Re: [CTRL] San Angelo, Texas: Home of Spies
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 06/26/2001 4:10:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From what (a new resident) reads, he thinks all they do at Goodfellow is train firefighters, said retired Air Force Col. Charles E. Powell, Goodfellow's commanding officer from 1980-1984. As you well know, that's far from the truth. I just got a call yesterday afternoon from a young man we knew in Turkey. He has always been a fire fighter, and he said he was at Goodfellow for six weeks to train as a rescue technician. Had I known he was a spy I would have immediately called the CIA and the FBI. Well, maybe not. They seem to have their own troubles. I guess we'll just have to let this guy continue his spy training. I doubt he'll ever be able to take the place of the homegrown crop we seem to have here anyway. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] San Angelo, Texas: Home of Spies
-Caveat Lector- San Angelo, Texas: Home of Spies : http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,44578,00.html By Bill Lamb 2:00 a.m. June 25, 2001 PDT SAN ANGELO, Texas -- As president of the chamber of commerce, it is Michael Dalby's job to be this city's biggest civic booster, always available to talk glowingly about the tax base, jobs, home prices and good corporate citizenship. But his repertoire of good news and optimism contains a little something extra: We understand the security business. No doubt. Thanks to neighboring Goodfellow Air Force Base, this isolated West Texas city of 87,000 may harbor more spies, ex-spies and future spies per capita than any place in America, save Washington, D.C. Since the late 1950s, the relatively obscure base, 90 miles of two-lane highway south of Abilene, has trained thousands of men and women in the increasingly high-tech art of signals intelligence, known in military jargon as SIGINT. The stock and trade of the super-secret National Security Agency, SIGINT is one of the most closely held, least discussed aspects of U.S. intelligence efforts. In San Angelo, however, it's a secret that really isn't, although it may be spoken of in euphemisms or simply referred to in vague terms. Publicly, the base's new armed forces firefighter training program grabs most of the spotlight simply because it is a mission that can be talked about. From what (a new resident) reads, he thinks all they do at Goodfellow is train firefighters, said retired Air Force Col. Charles E. Powell, Goodfellow's commanding officer from 1980-1984. As you well know, that's far from the truth. Smoke rising from Goodfellow's firefighter training grounds may attract the public's attention, but the work inside windowless brick buildings keeps the NSA's worldwide front lines manned and takes place without acknowledgment. Even passersby -- civilian and military alike -- who photograph nearby flight exhibits are warned not to shoot buildings in the background. But these simple rules belie the level of security that surrounds Goodfellow's mission. In many respects, the public's perception of how secret something can be is wholly inadequate for describing how carefully the details and technologies of SIGINT operations are guarded. With an average base contingent of 3,000, and military retirees living in the area numbering in the hundreds, San Angelo residents can never know if a new acquaintance is or was one of America's high-tech spies. Glenn Miller would be one of those unassuming strangers with stories to tell, but don't count on hearing any. He joined the Air Force in the early 1970s with plans to become an air traffic controller. Those plans changed when he scored well on language aptitude tests and was made an offer he didn't want to refuse. After 37 weeks of Russian language training, he arrived for his first tour at Goodfellow, as a student, in 1972. San Angelo was one of those places (the students) either liked or hated. And I think the people who hated it were the single guys, Miller said. They used to roll the streets up at 9 o'clock around here. Twenty-three years of active duty led him to additional language studies, multiple tours in Europe -- including a two-year stint at the U.S. Embassy in Moscow, a tour at NSA headquarters in Maryland and two additional tours at Goodfellow as both an instructor and supervisor. Following his second tour at Goodfellow, the Pennsylvania native decided San Angelo was a good place to call home. He and his wife Janet retired to the city in 1994, and he is now a county veterans service officer. It was friendly. Low cost of living. And totally different from Pennsylvania. And we didn't want to go back there, he said. We liked it. We just liked it. It's not an uncommon story, according to Dalby, who cited two of the more well known Goodfellow retirees: a former base commander who served as mayor and another veteran who established a highly successful chain of convenience stores in the area. (Retirees) are serving on different boards and committees here in the community, and that makes for maybe a better understanding of the base's mission than perhaps other communities would have, said Dalby. While a growing number of European governments question and fear the scope of American SIGINT missions, and privacy advocates protest the presence of American intelligence personnel at overseas collection sites, Goodfellow Air Force Base remains mostly unknown to the public and largely ignored. But the scope and importance of worldwide events aren't ignored in West Texas. As a community, we tend to take a little more interest in those kinds of stories, said Dalby. The only serious threats to Goodfellow have been home grown: A series of proposed base closings during the past two decades left civic leaders scrambling to save the facility. In 1992, thousands of San Angelo residents lined the streets to greet members of a base closure committee in town for a
Re: [CTRL] San Angelo, Texas: Home of Spies
-Caveat Lector- Being able to say I am a life-long resident of San Angelo, and having just returned to town, it amazes me how some other aspects of the base, and military around this area, are not talked about in the article, such as the massive foreign-language training area of the base. Not to mention the old PAVE PAWS facility about 35 miles south of here. That Wired article barely touched the surface. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceónot soap-boxingóplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'ówith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsóis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- *--* James R. Valles, Jr. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * * * * e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 915-944-0774 (home) *--* When I was a little kid, my mother told me not to stare into the sun. So once when I was six, I did. -- Maximillian Cohen, lead character in the movie ¼ (pi) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] San Angelo, Texas: Home of Spies
-Caveat Lector- All the services had SIGINT training at Goodbuddy when I was a soldier there '83-'84. Just in our classroom, one of many, the Army occupied the Mids, Navy/Marines on AMs and the AF on the swing shift. San Angelo is situated in Tom Green county, a suckass place with bizarre liquor laws, though the steakhouse were topnotch. IMO, the government should have closed the base and moved all operations to Ft. Devens in Mass or, even better, to Pensacola NAS. ;) -- ´´ Mark McHugh radman wrote: -Caveat Lector- San Angelo, Texas: Home of Spies : http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,44578,00.html By Bill Lamb 2:00 a.m. June 25, 2001 PDT SAN ANGELO, Texas -- As president of the chamber of commerce, it is Michael Dalby's job to be this city's biggest civic booster, always available to talk glowingly about the tax base, jobs, home prices and good corporate citizenship. But his repertoire of good news and optimism contains a little something extra: We understand the security business. No doubt. Thanks to neighboring Goodfellow Air Force Base, this isolated West Texas city of 87,000 may harbor more spies, ex-spies and future spies per capita than any place in America, save Washington, D.C. Since the late 1950s, the relatively obscure base, 90 miles of two-lane highway south of Abilene, has trained thousands of men and women in the increasingly high-tech art of signals intelligence, known in military jargon as SIGINT. The stock and trade of the super-secret National Security Agency, SIGINT is one of the most closely held, least discussed aspects of U.S. intelligence efforts. In San Angelo, however, it's a secret that really isn't, although it may be spoken of in euphemisms or simply referred to in vague terms. Publicly, the base's new armed forces firefighter training program grabs most of the spotlight simply because it is a mission that can be talked about. From what (a new resident) reads, he thinks all they do at Goodfellow is train firefighters, said retired Air Force Col. Charles E. Powell, Goodfellow's commanding officer from 1980-1984. As you well know, that's far from the truth. Smoke rising from Goodfellow's firefighter training grounds may attract the public's attention, but the work inside windowless brick buildings keeps the NSA's worldwide front lines manned and takes place without acknowledgment. Even passersby -- civilian and military alike -- who photograph nearby flight exhibits are warned not to shoot buildings in the background. But these simple rules belie the level of security that surrounds Goodfellow's mission. In many respects, the public's perception of how secret something can be is wholly inadequate for describing how carefully the details and technologies of SIGINT operations are guarded. With an average base contingent of 3,000, and military retirees living in the area numbering in the hundreds, San Angelo residents can never know if a new acquaintance is or was one of America's high-tech spies. Glenn Miller would be one of those unassuming strangers with stories to tell, but don't count on hearing any. He joined the Air Force in the early 1970s with plans to become an air traffic controller. Those plans changed when he scored well on language aptitude tests and was made an offer he didn't want to refuse. After 37 weeks of Russian language training, he arrived for his first tour at Goodfellow, as a student, in 1972. San Angelo was one of those places (the students) either liked or hated. And I think the people who hated it were the single guys, Miller said. They used to roll the streets up at 9 o'clock around here. Twenty-three years of active duty led him to additional language studies, multiple tours in Europe -- including a two-year stint at the U.S. Embassy in Moscow, a tour at NSA headquarters in Maryland and two additional tours at Goodfellow as both an instructor and supervisor. Following his second tour at Goodfellow, the Pennsylvania native decided San Angelo was a good place to call home. He and his wife Janet retired to the city in 1994, and he is now a county veterans service officer. It was friendly. Low cost of living. And totally different from Pennsylvania. And we didn't want to go back there, he said. We liked it. We just liked it. It's not an uncommon story, according to Dalby, who cited two of the more well known Goodfellow retirees: a former base commander who served as mayor and another veteran who established a highly successful chain of convenience stores in the area. (Retirees) are serving on different boards and committees here in the community, and that makes for maybe a better understanding of the base's mission than perhaps other communities would have, said Dalby. While a growing number of European governments question and fear the scope of American SIGINT missions, and privacy advocates protest the presence of American intelligence
