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Dick Eastman Mike Ruppert debates DE on Frame-up analysis Sat Oct 20 21:09:12 2001 "When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it ... always." -- Mohatma Gandhi (Thanks to Betsy Stang - [EMAIL PROTECTED] of the Wittenberg Center for Alternative Resources) ======================================== Here is a man, Mike Ruppert, who strongly disagrees with the frame-up analysis: Mike Ruppert's views appear in "Lower-case letters"" Dick Eastman responds in "CAPITAL LETTERS" ================================ This is patently and demonstrably inaccurate information. I encourage any who are spreading to stop it immediately. To suggest that the Mossad are business partners with the Taliban is beyond stupid. It indicates the need for psychiatric medication. YOU HAVE IT WRONG, FRIEND. I SUGGEST THAT THE CIA AND MOSSAD HAVE AN ALLIANCE WITH THE "NORTHERN aLLAINCE" DRUG LORDS, WHO SUPPLY OPIUM (YOU SAY 75 PERCENT, OTHER MAINSTREAM SOURCES, E.G., NATIONAL PUBLIC RADIO, BBC ETC. SAY 80 OR 90 PERCENT -- THE DIFFERENCE IS INSIGNIFICANT -- EVEN AT 25 PERCENT THE INCENTIVE IS MORE THAN ADEQUATE TO MOTIVATE MAJOR CRIMINALITY. Afghanistan does not produce 80-90% of the world's heroin. At its peak in 2000, Afghanistan produced 75% of the world's opium. It produced almost none last year. Almost Afghan heroin has been sold in Western Europe for the last decade. Involving the Chinese would mean smuggling in the wrong direction; send it east to get it west. "China White" does not come from China. It is a generic name that refers to the fourth stage of refinement. It can be made in Mexico or Colombia or Thailand or Iran. As a former LAPD narcotics investigator who was trained also by the DEA I know this to be a fact YOU ARE QUITE A FORMER INVESTIGATOR INDEED TO CLAIM TO KNOW EVERYTHING THE CHINA TRIADS ARE NOT DOING. AT ANY RATE, THE POSITIVE INFORMATION YOU GIVE IS NO WAY INCONSISTENT WITH THE FRAME-UP ANALYSIS YOU SEEK TO DISCREDIT-- HEROIN "CAN BE MADE AND DEFINITELY IS MADE IN CENTRAL AND EAST ASIA AS WELL - THE CRUCIAL POINT IS THAT HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF WHAT IS MADE IS MADE FROM NORTHERN ALLIANCE OPIUM. (i ALSO NOTE JANET RENO'S TENDENCY TO INVESTIGATE AND BUST ONLY THE COMPETITIORS OF THE CHINESE-AFFILIATED DISTRIBUTORS -- A TENDENCY THAT IS CONTINUING TODAY UNDER ASHCROFT? THE POINT IS THAT YOUR BACKGROUND HELPS, BUT IT IS NOT CONCLUSIVE AUTHORITY -- AND IN FACT, GIVEN THE OTHER INFORMATION, IT IS OUTRIGHT WRONG.) I have never seen ANY credible information that the PLA distributes it. THAT'S FUNNY NEITHER HAS MY AUNT MILDRED. WHAT A COINCIDENCE. In fact, the cash flows through the Caucasus and the Balkans remove any possibility of Chinese involvement. WHY DO YOU CONSTRAIN YOUR COUNTER-ANALYSIS TO JUST THOSE TO AVENUES? THE HEROIN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GOES TO THE U.S., THROUGH THE PANAMA CANAL, TO THE LARGEST CONTAINER PORT IN THE WORLD IN THE CARRIBIAN, OWNED BY THE P.L.A. AND COSCO. 60% of the U.S. heroin supply originates in Colombia. YOU HAVE GREAT CERTITUDE HERE -- BUT THE F.A.R.C. ARE AFFILIATED WITH THE CHINESE -- THEY ARE PART OF THE LONG-STANDING FOREIGN POLICY OF PROMOTING WARS OF NATIONAL LIBERATION DEVELOPED BY ZHOU ENLAI -- DRUGS IS HOW THEY GET THE MONEY TO LEVERAGE THEIR POWER. (LOTS MORE ON THIS IF YOU NEED IT, There has never been any credible evidence that the Mossad is in business with the Taliban or the Northern Alliance while there is an abundance of evidence that the CIA has been for a long time. WHAT I HAVE CLAIMED IS THAT THE MOSSAD HAS 'INFILTRATED' CENTRTAL ASIA WITH AGENTS -- I DID NOT SUGGEST THAT MOSSAD IS ALLIED WITH TALIBAN -- IS THIS A PIECE OF DISINFORMATION YOU HAVE INJECTED TO MAKE THE FRAME-UP ANALYSIS APPEAR ABSURD TO THOSE WHO READ YOUR REBUTTAL WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE ORIGINAL DICUMENT. A documented, sourced and verified analysis of the Afghanistan heroin situation has previously been posted to this list. It is also available on my web site, www.copvcia.com. The server company pulled the site today because we have been getting so much traffic that we blew their servers. We will be up and running within 48 hours. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALING ABOUT HERE. I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH YOUR SITE. I HAVE NOT SEEN THIS ANALYSIS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOUR ANALYSIS. BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN NEW TWISTED SPIN IN SOME NEWSPAPERS ATTEMPTING TO SAY THAT THE TALIBAN IS PRO-OPIUM -- THE FACT IS THAT OPIUM WAS CUT DOWN BECAUSE THE TALIBAN -- WHO OPPOSE DRUGS AND ALCOHOL -- ERRADICATED OPIUM (MY SOURCE HERE WAS AN IN DEPTH REPORT ON NATIONAL PUBLIC RADIO'S ALL THINGS CONSIDERED -- AS WELL AS OTHER MAINSTREAM SOURCES -- AS WELL AS INFORMED HONEST MEN ON THE NET. Whoever originated this b.s. story should be totally ashamed for their lack of sourcing, lack of integrity, and utter disregard for the truth. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ME. DICK EASTMAN 223 S. 64TH AVE. YAKIMA, WASHINGTON EVERY MAN IS RESPONSIBLE TO EVERY OTHER MAN Mike Ruppert "From The Wilderness" www.copvcia.com |
