[CTRL] Secret Societies and the NWO

2000-05-03 Thread Nurev Ind Research

>
J2> I have nothing against socialism. If it's good enough
J2> for rich capitalists, it's good enough for me.
>
> Foxter wrote:  Aren't you confusing oligarchism with socialism?

No I'm not. They are oligarchs only because they enjoy the benefits of
socialism by controlling the government. The precise description of our
political system is plutocratic cleptocracy. A political system devised to
help the rich steal.

J2> How much of the value of your work goes to lazy freeloaders, and how much
goes
J2> to your
J2> employer, and how much goes into taxes that support the rich and their
J2> corporations?
>
>   Much of it does, that is a choice the government has made.  That
> choice includes allowing employers to keep a portion of their earnings (viz,
> capitalism).   This choice can be made by a dictatorship, democracy or
> socialist country.  Employers' earnings are not an effect of democracy as a
> cause.  Nor are tax levels.

I think I agree, but i'm not certain I understand what you mean. Labor value
is an economic term and democracy and dictatorship are political terms.

J2> In case you don't know it, it costs you MUCH more to subsidize the rich than
J2> it does the poor, the lazy, the crippled, the sick, and the insane.
>
>  Agreed here.  A rich lifestyle costs more than a poor lifestyle.
> In this country many sick and disabled are thankful they are in this country
> instead of others.

This is a ridiculous statement. How do you know this? How do the happy sick and
disabled know what it's like to be sick and disabled in other countries? They
don't. It's only better to be sick and disabled in this country if you are rich
or have a good insurance policy. Forty million of your fellow citizens don't. So
for them your statement is absurd. They would be better off in  any other
industrialized country, and some third world countries with good socialized
medicine.

> It gives me a degree of happiness to support them
> through taxes.  This includes my elderly mother on social security and a good
> friend on disability.

Then you know in a real sense the benefits of socialism. So do the Congress, the
military, the professional government bureaucracy, defense contractors, the CIA,
the NSA, and ALL LARGE CORPORATIONS. They all receive the benefits of
 socialism. But WE, the
ordinary working people who create the wealth they all live on, are constantly
brainwashed into thinking that socialism is bad.
It works.

Naom Chomsky calls it socialism for the rich, and capitalism for the poor.

Joshua2

http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org
DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please!  These are sordid
matters
and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om



Re: [CTRL] Secret Societies and the NWO

2000-05-01 Thread Nurev Ind Research

Thank you for this post!


You have reminded me to stop working once in awhile and enjoy the fruits of
my labor.  That's hard won labor even though it is Monday through Friday,
9-5 with good clean working conditions and COLA's.

So, maybe I'll go shopping today.  Maybe bake a cake.  Plant some flowers.
Read a book.

Or, perhaps I will go through my goods and donate them to those who are
unable because of [politics] to have enough food, shelter and clothing.

Question:  are you personally for or against labor unions (in a
capitalistic environment in the 2lst century)?
 +

I'm not sure who you are talking to in your post, but I'll answer your
question about unions.

I am very much against the unions that exist in this country. They are
allowed to exist for the same reason that the FDA is allowed to exist.
They protect the corporations from their workers, just as the FDA protects
drug companies from the public.

All unions today are corporate capitalists. The anti capitalist unions
were wiped out by corporate goons and the Feds prior to WWII.

I believe that the only solution left for ordinary people is to take
ownership of money making enterprises. Government owned means of production
has led to concentration of wealth for the party elites and crap for their
citizens. Private ownership of the means of production isn't much better.

Worker ownership of the means of production has not yet been tried on a
large scale. It has been successful on a small scale.

This is the only way to get rid of all the parasites who live off of my labor.
Stock owners, Commissars, union bosses, management, etc.

Joshua2

http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org
DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please!  These are sordid
matters
and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om



Re: [CTRL] Secret Societies and the NWO

2000-05-01 Thread David Sutherland

Well J2 ... you ALMOST started to, for once, make sense on this topic -
until those last absurdities about Christians being PURE "communists".

Those inanities you prattled simply show that you have no true
understanding, or definition of either terms.

Using your "logic" one could extrapolate from "St" Paul's words, when he
states that if a man does not work he ought not eat; "For even when we were
with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should
he eat." (2 Thessalonians 3:10)  - to conclude that Christians, were
down-in-the-gutter, lets get dirt greedy, a dog-eat-dog breed, of the most
extreme element of pernicious, and parasitic type of Economic Rationalist
Capitalist pigs on earth.

Now this, in some cases may be true of organised rapacious religion, which
struts upon its own connived stage-show, camouflaged in a Christ-like
facade. But behind the mask - is not the spirit nor doctrine of Christ.

True Christians, were neither adherents of, Religionism, Communism, nor
Capitalism.

They taught personal and direct experience with God without the "temple"
religion baggage, personal responsibility in civil life but not the worship
of Caesar, moral responsibility for the plight of their fellow man - and in
trade; that whilst one is required  earn ones way, never to forget that all
one does bears consequences on the many; but also, whilst the "many" were
needful, there was "One" above the State - who was their ultimate arbiter of
truth, law, justice and love - the final Judge of all men and women.

Christians transcended sundry and all "isms", and simply remained - simply
Christian.


- Original Message -
From: "Nurev Ind Research" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 5:34 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Secret Societies and the NWO


> Nicky Molloy wrote:
> >
> > http://members.xoom.com/biblebelieve/masonry.htm
> > Many links
> > Secret Societies and the NWO
> >
> > The New World Order
> > Is this scheme to establish a New World Order in fact a reality? Yes it
is.
> > If you do not believe this I encourage you to study the United Nations
> > documents and also the treaties which, once ratified by individual
nations,
> > become INTERNATIONAL LAW. The United Nations created the Commission for
> > Global Governance, if you don't believe this, visit the United Nations
> > website and look it up.
> >
> > The Commission for Global Governance released a report: Our Global
> > Neighbourhood, that predicates a world court, a global tax, and global
> > police force. And the U.S. State Department Publication 7277 outlines a
one
> > world police force under the United Nations. So many prominent world
leaders
> > are calling for a one world government the intention is obvious. Yet
most
> > people are so occupied by life's responsibilities, careers, sports and
> > television, they have little time to study what's going on in the
corridors
> > of power.
> >
> > The coming one world government is being set up in the political arena
under
> > the flag of the United Nations, through organizations such as the
Trilateral
> > Commission, Council of Foreign Relations, the Royal Institute of
> > International Affairs, the Bilderbergers, and the Club of Rome whose
members
> > include many world leaders, media personalities and other influential
> > people. The published goal of the Council of Foreign Relations for
example
> > is a one world government. And although most have never heard of many of
> > these groups, they do exist, and they are very influential. The core of
> > these groups hold to "illuminist" philosophy.
> >
> > A second focus is economics with free trade agreements, the
International
> > Monetary Fund, World Bank and the Bank of International Settlements. The
> > coming global monetary crisis is intended to institute a universal
> > debt-based currency controlled by the International Financiers and
issued to
> > individuals against biometric identification cards. This is all about
> > control!
> >
> > The third area of focus is religion. Organizations like the World
Council of
> > Churches and the Parliament of World Religions were established to
introduce
> > a new world religion. It is based on a pantheistic/humanist philosophy.
Pay
> > careful attention when you study the documents and reports published by
the
> > United Nations and related organizations. This philosophy is now being
> > taught in the education system and has been implemented under programs
such
> > as Goals 2000.
> >
> > The New World Order will be SOCIAL

Re: [CTRL] Secret Societies and the NWO

2000-04-30 Thread Foxter



I have nothing against socialism. If it's good enoughfor rich 
capitalists, it's good enough for me.
 
   Aren't you confusing oligarchism with 
socialism? 
 
  How much of the value of your work goes to lazy freeloaders, and 
how much goes to youremployer, and how much goes into taxes that support the 
rich and their corporations?
 
  Much of it does, 
that is a choice the government has made.  That choice includes allowing 
employers to keep a portion of their earnings (viz, capitalism).   
This choice can be made by a dictatorship, democracy or socialist country.  
Employers' earnings are not an effect of democracy as a cause.  
Nor are tax levels.
 
In case you don't know it, it costs you MUCH more to subsidize the rich 
than it does the poor, the lazy, the crippled, the sick, and the insane.
 
 
Agreed here.  A rich lifestyle costs more than a poor lifestyle.  In 
this country many sick and disabled are thankful they are in this country 
instead of others.  It gives me a degree of happiness to support them 
through taxes.  This includes my elderly mother on social security and 
a good friend on disability.
 
 


Re: [CTRL] Secret Societies and the NWO

2000-04-30 Thread Nurev Ind Research

ATB XX wrote:
>
>  To not "be a communist" you sure sing a good
> Socialist song.

I have nothing against socialism. If it's good enough
for rich capitalists, it's good enough for me.

> Trashing the words of a Patriot, is by
> all sides your right, mostly because you obviously
> live in a country where you have rights.
>  Unlike the Slave owner World "village" you promote, I
> see what I EARN (this by the "sweat of my brow"), as
> my property; Not a commodity to be shared, by those
> either "dummied down" to expect their share of my
> gains, nor the LAZY who believe the actual working
> populace owes them a lifestyle equal to those who
> strive for the creature comforts afforded the folks
> staunch enough to actually make an effort to "earn a
> living".

Really? Try this . How much of the value of your
work goes to lazy freeloaders, and how much goes to your
employer, and how much goes into taxes that support the
rich and their corporations? That equation should include
the bloated cost of military spending to prop up defence
contractors, and the cost of maintaining over 130 military
bases around the world to protect international corporations
like Exxon.

In case you don't know it, it costs you MUCH more to
subsidize the rich than it does the poor, the lazy, the
crippled, the sick, and the insane.

Take off your shoes and socks and start counting. Please
post your results. The numbers don't lie. But pay particular
attention to how much money your employer gets for your work,
and how much you do. Then talk about chains.

>  May your chains fit you correctly, when you are
> fitted with the jewelry, designed for the placient
> sheeple you would have us believe, are the rightful
> heirs of this One World Government.
>  Do you actually believe, the folks who worked and
> fought for this Nation , where you can dispurage their
> memory and slander their beliefs without reproach,
> deserve the nasty perversions you bleat?

You bet. Especially the elites like the Founding Finaglers.

>  Bravo! Bravo, to Nicky Malloy for voicing what
> deserves to be known, and taking the time and
> expending the effort to awaken people to the looming
> disaster which is the NWO.

I'm against the NWO. I was exposing them before most of
you even knew what it stands for. I am one of the original
anti globalist activists on the internet. The difference
between me and Molloy is that I am scrupulous about being
as factual as possible. The idiotic religio/patriotic crap
she posts are counterproductive to stopping the NWO because
they are absurd and WRONG.

Joshua2
>
> --- Nurev Ind Research <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Nicky Molloy wrote:
> > >
> > > http://members.xoom.com/biblebelieve/masonry.htm
> > > Many links
> > > Secret Societies and the NWO
> > >
> > > The New World Order
> > > Is this scheme to establish a New World Order in
> > fact a reality? Yes it is.
> > > If you do not believe this I encourage you to
>
> > REPORT FROM IRON MOUNTAIN IS FAKE! IT'S A JOKE! IT
> > WAS WRITTEN AS SATIRE!
> > The author is appalled at the stupidity of the Right
> > who still refer to it
> > after he came out and said that he wrote it as
> > satire.
> >
> > snip>
> > > Already in the United States those who support the
> > Constitution,
> > > Patriots and the Militia groups are ridiculed as
> > crazy paranoids and
> > > dangerous extremists. In Australia, it's the
> > supporters of Pauline Hanson's
> > > One Nation and Graham Campbell's Australia First
> > Parties who are ridiculed
> > > and persecuted. These are merely people who are
> > aware of what is going on.
> > > If you are one of those who believe that these
> > patriots who are against
> > > globalism are crazy and deluded, I ask, have you
> > ever spoken to one? Have
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
> __

http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org
DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please!  These are sordid
matters
and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UN

Re: [CTRL] Secret Societies and the NWO

2000-04-30 Thread Foxter



Thank you for 
this post!
 
 
You have reminded me to stop 
working once in awhile and enjoy the fruits of my labor.  That's 
hard won labor even though it is Monday through Friday, 9-5 with good clean working 
conditions and COLA's.
 
So, maybe I'll go shopping 
today.  Maybe bake a cake.  Plant some flowers.  Read a 
book.
 
Or, perhaps I will go through my 
goods and donate them to those who are unable because of [politics] to have 
enough food, shelter and clothing.
 
Question:  are you personally 
for or against labor unions (in a capitalistic environment in the 2lst 
century)?
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  ATB XX 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 10:34 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Secret Societies and 
  the NWO
  To not "be a communist" you sure sing a goodSocialist song. 
  Trashing the words of a Patriot, is byall sides your right, mostly because 
  you obviouslylive in a country where you have rights. Unlike the 
  Slave owner World "village" you promote, Isee what I EARN (this by the 
  "sweat of my brow"), asmy property; Not a commodity to be shared, by 
  thoseeither "dummied down" to expect their share of mygains, nor the 
  LAZY who believe the actual workingpopulace owes them a lifestyle equal to 
  those whostrive for the creature comforts afforded the folksstaunch 
  enough to actually make an effort to "earn aliving". May your 
  chains fit you correctly, when you arefitted with the jewelry, designed 
  for the placientsheeple you would have us believe, are the 
  rightfulheirs of this One World Government. Do you actually 
  believe, the folks who worked andfought for this Nation , where you can 
  dispurage theirmemory and slander their beliefs without 
  reproach,deserve the nasty perversions you bleat? Bravo! Bravo, 
  to Nicky Malloy for voicing whatdeserves to be known, and taking the time 
  andexpending the effort to awaken people to the loomingdisaster which 
  is the NWO.--- Nurev Ind Research <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> 
  Nicky Molloy wrote:> >> > http://members.xoom.com/biblebelieve/masonry.htm> 
  > Many links> > Secret Societies and the NWO> >> 
  > The New World Order> > Is this scheme to establish a New World 
  Order in> fact a reality? Yes it is.> > If you do not believe 
  this I encourage you to> REPORT FROM IRON MOUNTAIN IS FAKE! IT'S A 
  JOKE! IT> WAS WRITTEN AS SATIRE!> The author is appalled at the 
  stupidity of the Right> who still refer to it> after he came out 
  and said that he wrote it as> satire.>> snip>> 
  > Already in the United States those who support the> 
  Constitution,> > Patriots and the Militia groups are ridiculed 
  as> crazy paranoids and> > dangerous extremists. In 
  Australia, it's the> supporters of Pauline Hanson's> > One 
  Nation and Graham Campbell's Australia First> Parties who are 
  ridiculed> > and persecuted. These are merely people who are> 
  aware of what is going on.> > If you are one of those who believe 
  that these> patriots who are against> > globalism are crazy 
  and deluded, I ask, have you> ever spoken to one? Have>=== 
  message truncated 
  ===__Do You 
  Yahoo!?Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! 
  Messenger.http://im.yahoo.com/www.ctrl.orgDECLARATION & 
  DISCLAIMER==CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange 
  list. Proselytizing propagandicscreeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not 
  soap-boxing-please!  These are sordidmattersand 'conspiracy 
  theory'-with its many half-truths, misdirections and outrightfrauds-is 
  used politically by different groups with major and minor effectsspread 
  throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no 
  endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;be 
  wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial 
  andnazi's need not apply.Let us please be civil and as always, 
  Caveat 
  Lector.Archives 
  Available at:http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.htmlArchives of[EMAIL PROTECTED]http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrlTo 
  subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SUBSCRIBE 
  CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]To 
  UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SIGNOFF 
  CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Om


Re: [CTRL] Secret Societies and the NWO

2000-04-30 Thread ATB XX

 To not "be a communist" you sure sing a good
Socialist song. Trashing the words of a Patriot, is by
all sides your right, mostly because you obviously
live in a country where you have rights.
 Unlike the Slave owner World "village" you promote, I
see what I EARN (this by the "sweat of my brow"), as
my property; Not a commodity to be shared, by those
either "dummied down" to expect their share of my
gains, nor the LAZY who believe the actual working
populace owes them a lifestyle equal to those who
strive for the creature comforts afforded the folks
staunch enough to actually make an effort to "earn a
living".
 May your chains fit you correctly, when you are
fitted with the jewelry, designed for the placient
sheeple you would have us believe, are the rightful
heirs of this One World Government.
 Do you actually believe, the folks who worked and
fought for this Nation , where you can dispurage their
memory and slander their beliefs without reproach,
deserve the nasty perversions you bleat?
 Bravo! Bravo, to Nicky Malloy for voicing what
deserves to be known, and taking the time and
expending the effort to awaken people to the looming
disaster which is the NWO.




--- Nurev Ind Research <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nicky Molloy wrote:
> >
> > http://members.xoom.com/biblebelieve/masonry.htm
> > Many links
> > Secret Societies and the NWO
> >
> > The New World Order
> > Is this scheme to establish a New World Order in
> fact a reality? Yes it is.
> > If you do not believe this I encourage you to

> REPORT FROM IRON MOUNTAIN IS FAKE! IT'S A JOKE! IT
> WAS WRITTEN AS SATIRE!
> The author is appalled at the stupidity of the Right
> who still refer to it
> after he came out and said that he wrote it as
> satire.
>
> snip>
> > Already in the United States those who support the
> Constitution,
> > Patriots and the Militia groups are ridiculed as
> crazy paranoids and
> > dangerous extremists. In Australia, it's the
> supporters of Pauline Hanson's
> > One Nation and Graham Campbell's Australia First
> Parties who are ridiculed
> > and persecuted. These are merely people who are
> aware of what is going on.
> > If you are one of those who believe that these
> patriots who are against
> > globalism are crazy and deluded, I ask, have you
> ever spoken to one? Have
>
=== message truncated ===

__
Do You Yahoo!?
Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger.
http://im.yahoo.com/

http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org
DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please!  These are sordid
matters
and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om



Re: [CTRL] Secret Societies and the NWO

2000-04-29 Thread Nurev Ind Research

Nicky Molloy wrote:
>
> http://members.xoom.com/biblebelieve/masonry.htm
> Many links
> Secret Societies and the NWO
>
> The New World Order
> Is this scheme to establish a New World Order in fact a reality? Yes it is.
> If you do not believe this I encourage you to study the United Nations
> documents and also the treaties which, once ratified by individual nations,
> become INTERNATIONAL LAW. The United Nations created the Commission for
> Global Governance, if you don't believe this, visit the United Nations
> website and look it up.
>
> The Commission for Global Governance released a report: Our Global
> Neighbourhood, that predicates a world court, a global tax, and global
> police force. And the U.S. State Department Publication 7277 outlines a one
> world police force under the United Nations. So many prominent world leaders
> are calling for a one world government the intention is obvious. Yet most
> people are so occupied by life's responsibilities, careers, sports and
> television, they have little time to study what's going on in the corridors
> of power.
>
> The coming one world government is being set up in the political arena under
> the flag of the United Nations, through organizations such as the Trilateral
> Commission, Council of Foreign Relations, the Royal Institute of
> International Affairs, the Bilderbergers, and the Club of Rome whose members
> include many world leaders, media personalities and other influential
> people. The published goal of the Council of Foreign Relations for example
> is a one world government. And although most have never heard of many of
> these groups, they do exist, and they are very influential. The core of
> these groups hold to "illuminist" philosophy.
>
> A second focus is economics with free trade agreements, the International
> Monetary Fund, World Bank and the Bank of International Settlements. The
> coming global monetary crisis is intended to institute a universal
> debt-based currency controlled by the International Financiers and issued to
> individuals against biometric identification cards. This is all about
> control!
>
> The third area of focus is religion. Organizations like the World Council of
> Churches and the Parliament of World Religions were established to introduce
> a new world religion. It is based on a pantheistic/humanist philosophy. Pay
> careful attention when you study the documents and reports published by the
> United Nations and related organizations. This philosophy is now being
> taught in the education system and has been implemented under programs such
> as Goals 2000.
>
> The New World Order will be SOCIALISM. Read the United Nations declarations
> and treaties for proof of this fact. The individual will be subservient to
> the state. Rights and power reside in and derive from the state, not the
> individual.

I usually don't read your postings because you have no critical faculties
whatsoever. But I just have to respond to this foolishness.

The NWO is driven by Capitalists. It is Capitalism which is being established
world wide. The Socialist countries like China are increasing the Capitalist
aspects of their economies because it produces a pool of wealth which is easily
accessible to elites for the purposes of theft and self enrichment.

> United Nations documents all speak of collectivism. They claim that private
> ownership and management of property is not to the benefit of the human
> race.

And the New Testament says the EXACT SAME THING. ( See below.)

> These things are cloaked in a pleasant language, and most people are
> taken in and deceived. Yet few bother to study these documents.
>
> In the New World Order you will be in serfdom to the controlling elite! You
> will have no liberty, and no rights. The State will look after you for your
> best interests. Do you see how the governments of the free world are slowly
> becoming more involved in everyday life? This is exactly what socialism is.
> The government becomes involved in every aspect of personal life. Today we
> require a license for so many things. In Australia, farmers now require
> permission to farm the land they own. This is not freedom.
>
> In the New World Order, private ownership of property will be abolished. You
> will only own what you need "after all this is best for the world." "We need
> to be looked after."

You make it very clear that people who take this version of what is going on
seriously DO need to be looked after.

> Terms such as 'sustainable development' mean depopulation and serfdom. The
> masses continue to fall for lie after lie after lie. Study history and you
> will discover that there have been very few free societies. Those that were
> free were either overthrown or fell into the trap of socialism, totally
> unaware of the dangers until it was too late. Socialism (communism) is
> always implemented through deception. History portrays a repetitive
> phenomenon . . . enslavement-revolt-freedom-apathy-enslavement. Enslav

[CTRL] Secret Societies and the NWO

2000-04-29 Thread Nicky Molloy

http://members.xoom.com/biblebelieve/masonry.htm
Many links
Secret Societies and the NWO

The New World Order
Is this scheme to establish a New World Order in fact a reality? Yes it is.
If you do not believe this I encourage you to study the United Nations
documents and also the treaties which, once ratified by individual nations,
become INTERNATIONAL LAW. The United Nations created the Commission for
Global Governance, if you don't believe this, visit the United Nations
website and look it up.

The Commission for Global Governance released a report: Our Global
Neighbourhood, that predicates a world court, a global tax, and global
police force. And the U.S. State Department Publication 7277 outlines a one
world police force under the United Nations. So many prominent world leaders
are calling for a one world government the intention is obvious. Yet most
people are so occupied by life's responsibilities, careers, sports and
television, they have little time to study what's going on in the corridors
of power.

The coming one world government is being set up in the political arena under
the flag of the United Nations, through organizations such as the Trilateral
Commission, Council of Foreign Relations, the Royal Institute of
International Affairs, the Bilderbergers, and the Club of Rome whose members
include many world leaders, media personalities and other influential
people. The published goal of the Council of Foreign Relations for example
is a one world government. And although most have never heard of many of
these groups, they do exist, and they are very influential. The core of
these groups hold to "illuminist" philosophy.

A second focus is economics with free trade agreements, the International
Monetary Fund, World Bank and the Bank of International Settlements. The
coming global monetary crisis is intended to institute a universal
debt-based currency controlled by the International Financiers and issued to
individuals against biometric identification cards. This is all about
control!

The third area of focus is religion. Organizations like the World Council of
Churches and the Parliament of World Religions were established to introduce
a new world religion. It is based on a pantheistic/humanist philosophy. Pay
careful attention when you study the documents and reports published by the
United Nations and related organizations. This philosophy is now being
taught in the education system and has been implemented under programs such
as Goals 2000.

The New World Order will be SOCIALISM. Read the United Nations declarations
and treaties for proof of this fact. The individual will be subservient to
the state. Rights and power reside in and derive from the state, not the
individual.

United Nations documents all speak of collectivism. They claim that private
ownership and management of property is not to the benefit of the human
race. These things are cloaked in a pleasant language, and most people are
taken in and deceived. Yet few bother to study these documents.

In the New World Order you will be in serfdom to the controlling elite! You
will have no liberty, and no rights. The State will look after you for your
best interests. Do you see how the governments of the free world are slowly
becoming more involved in everyday life? This is exactly what socialism is.
The government becomes involved in every aspect of personal life. Today we
require a license for so many things. In Australia, farmers now require
permission to farm the land they own. This is not freedom.

In the New World Order, private ownership of property will be abolished. You
will only own what you need "after all this is best for the world." "We need
to be looked after."

Terms such as 'sustainable development' mean depopulation and serfdom. The
masses continue to fall for lie after lie after lie. Study history and you
will discover that there have been very few free societies. Those that were
free were either overthrown or fell into the trap of socialism, totally
unaware of the dangers until it was too late. Socialism (communism) is
always implemented through deception. History portrays a repetitive
phenomenon . . . enslavement-revolt-freedom-apathy-enslavement. Enslavement
frequently followed revolution because the people did not realize that
socialism was slavery, not freedom.

Today environment is being used to make people feel guilty, enticing them to
accept socialism as necessary. The environmental movement has been co-opted
to strip private ownership of control and exploitation of resources. Many
environmental 'facts' are lies, exaggerations and unscientific claims to
manipulate the masses in the classic Hegelian Dialectic: create the problem,
create opposition to the problem, then present your own predetermined
solution. Global warming is a perfect example.

I recommend reading the study, 'The Report From Iron Mountain,' which
suggested the environment as a tool by which to manipulate the masses to
accept loss of freedom to a on