Re: [CTRL] Stories that have gone missing
-Caveat Lector- On 30 Sep 2001 at 17:55, Euphorian wrote: Read my post To Lose in Toulouse (this list) dated 29th Sept 2001. Your post apparently didn't make it into the archives. Here is a new article on the subject that just arrived. --- http://thescotsman.co.uk/text_only.cfm?id=111914 MYSTERY deepened yesterday around the massive explosion that ripped through a chemical plant on the outskirts of Toulouse last Friday, leaving 29 people dead, over 2,500 injured and thousands more homeless. The official explanation, that it was an accident is being challenged by witnesses, chemical experts and the media, who lean towards a deliberate attack on the AZF factory, Frances largest producer of fertilisers. Witnesses cited in the daily Le Figaro yesterday say they saw a flash of light moving towards the factory, quickly followed by a small explosion and then the second, devastating, blast. An 18-year-old hairdresser named only as Emilie who lived less than 200yd from the factory was in the garden just before the blast. Suddenly, I saw a sort of flash, like a shaft of light, heading towards the factory warehouse in the space of just a few seconds. There was a first explosion. Panic-stricken, I took refuge in my bedroom and put my head under the covers. Almost immediately, there was a massive blast. Her father, an electrician and fire officer at a neighbouring explosives factory, saw the same thing - a sort of projectile flying at a good height over the roof-tops. Their accounts were confirmed by Emilies brother and other factory employees. However, Emilie and her family told Le Figaro her fathers and brothers statements have been ignored. The police already believed only in the theory of an accident. However, lots of people in Toulouse are thinking it and we saw it: it was a terrorist attack and nothing else, she told the daily. Experts have also called into question the authorities insistence on accidental causes. Louis Médard, an engineer, has analysed the worlds ten worst explosions over the last 80 years. He concludes these disasters have always been the result of an explosive charge in a hardened substance or of a prolonged fire ... in confined conditions. However, as Le Figaro and Le Monde have both pointed out, there was no fire in the warehouse before the blast. As for an explosive charge, the manager of the AZF factory, Serge Biechlin told Le Figaro: The remains of all sensitive equipment located near the warehouse were inspected after the blast - not one of them had exploded. If there was a projectile, it could only have come from outside the factory. Investigators have referred to the compost effect, saying that heat at the base of the 200 to 300 tons of ammonium nitrate stored in the warehouse could have triggered the explosion. The heat could have been generated by decomposing nitrates mixed with impurities which acted as a catalyst. However, temperatures inside the warehouse would have had to reach at least 150C to set off an explosion, and this would have activated the heat detectors. Susan Bell In Paris Saturday, 29th September 2001 The Scotsman -- Best wishes Behavior that would rank as clincal paranoia in ordinary life, becomes pragmatic caution in the world of intelligence. -Jesus James Angleton, former director of counter- intelligence for the CIA. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stories that have gone missing
-Caveat Lector- On 30 Sep 2001 at 17:05, thew wrote: -Caveat Lector- it can be found hidden in the new york times No kidding it's hidden. I've put every search term I can think of in the Times' archive search and still haven't found it. -- Best wishes ...secrecy is the keystone of all tyranny. Not force, but secrecy . . . censorship. When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, 'This you may not read, this you may not see, this you are forbidden to know,' the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how holy the motives. Mighty little force is needed to control a man whose mind has been hoodwinked; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything -- you can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him. ~~Robert Heinlein: Revolt in 2100 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Stories that have gone missing
-Caveat Lector- 1. The collapse of the Queen Isabella Causeway connecting Padre with the mainland. This occurred on 9/11 and was said to be caused by an off course tug towing a barge. Has anyone heard or read any more about this? Who was piloting the tug? Has there been any investigation? If you have any recent links, I'd appreciate your sharing them with me. 2. Yesterday there was an article titled Bin Laden's Son Warns US - I'm pretty sure it was in The Telegraph - in which his 10 year old son was quoted as saying Hatred of Americans is the basis of the faith. Fifteen minutes later I went back to archive the article and it was no longer there. It's frightening how rapidly our news is being sanitized. Did anyone else see it? Does anyone have a copy? 3. The recent explosion at a chemical factory in France a few days ago which was initially said to be an accident. I heard briefly on the radio that it is now thought not to be accidental, but there hasn't been any news coverage as far as I can tell. Do any of you have any additional information on this? -- Best wishes Another pervasive -- and dangerous -- sign of the mushy thinking of our time are the flagrantly fraudulent phrases that pass muster in the media and in politics.á None is more fraudulent than the word 'asking' in discussions of public policy issues. Liberals love to say things like, 'We're just asking everyone to pay their fair share.'áá But government is not about asking.á It is about telling.á The difference is fundamental.á It is the difference between making love and being raped, between working for a living and being a slave. The Internal Revenue service is not asking anybody to do anything. It confiscates your assets and puts you behind bars if you don't pay. - Thomas Sowell A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stories that have gone missing
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/30/01 1:25:57 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. The collapse of the Queen Isabella Causeway connecting Padre with the mainland. This occurred on 9/11 and was said to be caused by an off course tug towing a barge. Has anyone heard or read any more about this? Who was piloting the tug? Has there been any investigation? If you have any recent links, I'd appreciate your sharing them with me. Three articles below. Pull-quote from the third article: Officials said the incident was unrelated to terrorist attacks in New York and Washington. The cause of the crash was under investigation. Officials said the tug operator passed a sobriety test. None of the coiled steel and phosphate aboard the barges spilled into the waterway, officials said. - http://www.dallasnews.com/texas_southwest/481544_bridge_27tex.A.html South Padre jobs drying up with few tourists to serve Since bridge fell, water's the only way 09/27/2001 By TERRENCE STUTZ / The Dallas Morning News AUSTIN â As state officials announced an emergency $4 million contract to rebuild the damaged Queen Isabella Causeway, South Padre Island's mayor said hundreds of residents have lost their jobs since the deadly bridge accident. The Texas Department of Transportation said Wednesday that a Houston company had been hired to replace a 400-foot section of the causeway that collapsed after it was rammed by a tugboat and four barges on Sept. 15. Eight people were killed after their cars plunged from the damaged bridge into Laguna Madre in the early-morning darkness. The last of the bodies pulled from the water was identified Tuesday. Amadeo Saenz, district engineer for the Transportation Department, said the emergency contract called for the bridge repairs to be completed by Dec. 23. The 2.4-mile causeway is the only road link between the mainland and the island. For the next three months, passenger and auto ferries will be used to transport people to and from the island â including a 45-car ferry that is coming from Alabama and should be in operation within two weeks. South Padre Island Mayor Ed Cyganiewicz said Wednesday that the resort town was feeling the effects of the bridge accident. Hundreds of residents have lost their jobs because of the sharp drop in the number of tourists. In addition, $25 million to $30 million in construction projects have been put on hold because of the inability to get concrete to the island. South Padre Island is open for business, the mayor said, urging Texans to come and vacation on the island while the bridge is rebuilt. While most local businesses such as hotels and restaurants are hurting, Mr. Cyganiewicz said they were open and would accommodate those who come with or without vehicles. Texans can help South Padre Island by traveling south and supporting our tourism industry, he said. This would minimize the potential economic damage. The mayor and Sen. Eddie Lucio, D-Brownsville, also used the occasion to urge the Texas Transportation Commission to approve an environmental impact study for a second bridge linking the island to the mainland. The proposed study will be considered on Thursday. We are in desperate need of a second bridge, Mr. Cyganiewicz said. If approved, the study would take about a year to complete. Since the accident, state ferries brought over from Port Aransas have transported hundreds of cars off the island, including 500 vehicles owned by residents who work on the mainland. The ferry service is not taking cars to the island yet, officials said. More than 19,000 vehicles traveled over the causeway on a typical day before the bridge was damaged. Gov. Rick Perry has issued a disaster declaration that will allow 80 percent of the $4 million in bridge repairs to be paid for with federal highway dollars. The state will pay the remaining portion. The governor also announced that the Small Business Administration would activate an economic injury disaster loan program for businesses in Cameron and adjacent counties that have been hurt by the collapse of the causeway. The accident is being investigated by the Texas Department of Public Safety and the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department. The U.S. Coast Guard also is looking into the incident. A public safety spokesman said Wednesday that results of a blood test given to the captain of the tugboat have not been received yet. - http://www.txcn.com/texasnews/STORY.e91581de81.93.88.fa.80.24bd5f3a.html Bridge collapse may result in $55 million economic hit 09/28/2001 Associated Press Port Isabel â The effects of the collapse of the only bridge linking tourist-popular South Padre Island to the mainland could be tens of millions of dollars. Cameron County Judge Gilberto Hinojosa has written his concerns to Governor Rick Perry. Hinojosa estimates the Sept. 15 collapse of the Queen Isabella Causeway will cost the local economy nearly $55 million.
Re: [CTRL] Stories that have gone missing
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/30/01 1:25:57 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 3. The recent explosion at a chemical factory in France a few days ago which was initially said to be an accident. I heard briefly on the radio that it is now thought not to be accidental, but there hasn't been any news coverage as far as I can tell. Do any of you have any additional information on this? I hadn't heard of any of the three stories you mentioned, though you'd think they would have gotten more attention! Two articles, pull-quote from the first article: Authorities have speculated that employees at the plant must have made a fatal error, although the possibility of deliberate interference has not been ruled out. http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,559083,00.html Questions follow factory blast Concerns are being raised about the safety of building chemical plants in residential areas following the explosion in Toulouse that killed 29 people, writes Jon Henley Thursday September 27, 2001 Among all the millions of column inches devoted by the world's press to speculation about where, when and with what America will strike back, last week's chemical plant explosion in Toulouse rated at most only a few paragraphs, buried away on the foreign pages. So many peolpe can be forgiven for not knowing that last Friday France suffered its worst civilian accident for two decades. Twenty-nine people died and 2,200 were injured when a chemical plant in a residential area of the southern French city blew up. This wasn't a small explosion. Windows were blown out up to three miles away. Ten thousand homes were damaged, 600 destroyed, and 1,400 families left homeless. Nearly 450 people are still in hospital. Two schools were wrecked and 70 more remain closed; a hospital was badly damaged. The insurance bill is estimated at £50m-100m. The prime minister, Lionel Jospin, has announced a £1m aid package, and a similar sum has been offered by the oil multinational TotalFinaElf, which owned the AZF plant, itself reduced to a pile of rubble, twisted metal, and a large, still-smoking crater. Investigators are still unsure as to the exact cause. The blast appears to have originated in a storage tower for 200-300 tonnes of ammonium nitrate, a notoriously unstable product used to make agricultural fertilisters. Scientists have said the compound is most unlikely to have exploded spontaneously and must have been mixed with another substance. Authorities have speculated that employees at the plant must have made a fatal error, although the possibility of deliberate interference has not been ruled out. But what triggered the explosion is not the most pressing issue for the people of Toulouse. They have a long list of questions: how come, despite multiple requests to relocate it, a highly dangerous plant that was built in green fields in 1924 was now surrounded by homes, shops and schools? How come the emergency services did not have a plan of the site? How come environmental and health and safety inspectors, during their last visit to the factory in May, did not even set foot in the storage tower? How come local residents had never been given the slightest warning of the powder keg in their midst? Theoretically, the site should have been subject to exceptionally tight safety regulations under the Euopean Union's Seveso procedure, which covers all potentially dangerous chemical plants and is named after the 1976 environmental catastrophe in Italy in which carcinogenic dioxins leaked from a pesticide plant. It has not escaped the Toulousains' attention that the European Commission said last month it was planning to take France to court for failing to fully implement the measures required under the Seveso directive. Some 8,000 people joined a noisy and emotional demonstration in central Toulouse on Tuesday night against the plant's planned reopening. Perhaps more effectively, more than 25 lawsuits have been filed by people who were injured in the explosion or who lost their homes or businesses. The complaints argue that Thierry Desmarest, the managing director of TotlaFinaElf, the company itself and the manager of the AZF plant are guilty of causing deliberate injury and of placing the life of others in danger. This cannot just be settled by insurance companies and compensation, said Guy Dubuisson, a lawyer representing many of the individuals. There was so much passivity on the company's part with regard to risk prevention that this disaster ranks as an intentional accident. It was a catastrophe foretold. The traumatised mayor of Toulouse, Philippe Douste-Blazy, wants a national debate on the problem of chemical plants in or near residential areas, an issue he estimates affects several hundred factories around the country and a total of 10m French people. The French can no longer sleep with a bomb beneath their pillows, he said. This kind of incident
Re: [CTRL] Stories that have gone missing
-Caveat Lector- it can be found hidden in the new york times -- Doubt. Doubt thyself. Doubt even if thou doubtest thyself. Doubt all. Doubt even if thou doubtest all. It seems sometimes as if beneath all conscious doubt there lay some deepest certainty. O kill it! Slay the snake! The horn of the Doubt-Goat be exalted Dive deeper, ever deeper, into the Abyss of Mind, until thou unearth the fox THAT. On, hounds! Yoicks! Tally-ho! Bring THAT to bay! Then, wind the Mort! Uncle Al. the kiddies pal NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: klewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:32:32 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Stories that have gone missing 2. Yesterday there was an article titled Bin Laden's Son Warns US - I'm pretty sure it was in The Telegraph - in which his 10 year old son was quoted as saying Hatred of Americans is the basis of the faith. Fifteen minutes later I went back to archive the article and it was no longer there. It's frightening how rapidly our news is being sanitized. Did anyone else see it? Does anyone have a copy? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stories that have gone missing
-Caveat Lector- Read my post To Lose in Toulouse (this list) dated 29th Sept 2001. On 30 Sep 01, at 13:32, klewis wrote: 3. The recent explosion at a chemical factory in France a few days ago which was initially said to be an accident. I heard briefly on the radio that it is now thought not to be accidental, but there hasn't been any news coverage as far as I can tell. Do any of you have any additional information on this? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
