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-Caveat Lector- Dear June, I wrote you should not only look at the scriptures, but also at practise. I dont know of any type of christians of today, who cut of limbs and do stoning. But that is what muslims do today in some countries. And their holy text is the word of god, and has to be obeyed by the letter. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark - Original Message - From: YnrChyldzWyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 2:14 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Sv: [CTRL] The Muslim Jesus -Caveat Lector- On Sat, 26 May 2001, [iso-8859-1] Ole Gerstrøm wrote: When looking at islam, it is not enough to read the holy scriptures. You must also look at islamic practise in the various countries. Look at Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan. Look at the treatment they give women and gays, One could say the same thing of fundamentalist Christian sects... The irony of the present-day practice of many fundamentalist Moslem sects to oppress women is the fact that historically Islam actually granted women a fair amount of civil rights...the Koran stipulated certain rights to women that the Christian Bible never did, and at the time that the religion of Islam developed, Moslem women enjoyed much greater civil rights than their Christian sisters in Europe could ever dream of... and the practice of stoning and cutting of limbs. Something that the Christian Bible actually calls for. June Check out Alternative Kite radio: http://www.live365.com/stations/242153 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Sv: [CTRL] The Muslim Jesus
-Caveat Lector- When looking at islam, it is not enough to read the holy scriptures. You must also look at islamic practise in the various countries. Look at Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan. Look at the treatment they give women and gays, and the practice of stoning and cutting of limbs. Kind Regards, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark Developing a Dialogue Between Christianity and Islam THE MUSLIM JESUS Collected, edited and translated by Tarif Khalidi. Harvard University Press $22.95, 243 pages By LARRY B. STAMMER, Times Religion Writer http://www.latimes.com/news/state/20010526/t44089.html Southern California is the most religiously diverse region in the world, with more than 600 variations of faiths in Los Angeles alone. Yet it is surprising how little followers of three major faiths--Judaism, Christianity and Islam--know about each other. In particular is the one-sided picture of Islam, sometimes portrayed as a terrorist religion. This kind of ignorance born of stereotypes is not only frustrating but, in some parts of the world, deadly. The fratricidal wars between Serbs, who are predominantly Orthodox Christians, and ethnic Albanians, who are predominantly Muslim, come to mind. Religious differences weren't the only sparks that ignited that conflagration. Ancient hatreds, grudges, economic differences and power politics have all been implicated. But the antipathy that fueled the conflict would have been less severe if Christians and Muslims knew more about each other's faiths. Because Christianity and Islam, unlike Judaism, are evangelical faiths whose followers are often on the front lines of winning converts, a dialogue is even more urgently needed. But dialogue cannot occur in an atmosphere of ignorance. It requires a working knowledge of each other. Now comes a book, The Muslim Jesus, which helps dispel the ignorance among Christians about Islam. It is a collection of Islamic sayings about Jesus in the Koran and Islamic literature. The Jesus sayings, published by Harvard University Press, were collected and edited by Tarif Khalidi, a professor of Arabic and director of the Centre of Middle Eastern and Islamic Studies, and fellow of King's College, Cambridge. The book is divided into two sections, Khalidi's introduction and commentary on the sayings, and the sayings themselves. Khalidi's commentary is grounded in solid research, if excessively academic in tone. But there are also shafts of insight. With a little perseverance, the reader is rewarded with a better understanding of Islam, and an appreciation of how one of the most central figures in Western civilization--Jesus of Nazareth--is perceived by another tradition. There are several hundred sayings and stories ascribed to Jesus in Islamic literature, including the Koran and Muslim works of ethics, popular devotion, anthologies of wisdom and histories of prophets and saints. Khalidi loosely refers to this collection as the Muslim Gospel. Jesus is known in the Koran and in the Muslim tradition as the Spirit of God and the Word of God. But, he is not the Son of God as Christians believe. Whereas Christians emphasize Jesus' culminating act of love and self-giving--his death on the cross and Resurrection for the sins of the world--Muslims emphasize his birth as the son of Mary.. It was a sinless birth that took place under a palm tree, not in a manger. Jesus lives, not as the second person of the Trinity, but as a messenger of Allah. Khalidi offers interesting tidbits, among them the fact that the Koran contains two word-for-word quotations from Hebrew and Christian Scriptures--the commandment stipulating an eye for an eye, and Jesus' saying that it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get to heaven. Jesus is not the only non-Muslim biblical figure mentioned in the Koran. Others include Moses, David, Solomon, Job and John the Baptist. There are also stories and sayings of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Jonah, Isaiah and Ezra--all figures in Hebrew Scripture, or what Christians call the Old Testament. But none hold as much interest and attention as Jesus. Jesus and his followers constitute one of the most theologically charged topics in the entire Koran, Khalidi writes. Among the Jesus sayings in Islamic literature are these: Blessed is he who sees with his heart but whose heart is not in what he sees. Be at ease with people and ill at ease with yourself. Christ said, 'The world is a bridge. Cross this bridge but do not build upon it.' Jesus said, 'The heart of a believer cannot really support the love of both this world and the next, just as a single vessel cannot really support both water and fire.' But there is no Sermon on the Mount, no parables, no teachings on the law and the spirit in Islamic literature. Instead, Jesus is followed by
Re: [CTRL] Sv: [CTRL] The Muslim Jesus
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 26 May 2001, [iso-8859-1] Ole Gerstrøm wrote: When looking at islam, it is not enough to read the holy scriptures. You must also look at islamic practise in the various countries. Look at Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan. Look at the treatment they give women and gays, One could say the same thing of fundamentalist Christian sects... The irony of the present-day practice of many fundamentalist Moslem sects to oppress women is the fact that historically Islam actually granted women a fair amount of civil rights...the Koran stipulated certain rights to women that the Christian Bible never did, and at the time that the religion of Islam developed, Moslem women enjoyed much greater civil rights than their Christian sisters in Europe could ever dream of... and the practice of stoning and cutting of limbs. Something that the Christian Bible actually calls for. June Check out Alternative Kite radio: http://www.live365.com/stations/242153 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
