[CTRL] Selfish, venal and materialistic

2000-09-29 Thread Justine Blake

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u I take back my following statement from yesterday (below). Just a
cursory look-see over the links to this Peter Kropotkin showed me
immediately he was no true academician, leastways in the sense in which I
"see" true academicians to be. I posted a bit too hasily on this...the
mention of his being a biologist threw me into a certain mind-set regarding
"true academicians".

I am basically an anarchist at heart myself, but not your GODLESS
jewish/liberal/marxist/leninist/communist/socialist/fascist/nazi-types,
which, again from the cursory glance at the Kropotkin links, gave me enough
of a clue to where he was koming from.

However, to be fair, later on today I will read some of what is on those
sites.

Here is what I posted yesterday, which I now take back as said in haste:
"Now...when I come across very high minded people, that is, those of a
superior caliber, I tend to listen to them and see what they think. Your
Peter Kropotkin would have been one such, especially as I am very fond of
scientists as a general rule, that is, academiciens, for I have found
these..."

Justine
Silent Leges Inter Arma


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[CTRL] Selfish, venal and materialistic

2000-09-28 Thread nessie

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[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:

After

all, I submit there is not one person on this list who, had they been
born a
Rockefeller or a member of Royalty, would not intend to hold on to their

Power and Wealth.



There you go, projecting again.  Or maybe it's just sour grapes on your
part.

Not everyone is as selfish, venal and materialistic as you appear to be.
Many of us live simply so that others my simply live. I certainly do. You
should, too.

Also, I take it you've never heard of the famous biologist, philosopher
and anarchist revolutionary Peter Kropotkin, who was born a Prince of the
House of Romanov. He worked for meager pay as a research scientist, living
in a cabin in Siberia, studing ornithology when he could have been
partying in the palace or cruising on the family yacht. He dedicated his
entire life to science and social justice. He never once cashed in on his
family conections.

Much of his philosophical thought is contained in the famous Mutual Aid
(1902), which explains the way his theories work. In being in opposition
to Darwinism, which stressed competition and conflict for survival and
regeneration, Kropotkin proposed the idea that cooperation was the chief
factor in the evolution and success of the species. This idea was based on
his scientific studies of Siberia conducted in the 1860's, where he
observed that sociability was dominant feature at every level of the
animal world. Especially among humans, cooperation was the rule rather
than the exception. In human societies, the way cooperation was undertaken
among humans had evolved, generally organized into five stages: primitive
tribe, peasant village, medieval commune, and finally, modern social/trade
association (Red Cross, trade unions, etc.). Even after the rise of
bureaucratic government, people still maintained some sort of localized
cooperation among themselves. The trend of modern history, therefore, was
going back towards decentralized, nonpolitical, and cooperative society.
In such an environment, men could develop their "creative faculties"
without inteference from rulers, religious leaders, or soldiers.

Here's some links:

http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/anarchist_archives/kropotkin/Kropotkinarchive.html

http://www.spunk.org/library/writers/kropotki/

http://www.dis.org/daver/anarchism/kropotkin/

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