.e., Kosovaria). This upset the productive states and then they decided they didn't want to be part of the union no mo'. Somewhere in all of this we see Slobo arriving on the scene. Then we have the separatist causes of Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia, and others. Et cetera, et cetera. A good source for material on this is *Balkan Tragedy*, by Susan L. Woodward. There are many good charts in the book, among them rates of unemployment from 1979 to 1991 (13.9% to 16.5%, respectively, the largest jump occurring between 1981 to 1986, Reaganomics years); Croatia had about 6%, Slovenia about 2%, Kosovaria 39% to 59% (!), and Bosnia between 17% and 22% (all numbers approximate as I'm reading off the charts). The others hover in the late teens for percentage except Macedonia which is in the upper 20%. Find the Albanian concentration. This is to point out their resistance to the government. Inflation for the whole of the country went from near 0% to around 200% in 1988 then to 1200 (twelve hundred)% in 1989 then back down to a balmy 100+%. I think Slobo's real rise to power came along around 1989-90. GDP went from + 5% in 1979 down to +/- 0% until 1989 then plummeted to -15% in 1991. More resistance to Belgrade? This was about the time the separatist movements cranked up. And Slobo was the President of Serbia. The end result was due to an overdependence on the West for revenue (Yugoslavia had always been able to trade with the West) then an overdependence on rescues. Thus, the squeeze play resulting in the 1999 "war". A little something on Slobo from http://suc.org/politics/papers/history/vujacic.html }}>Begin SERBIAN NATIONALISM, SLOBODAN MILOSEVIC AND THE ORIGINS OF THE YUGOSLAV WAR Dr. Veljko Vujacic The Harriman Review, Vol.8, No.4, December 1995 Much of the current Yugoslav crisis has revolved around the mysterious figure of Serbian President Slobodan Milosevic. Milosevic has been blamed for fanning the flames of Serbian nationalism, destroying the Yugoslav state, provoking civil war by organizing hate campaigns in the state-controlled media (especially television), arming "rebel Serbs" in the Krajna (Croatia), "ethnic cleansing" in Bosnia, and plotting to create "Greater Serbia." He has been called a "Communist apparatchik," a "ruthless nationalist populist," a "Balkan butcher," a "fascist," and "the most odious statesman in Europe since World War II." Probably no other president of a European country has been so vilified in the postwar Western press. In December 1992, Lawrence Eagleburger, an erstwhile acquaintance of Mr. Milosevic (at the time of his ambassadorship in Belgrade) declared the Serbian President a "war criminal." Eagleburger made this statement on the very eve of the fateful election which pitted the Californian-Serbian businessman Milan Panic against Milosevic. Intentionally or unintentionally, the statement fortified Milosevic's image as a "national hero" reelection (remember the re-election of Kurt Waldheim?) and weakened the chances of Mr. Panic whom the regime desperately attempted to portray as a CIA agent bent on destroying Serbia. It is all the more ironic, in view of all this, that Milosevic has recently become "our man in Belgrade." The current American negotiator in the Balkans, Richard Holbroke, is full of praise for Milosevic the peace-broker, undoubtedly because of his willingness to give up the Krajina region to Croatia and cede a huge territory in Western Bosnia to the Croat-Muslim federation. For better or for worse, Milosevic is still the man in charge of Serbia and the one who has greater leverage on Bosnian Serbs than any other Serbian politician in his place could possibly have. Moreover, it is almost certain that no other major Serbian politician could watch the stream of more than 250,000 Serbian refugees escaping the combined attack of Croatian and Bosnian forces in Krajina and Western Bosnia with the same august and cynical indifference as Milosevic. For all these reasons, and in a truly
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-Caveat Lector- "Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > In a message dated 07/03/2001 12:42:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << Slobo inherited a lot of problems. >> > > What he really inherited was a country on the verge of an old fashioned > American style success. Yugoslavia had a diverse population (both in ethnic > background and religion) that spoke a common language and which had learned > to get along together, mainly because Tito insisted on it and it had become a > way of life. Yugoslavia had rich natural resources which, if judiciously > used, could have brought a good income. Yugoslavia had a fine sea coast with > islands for fishing and swimming, and some really great places to ski. > Affluent tourists were beginning to go there. There were lovely cities, > lovely food and wonderful music. Unfortunately Yugoslavia had a big military > presence and a lot of armament. It was all in Beograd. Of course, there > were the old rancors too, and with a bit of luck, these could escalate. > Divide and conquer has always worked. That was the only inheritance "Slobo" > cared about. So by wallowing in the mire of the past, Yugoslavia lost her > chance at a glorious future. Slobo was a short sighted bum. Prudy > You got most of it right, but as soon as you filtered it through you Liberal sieve, you turned it into drivel. Yugoslavia was intentionally divided and broken up by Germany and the USA. They funded the MOST nationalist elements in EVERY Yugo province starting with Slovenia and Croatia. Germany recognized the minority breakaway elements, and it all came down to a scramble for land based on ethnicity. Slobo was not a racist. But he was a Communist, and Yugo's socialist economy was WORKING quite nicely. This was unacceptable to the Elites pushing for a United States of Europe, and a Corporate Capitalist economy. The CIA and German backed KLA was charged with creating a civil war between Kosovars and Serbs in Kosovo. They did exactly that, and created a phony situation of " ethnic cleansing " which appealed to Liberal morons who backed an aggressive war by the USA and NATO against a country which did not commit aggression against anyone. Joshua2 http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 07/03/2001 12:42:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Slobo inherited a lot of problems. >> What he really inherited was a country on the verge of an old fashioned American style success. Yugoslavia had a diverse population (both in ethnic background and religion) that spoke a common language and which had learned to get along together, mainly because Tito insisted on it and it had become a way of life. Yugoslavia had rich natural resources which, if judiciously used, could have brought a good income. Yugoslavia had a fine sea coast with islands for fishing and swimming, and some really great places to ski. Affluent tourists were beginning to go there. There were lovely cities, lovely food and wonderful music. Unfortunately Yugoslavia had a big military presence and a lot of armament. It was all in Beograd. Of course, there were the old rancors too, and with a bit of luck, these could escalate. Divide and conquer has always worked. That was the only inheritance "Slobo" cared about. So by wallowing in the mire of the past, Yugoslavia lost her chance at a glorious future. Slobo was a short sighted bum. Prudy http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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>>>This whole thing started with the economic turn-down in the 80ies followed by the
IMF's involvement. Slobo inherited a lot of problems. A<>E<>R <<<
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DUSAN STOJANOVIC, Associated Press Writer
Monday, July 2, 2001
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(07-02) 04:24 PDT BELGRADE, Yugoslavia (AP) --
The $1.28 billion pledged by the United States and other Western donors to reward
Yugoslavia for sending Slobodan Milosevic to the U.N. war crimes tribunal is just a
drop in the ocean for an economy that fell apart under his 13-year rule.
The funds, promised Friday at an aid conference in Brussels, Belgium, will not make
much difference for most Serbs, who are saddled with a $12.2 billion-dollar foreign
debt, 30 percent unemployment and about 80 percent annual inflation. Serbs make up
90 percent of Yugoslavia's population.
"After 10 years of isolation, we are practically bankrupt," Serbian Prime Minister
told the German economic daily, Handelsblatt, in an article published Sunday. "If we
don't show the population soon that things are getting better, the political
situation could become very critical."
A sliver of the money will go toward paying the salaries of teachers, doctors and
other workers who will be laid off in the restructuring of the economy, officials
said.
But most will go toward the debt, and another portion will be spent on repairing the
bridges, roads, factories and other infrastructure destroyed by NATO during its 1999
bombing of Yugoslavia.
The airstrikes -- designed to force Milosevic to halt a crackdown on ethnic
Albanians in the southern Serbian province of Kosovo -- cost Yugoslavia an estimated
$29.4 billion in lost infrastructure, and at least 500,000 lost their jobs, the
government estimates.
Yugoslavia, made up of Serbia and tiny Montenegro, is at near-beggar status, said
Miroljub Labus, the country's deputy prime minister.
"The Germans are paying for our electricity, others are paying for something else,"
he said. "The people here are not aware of that, but unfortunately we are in such a
situation that we cannot finance our basic needs."
But economists estimate that only $800 million or so will actually reach Yugoslavia.
Most of the World Bank's pledge of some $150 million will go toward the debt, as
will $220 million of the $350 million promised by the European Union, said Milica
Uvalic, a deputy minister for foreign economic cooperation.
"The promised money has to come in fast," Uvalic said, suggesting that any delay
could trigger social upheavals and undermine the new reformist government that
unseated Milosevic in October. "I think the Western countries understood this at the
donors' conference."
The United States had threatened to boycott the donors' conference, but promised
$181.6 million in Brussels -- with additional strings attached -- after the surprise
extradition of Milosevic.
"We are making this pledge confident that Yugoslav authorities will continue to
fulfill their international obligations ... including, of course, the transfer to
the tribunal of other tribunal indictees on the territory of Yugoslavia," said State
Department spokesman Philip Reeker.
With a gross domestic product of barely $8 billion -- less than its foreign debt --
Yugoslavia is struggling to finance its debt repayments. The budget gap in 2001 is
expected to be about $300 million.
Although there has been a limited recovery since Milosevic's ouster, much of the
economy is operating at only 50 percent capacity.
The World Bank, which organized the donors' conference together with the European
Union, estimates that Yugoslavia will need $4 billion in foreign financial
assistance over the next four years.
The money pledged for Yugoslavia underlines the strategic importance the country has
for stability in the troubled Balkan region. Last year, the whole of southeastern
Europe, which covers most of the Balkans, attracted only $3.2 billion in foreign
investment.
Yugoslavia needs three more aid conferences in coming years in order to revive its
ruined economy, Uvalic said.
"The country is in a total chaos, there are major, major problems in every aspect of
the organization of the economy," said Rory O'Sullivan, a World Bank official.
©2001 Associated Press
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