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2001-01-14 Thread Ole Gerstrøm

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Dear Duncan M. Roads, Editor, NEXUS Magazine,

Thank you for your reply. The shape-shifters must be happy with the fine PR-work, you 
are doing for them. Maybe they will bestow a membership of some fine order upon you?

However from the viewpoint of truth, you have not done well. Truth is suffering.

You did not even answer the question, I have asked you twice:

Yes, but did Gardner really find this path. Did he not base his works
on Masonic and similar sources?

Best, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark







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 thanks for posting this Ole.  Now everyone can see what happens to
 researchers of our ilk, who happen to contradict David Icke's favourite
 theory of the moment.
 And for the record, I would not say we have massively promoted Laurence
 Gardner.  He became popular in his own right amongs NEXUS-type readers,
 BASED ON HIS RESEARCH!

 Gardner is NOT nobility, does NOT claim to stem from any royal lineage,
 and is an ordinary guy.  His titles were bestowed upon him so as to grant
 access to records of various royal families of Europe.

 Icke, Swerdlow and Wilder should be ashamed of themselves for publishing
 such smear.  I would have expected to see this sort of unsubstantiated
 trash in Weekly World News.

 Shame on YOU too Ole for regurgitating such rubbish.  Why don't YOU do
 some research and find out for yourself how shoddy David Icke's research
 is?

 Why don't you or Icke debate Gardner on his research points instead of
 name-calling and character smear?  Are you cowards?  Are you on some
 agenda?

 Why stoop to such gutter tactics to disuade people from reading Gardner's
 work?

 Must be threatened by something he says methinks!


 IS THIS TRUE, SIR LAURENCE?
 
   New claims that Sir Laurence Gardner is a shape-shifter who takes
part in human sacrifice rituals.
 Major revelations about the reptilian presence on this planet.
 
   by DAVID ICKE
 
 
 Many people were understandably shocked and skeptical when
 Arizona Wilder claimed in the video, Revelations of a Mother Goddess,
 that Sir Laurence Gardner, the author and head of the ancient Royal
 Court of the Dragon Sovereignty, was a shape-shifting reptilian who
 took part in Satanic human sacrifice rituals she had witnessed.
 
 Nexus Magazine, and its publisher, Duncan Roads, have been
 particularly scathing of these claims. Hardly surprising, when Sir
 Laurence Gardner has been massively promoted by Roads and his
 magazine.
 
   But now the author and lecturer, Stewart Swerdlow, says that
 he also
   witnessed human sacrifice and blood drinking rituals at the
 Montauk mind
   control centre on Long Island, New York, in which Sir
 Laurence Gardner
   played a major role.
 
   Swerdlow is the author of five books, The Montauk Project:
 The Alien
 Connection; The Healers Handbook; As You Sow, So You Shall Reap;
 Healing of the
 Mind; and The White Owl Legend. He says he was a victim of the now
 extensively
 documented mind control operation at Montauk Point from the age of 14
 in the early
 seventies. He was one of the so-called "Montauk Boys".


 Duncan M. Roads
 Editor, NEXUS Magazine
 PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia
 Tel: +61 (0)7 5442 9280;   Fax:  +61 (0)7 5442 9381
 http://www.nexusmagazine.com  ICQ#62399259

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[CTRL] Sir Laurence a shapeshifter?

2001-01-14 Thread nexusmagazine

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Dear Duncan M. Roads, Editor, NEXUS Magazine,

Thank you for your reply. The shape-shifters must be happy with the fine
PR-work, you are doing for them. Maybe they will bestow a membership of
some fine order upon you?

However from the viewpoint of truth, you have not done well. Truth is
suffering.


Humph.  You are not interested in truth.  You told everyone on this list
that you used to read NEXUS until we dropped David Icke from our magazine.

Obviously that is a blatant lie!  You did NOT ever read NEXUS because if
you did, you will have seen that we did not ever publish a single article
on or by David Icke.

As for your questions about Laurence Gardner - why don't you ask him?  He
is an ordinary guy, living in an ordinary house, with his family in the
UK  (No he hasn't eaten his children or wife).

What is the matter?  Too afraid you might find out that you and your
precious David Icke are wrong about Laurence Gardner and Zecharia Sitchin
being shape-shifting reptiles?

Duncan



Duncan M. Roads
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PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia
Tel: +61 (0)7 5442 9280;   Fax:  +61 (0)7 5442 9381
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Re: [CTRL] Sir Laurence a shapeshifter?

2001-01-13 Thread Johannes Schmidt III

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Don't knock the Weekly World News. They publish stories which no one in the 'big 
media' will touch. And tehy're a lot less crazy than some of what Icke comes up with.

Similarly I remember reading articles in the WWN about David Koresh before anyone had 
heard of him. Sre, 95% of their stories are probably invented, but what about the 
other 5%?

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[CTRL] Sir Laurence a shapeshifter?

2001-01-12 Thread Ole Gerstrøm



 IS THIS TRUE, SIR LAURENCE?  
 New claims that Sir 
Laurence Gardner is a shape-shifter who takes  
part in human sacrifice rituals. 
 Major 
revelations about the reptilian presence on this planet. 
 
by DAVID ICKE  
 Many people were understandably 
shocked and skeptical when  Arizona Wilder claimed in the video, 
Revelations of a Mother Goddess,  that Sir Laurence Gardner, the author and head 
of the ancient Royal  
Court of the Dragon Sovereignty, was a shape-shifting reptilian who 
 took part in Satanic human 
sacrifice rituals she had witnessed. 
 Nexus Magazine, and its publisher, 
Duncan Roads, have been  
particularly scathing of these claims. Hardly surprising, when Sir 
 Laurence Gardner has been 
massively promoted by Roads and his  magazine. 
 
But now the author and lecturer, Stewart Swerdlow, says that he also 
 
witnessed human sacrifice and blood drinking rituals at the Montauk 
mind  
control centre on Long Island, New York, in which Sir Laurence 
Gardner  
played a major role. 
 
Swerdlow is the author of five books, The Montauk Project: The Alien 
 Connection; The Healers Handbook; 
As You Sow, So You Shall Reap; Healing of the  Mind; and The White Owl Legend. He says he was 
a victim of the now extensively  documented mind control operation at Montauk 
Point from the age of 14 in the early  seventies. He was one of the so-called "Montauk 
Boys". 
 He has never named names before, 
but has now chosen to talk to me  about his experience of Sir Laurence, who has 
gained fame in recent years  on the New Age and Holy Grail "circuit" for his 
books claiming that the  
Merovingian bloodline is the bloodline of Jesus. His best known works 
are  Bloodlines of the 
Holy Grail and the Genesis of the Grail Kings: The  Explosive Story of Genetic Cloning and the 
Ancient Bloodline of Jesus. 
 
I have most strongly contended in my own books and talks that this 
claim  
about the bloodline of "Jesus" is a diversion from the fact that the 
"Holy  
Grail" or Merovingian bloodline is a key reptilian bloodline from 
which  
vast numbers of people in royal, political, economic, religious, and 
military  
power today, genetically descend. It is the desire to maintain this 
reptilian  
genetic structure which has led to the obsessive interbreeding for aeons 
to  the present day of 
the "elite" families. 
 Sir Laurence himself calls these 
"Holy Grail" bloodlines the "dragon"  bloodlines, but claims that this term derives 
from the use of crocodile  fat in the royal ceremonies of ancient Egypt. I 
would contend that the  
word "dragon" has a much more fundamental meaning than that. 
 These bloodlines, which have 
invariably ended up in the positions of  power since pre-history, have a much more 
dominant reptilian genetic  code which has resulted from interbreeding 
thousands of years ago  
between a reptilian race (the "Serpent" race of endless legend) and 
the  mammal-dominated 
bloodlines which we call "human". 
 Sir Laurence claims that the dragon 
bloodline, which he connects  to the House of Stewart, has the right to the 
British throne and  
indeed that these bloodlines have the right to rule in  
general. According to him the senior legitimate  
descendant in this line is HRH Prince Michael  
Stewart, Count of Albany, although the  
background to this guy is being increasingly  
questioned and there are claims that he has  invented the title. 
 Sir Laurence also talks in positive 
terms about the drinking of  menstrual blood, or "Starfire", which, 
interestingly, was the  
Illuminati code name of Arizona Wilder, the "Mother Goddess" who 
conducted  sacrificial 
rituals for the Illuminati in a mind-controlled state (See Revelations of 
a  Mother Goddess and 
The Biggest Secret). You can read at length what Sir Laurence is 
 claiming on this link: (Starfire 
Article) 
 In my view it is classic 
disinformation or what I call gin and tonic with a twist. A great 
 deal of truth, spun with the idea 
that these dragon bloodlines are not literally reptilian  and are, instead, the genetic stream of Jesus 
and Mary Magdalene. In an article in  Nexus Magazine, he acknowledges that ancient 
legends said these lines were literally  shape-shifting reptilians, but in an obvious 
swipe at The Biggest Secret, he says that it is  astonishing in these more enlightened times 
that anyone can still believe it. 
 Sorry, Sir Laurence, the evidence 
will overwhelm you and is already beginning to do so.  
 
Laurence Gardner has quite a CV: Chancellor of the Royal  
Court of the Dragon Sovereignty, which first emerged in  
Egypt in around 2,200BC and is now based in Britain; Prior 
 
of the Celtic Church's Sacred Kindred of St Columba, and  
an "internationally known sovereign and chivalric  
genealogist" Chevalier Labhran de Saint Germain,  
"Presidential Attache to the European Council of Princes - a 
 
constitutional advisory body established in 1946" formally 
 
attached to the Noble Household Guard of the Royal House 

Re: [CTRL] Sir Laurence a shapeshifter?

2001-01-12 Thread nexusmagazine

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thanks for posting this Ole.  Now everyone can see what happens to
researchers of our ilk, who happen to contradict David Icke's favourite
theory of the moment.
And for the record, I would not say we have massively promoted Laurence
Gardner.  He became popular in his own right amongs NEXUS-type readers,
BASED ON HIS RESEARCH!

Gardner is NOT nobility, does NOT claim to stem from any royal lineage,
and is an ordinary guy.  His titles were bestowed upon him so as to grant
access to records of various royal families of Europe.

Icke, Swerdlow and Wilder should be ashamed of themselves for publishing
such smear.  I would have expected to see this sort of unsubstantiated
trash in Weekly World News.

Shame on YOU too Ole for regurgitating such rubbish.  Why don't YOU do
some research and find out for yourself how shoddy David Icke's research
is?

Why don't you or Icke debate Gardner on his research points instead of
name-calling and character smear?  Are you cowards?  Are you on some
agenda?

Why stoop to such gutter tactics to disuade people from reading Gardner's
work?

Must be threatened by something he says methinks!


IS THIS TRUE, SIR LAURENCE?

  New claims that Sir Laurence Gardner is a shape-shifter who takes
   part in human sacrifice rituals.
Major revelations about the reptilian presence on this planet.

  by DAVID ICKE


Many people were understandably shocked and skeptical when
Arizona Wilder claimed in the video, Revelations of a Mother Goddess,
that Sir Laurence Gardner, the author and head of the ancient Royal
Court of the Dragon Sovereignty, was a shape-shifting reptilian who
took part in Satanic human sacrifice rituals she had witnessed.

Nexus Magazine, and its publisher, Duncan Roads, have been
particularly scathing of these claims. Hardly surprising, when Sir
Laurence Gardner has been massively promoted by Roads and his
magazine.

  But now the author and lecturer, Stewart Swerdlow, says that
he also
  witnessed human sacrifice and blood drinking rituals at the
Montauk mind
  control centre on Long Island, New York, in which Sir
Laurence Gardner
  played a major role.

  Swerdlow is the author of five books, The Montauk Project:
The Alien
Connection; The Healers Handbook; As You Sow, So You Shall Reap;
Healing of the
Mind; and The White Owl Legend. He says he was a victim of the now
extensively
documented mind control operation at Montauk Point from the age of 14
in the early
seventies. He was one of the so-called "Montauk Boys".


Duncan M. Roads
Editor, NEXUS Magazine
PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia
Tel: +61 (0)7 5442 9280;   Fax:  +61 (0)7 5442 9381
http://www.nexusmagazine.com  ICQ#62399259

"The nature of the universe is such that ends can never justify the means.
On the contrary, the means always determine the end."
(Aldous Huxley)

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[CTRL] Sir Laurence a shapeshifter?

2000-10-11 Thread Ole Gerstrøm


 IS THIS TRUE, SIR 
LAURENCE?  
 New claims that Sir 
Laurence Gardner is a shape-shifter who takes  
part in human sacrifice rituals. 
 Major 
revelations about the reptilian presence on this planet. 
 
by DAVID ICKE  
 Many people were understandably 
shocked and skeptical when  Arizona Wilder claimed in the video, 
Revelations of a Mother Goddess,  that Sir Laurence Gardner, the author and head 
of the ancient Royal  
Court of the Dragon Sovereignty, was a shape-shifting reptilian who 
 took part in Satanic human 
sacrifice rituals she had witnessed. 
 Nexus Magazine, and its publisher, 
Duncan Roads, have been  
particularly scathing of these claims. Hardly surprising, when Sir 
 Laurence Gardner has been 
massively promoted by Roads and his  magazine. 
 
But now the author and lecturer, Stewart Swerdlow, says that he also 
 
witnessed human sacrifice and blood drinking rituals at the Montauk 
mind  
control centre on Long Island, New York, in which Sir Laurence 
Gardner  
played a major role. 
 
Swerdlow is the author of five books, The Montauk Project: The Alien 
 Connection; The Healers Handbook; 
As You Sow, So You Shall Reap; Healing of the  Mind; and The White Owl Legend. He says he was 
a victim of the now extensively  documented mind control operation at Montauk 
Point from the age of 14 in the early  seventies. He was one of the so-called "Montauk 
Boys". 
 He has never named names before, 
but has now chosen to talk to me  about his experience of Sir Laurence, who has 
gained fame in recent years  on the New Age and Holy Grail "circuit" for his 
books claiming that the  
Merovingian bloodline is the bloodline of Jesus. His best known works 
are  Bloodlines of the 
Holy Grail and the Genesis of the Grail Kings: The  Explosive Story of Genetic Cloning and the 
Ancient Bloodline of Jesus. 
 
I have most strongly contended in my own books and talks that this 
claim  
about the bloodline of "Jesus" is a diversion from the fact that the 
"Holy  
Grail" or Merovingian bloodline is a key reptilian bloodline from 
which  
vast numbers of people in royal, political, economic, religious, and 
military  
power today, genetically descend. It is the desire to maintain this 
reptilian  
genetic structure which has led to the obsessive interbreeding for aeons 
to  the present day of 
the "elite" families. 
 Sir Laurence himself calls these 
"Holy Grail" bloodlines the "dragon"  bloodlines, but claims that this term derives 
from the use of crocodile  fat in the royal ceremonies of ancient Egypt. I 
would contend that the  
word "dragon" has a much more fundamental meaning than that. 
 These bloodlines, which have 
invariably ended up in the positions of  power since pre-history, have a much more 
dominant reptilian genetic  code which has resulted from interbreeding 
thousands of years ago  
between a reptilian race (the "Serpent" race of endless legend) and 
the  mammal-dominated 
bloodlines which we call "human". 
 Sir Laurence claims that the dragon 
bloodline, which he connects  to the House of Stewart, has the right to the 
British throne and  
indeed that these bloodlines have the right to rule in  
general. According to him the senior legitimate  
descendant in this line is HRH Prince Michael  
Stewart, Count of Albany, although the  
background to this guy is being increasingly  
questioned and there are claims that he has  invented the title. 
 Sir Laurence also talks in positive 
terms about the drinking of  menstrual blood, or "Starfire", which, 
interestingly, was the  
Illuminati code name of Arizona Wilder, the "Mother Goddess" who 
conducted  sacrificial 
rituals for the Illuminati in a mind-controlled state (See Revelations of 
a  Mother Goddess and 
The Biggest Secret). You can read at length what Sir Laurence is 
 claiming on this link: (Starfire 
Article) 
 In my view it is classic 
disinformation or what I call gin and tonic with a twist. A great 
 deal of truth, spun with the idea 
that these dragon bloodlines are not literally reptilian  and are, instead, the genetic stream of Jesus 
and Mary Magdalene. In an article in  Nexus Magazine, he acknowledges that ancient 
legends said these lines were literally  shape-shifting reptilians, but in an obvious 
swipe at The Biggest Secret, he says that it is  astonishing in these more enlightened times 
that anyone can still believe it. 
 Sorry, Sir Laurence, the evidence 
will overwhelm you and is already beginning to do so.  
 
Laurence Gardner has quite a CV: Chancellor of the Royal  
Court of the Dragon Sovereignty, which first emerged in  
Egypt in around 2,200BC and is now based in Britain; Prior 
 
of the Celtic Church's Sacred Kindred of St Columba, and  
an "internationally known sovereign and chivalric  
genealogist" Chevalier Labhran de Saint Germain,  
"Presidential Attache to the European Council of Princes - a 
 
constitutional advisory body established in 1946" formally 
 
attached to the Noble Household Guard of the Royal House 

Re: [CTRL] Sir Laurence a shapeshifter?

2000-10-11 Thread nexusmagazine

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IS THIS TRUE, SIR LAURENCE?

  New claims that Sir Laurence Gardner is a shape-shifter who takes
   part in human sacrifice rituals.
Major revelations about the reptilian presence on this planet.

  by DAVID ICKE


Many people were understandably shocked and skeptical when
Arizona Wilder claimed in the video, Revelations of a Mother Goddess,
that Sir Laurence Gardner, the author and head of the ancient Royal
Court of the Dragon Sovereignty, was a shape-shifting reptilian who
took part in Satanic human sacrifice rituals she had witnessed.

Nexus Magazine, and its publisher, Duncan Roads, have been
particularly scathing of these claims. Hardly surprising, when Sir
Laurence Gardner has been massively promoted by Roads and his
magazine.

  But now the author and lecturer, Stewart Swerdlow, says that
he also
  witnessed human sacrifice and blood drinking rituals at the
Montauk mind
  control centre on Long Island, New York, in which Sir
Laurence Gardner
  played a major role.

  Swerdlow is the author of five books, The Montauk Project:
The Alien
Connection; The Healers Handbook; As You Sow, So You Shall Reap;
Healing of the
Mind; and The White Owl Legend. He says he was a victim of the now
extensively


Sigh, a typical example of David Icke's tactics.  ie dont bother
discussing facts or debating points, just smear the 'opposition'.

Yes, that is how David Icke sees the ever popular Laurence Gardner.  You
see, if you believe Gardner's research about the blood line of Christ,
you are automatically unable to believe Icke's postulations that Christ
doesn't exist.  Calling Gardner a shape-shifter is an easy way to get
your sycophantic followers to ignore such heresy.

Notice how Icke has no evidence, save that of two people:

1)  Arizona Wilder - who claims to be the miss big of the illuminati
ritual world.  A clearly traumatised mind control victim who Icke just
loves, because, guess what, she 'saw' Gardner at some of her rituals.
Give me a break!
2)  Stuart Swerdlow - another johnny come lately, this time, cashing in
on the Montauk money bag.  Notice how the original Montauk researchers
all claim Swerdlow is a phoney?  Swerdlow also 'remembers' seeing Gardner
shape-shift at some ceremony.

Icke also used to claim Zecharia Sitchin (another researcher who's work
contradicts Ickes) was a shapeshifter.  Funny how he went silent on that
one.

I have had the pleasure of having Gardner speak at two of our
Conferences.  He is an honourable guy, down to earth, and full of good
information.

If Gardner is a shape-shifting reptilian alien, then bring them on!  I
for one, will never believe that Gardner is a shape-shifter.


Funny how two of the most controversial researchers of the last decade
(in terms of historical controversy) (ie Gardner and Sitchin) have been
targetted as shape-shifting, baby eating reptilian aliens.  Icke
obviously doesn't want you to buy THEIR books, or listen to THEIR
research.

Icke's own editor/right-hand research, Ivan Fraser was so alarmed at Icke
going off the deep end that he left!

Icke has severe arthritis.  He has told several people it is affecting
his brain.

Why doesn't he get up on stage and add that piece of info as a precursor
if he is so interested in the 'truth'?  Maybe they would end up thinking
for themselves for a change.

Duncan


Duncan M. Roads
Editor, NEXUS Magazine
PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia
Tel: +61 (0)7 5442 9280;   Fax:  +61 (0)7 5442 9381
http://www.nexusmagazine.com  ICQ#62399259

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On the contrary, the means always determine the end."
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Re: [CTRL] Sir Laurence a shapeshifter?

2000-10-11 Thread craig

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ole
please don't post stuff just ripped from icke's website- we all know where
it is if we want to subject ourselves to it.
i hope you read nexus' post in reply to this.
i have a lot of respect for the WORK that Gardner puts in... Icke, on the
other hand, is a plagerist extraordinaire and i have less respect for him
every time i read something else.

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From: Ole Gerstrøm
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Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:11 AM
Subject: [CTRL] Sir Laurence a shapeshifter?


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