[CTRL] The Debate and The Media
-Caveat Lector- I actually listened to the House debates todaycouldn't tear myself away. I was really heartened to hear the Democratic speakers, who surprised me with their eloquence as they virtually begged to be allowed to put a motion for censure on the table. I am not a lawyer and can't judge the content, but they certainly cited chapter and verse and several precedents. The Republicans were absolutely adamant in their claims that censure from the House would be "UnConstitutional," and refused to even consider it. It seems that everyone in the House made a statement, since they wanted those statements in the record of the precedings. The democratic speakers were also very eloquent in their anger towards the Republicans, who, they claimed, refuse to address and continue to block any action on social issues, etcmuch impassioned speech that was actually heartening to hearbecause if you listen to network news, you would never have guessed they had much of anything to say. The evening news, and even the CNN commentary, was decidedly slanted to the right. I also noted that when they showed any Democrats speaking, they tended to show black representatives opposing impeachment, and although many of the black representatives were very impassioned and eloquent in their anti-impeachment statements, when they were replayed on the evening news they were cut off into odd 2 second sound bites that tended to misrepresent what the person had said and leave out all the "social and historic commentary" that was the heart of those statements. No mention on the network news of the Democratic mass walkout before the actual impeachment votes as a demonstration against the fierce partisanship that clearly drove the impeachment. It was an eye-opener in terms of what is going on down there in D.C. I know it will not be a popular thing to say here, but I came away with a lot more respect for the Democratic members of the House and for Bernie Sanders of Vermont, who is the lone Independent (a Socialist, actually.) I also find it curious that we get absolutely no details and very little discussion of why Mr. Livingston is stepping down. Why does he deserve such consideration from the press in terms of privacy that he gets off with an apology to his wife? And why is his party so rigid that they are forcing him not only to give up the Speakership but to resign from the House? What did he do? And who did he do it with (You see what they've done to me! I want to know!!!) sno0wl DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- At 03:28 AM 12/20/98 -0500, Jim Condit Jr. wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > >SnowOwl, are these serious posts? If they are, then it goes to underscore >that we have a real cultural war (and religious war, the term Pat Buchanan >used at the 1992 GOP convention during that greatest of all convention >speeches in this century). Yes, it's a religious war between those Christians whose NT's say "Judge not lest ye be judged" and "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone", and those Republicans whose NT's have curiously been expunged of these verses Che DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- On Sunday, December 20, 1998 5:16 PM, Gerald Harp [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: (in part) We listened to many of the speeches and to commentary following the votes on a local all news radio station. The democrats' speeches were cut up on our station just as they were for you. They often didn't make sense. (End of quote from Jerry Harp) Don't feel too cheated gang. I listened to many of the Democrat speeches IN TOTO -- and they STILL didn't make sense! Best Wishes, Jim Condit Jr. > > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic > screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters > and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright > frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects > spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL > gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; > be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and > nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/21/98 9:35:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Don't feel too cheated gang. I listened to many of the Democrat speeches IN > TOTO -- and they STILL didn't make sense! Best Wishes, Jim Condit Jr. > > Even when the democrats were allowed to speak, it was some weak statement that aired ala "well, i just wish it didn't have to be impeachment. It seems to me that it a censure would do." Actually, about one third of Americans prefered that the matter simply be dropped but our kept press wasn't about to allow for that. Jerry DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- > much of anything to say. The evening news, and even the CNN > commentary, was decidedly slanted to the right. I also noted that Well I was watching ABC and the Canadian response this afternoon and they were slanted to the left - all the talking heads kept subtly 'warning' their Republican guests that the public majority didn't support them and they may have cost themselves the next presidential election as a result of going against public opinion. > and historic commentary" that was the heart of those statements. No > mention on the network news of the Democratic mass walkout before > the actual impeachment votes as a demonstration against the fierce > partisanship that clearly drove the impeachment. It was mentioned ad nauseum this afternoon on ABC at least, Sam Donaldson talked at length about it and tried to explain the rationale behind such a move by the Democratic politicians. Indeed there was a huge mob of reporters gathered outside to cover the walkout so I assume they have reams of footage from the event. Jamieson DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- SnowOwl, are these serious posts? If they are, then it goes to underscore that we have a real cultural war (and religious war, the term Pat Buchanan used at the 1992 GOP convention during that greatest of all convention speeches in this century). The Democrats call good "evil", and evil "good" in direct and flagrant contradiction to the Bible's injunction. The Democratic minds in general, (Gephart, Marty Meehan, Patrick Kennedy, David Bonior (sp?), Schumer, etc. etc. etc.) have become Satan-ized, and I would never easily believe that people were actually saying these stupid, illogical, evil things in Congress -- except that I am witnessing it with my own eyes. Ten years ago, had I merely heard about these Democratic speeches spewed forth today, I would have thought whoever told me about them was making it up just to get a reaction out of me. THIS WAS A GREAT DAY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD! Which neighborhood? EVERY neighborhood. An evil man has been impeached and all he has done and stood for -- from partial birth abortion, to usury to vulture capitalism to wanton attacks with WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION on helpless, defenseless women and children in a country that was not attacking anyone (Iraq) -- has been tarnished forever. AND MORE! The weasel Bob Livingston was outed and had to resign also. Thank God for Bob Dornan, who unequivacolly called for Livingston's resignation Friday night on FOX's Hannity & Colmes, as well as the resignation of all in leadership positions who are exposed as adulterers. AND MORE! Mark Levine of the Landmark Foundation has distinguished himself as the foremost spokesman on the talk shows for refuting the dishonest professional Clinton supporters and defending the reasons for impeachment WITH A CLARITY, VERVE, and WITT that all the other talking heads together could not muster. This (Clinton's Impeachment) is, as far as I know, the greatest defeat that America's Ruling Elite has been dealt in my lifetime -- they strove migh tily to save their puppet from impeachment - AND COULDN'T DO IT!. What a day! Jim Condit Jr. On Saturday, December 19, 1998 6:41 PM, Sno0wl [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > I actually listened to the House debates todaycouldn't tear > myself away. I was really heartened to hear the Democratic speakers, > who surprised me with their eloquence as they virtually begged to be > allowed to put a motion for censure on the table. I am not a lawyer > and can't judge the content, but they certainly cited chapter and > verse and several precedents. The Republicans were absolutely > adamant in their claims that censure from the House would be > "UnConstitutional," and refused to even consider it. It seems that > everyone in the House made a statement, since they wanted those > statements in the record of the precedings. > > The democratic speakers were also very eloquent in their anger > towards the Republicans, who, they claimed, refuse to address > and continue to block any action on social issues, etcmuch > impassioned speech that was actually heartening to hearbecause > if you listen to network news, you would never have guessed they had > much of anything to say. The evening news, and even the CNN > commentary, was decidedly slanted to the right. I also noted that > when they showed any Democrats speaking, they tended to show black > representatives opposing impeachment, and although many of the black > representatives were very impassioned and eloquent in their > anti-impeachment statements, when they were replayed on the evening > news they were cut off into odd 2 second sound bites that tended to > misrepresent what the person had said and leave out all the "social > and historic commentary" that was the heart of those statements. No > mention on the network news of the Democratic mass walkout before > the actual impeachment votes as a demonstration against the fierce > partisanship that clearly drove the impeachment. > > It was an eye-opener in terms of what is going on down there in D.C. > I know it will not be a popular thing to say here, but I came away > with a lot more respect for the Democratic members of the House and > for Bernie Sanders of Vermont, who is the lone Independent (a > Socialist, actually.) > > I also find it curious that we get absolutely no details and very > little discussion of why Mr. Livingston is stepping down. Why does he > deserve such consideration from the press in terms of privacy that he > gets off with an apology to his wife? And why is his party so rigid > that they are forcing him not only to give up the Speakership but to > resign from the House? What did he do? And who did he do it > with (You see what they've done to me! I want to know!!!) > > > > > > sno0wl > > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic > screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters >
Re: [CTRL] The Debate and The Media
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/20/98 5:34:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << The weasel Bob Livingston was outed and had to resign also. Thank God for Bob Dornan, who unequivacolly called for Livingston's resignation Friday night on FOX's Hannity & Colmes, as well as the resignation of all in leadership positions who are exposed as adulterers. >> Well, if it's good for Bob Dornan, it must be good for the nation. I can't think of anyone we all admire as much as Bob Dornan (well except maybe Dick Morris). Prudy DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Debate and The Media
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On Sat, 19 Dec 1998, Sno0wl wrote:
>No mention on the network news of the Democratic mass walkout before
>the actual impeachment votes as a demonstration against the fierce
>partisanship that clearly drove the impeachment.
Once again, I have no idea what networks you watch, Marilyn, as every one
I watched made mention of the totally meaningless (my viewpoint)
Democratic gesture...
>It was an eye-opener in terms of what is going on down there in D.C.
>I know it will not be a popular thing to say here, but I came away
>with a lot more respect for the Democratic members of the House and
>for Bernie Sanders of Vermont, who is the lone Independent (a
>Socialist, actually.)
And so is not particularly independent, altho he claims to be
Independent...
(Again, watch those capitalized descriptions, people)... ;-)
>I also find it curious that we get absolutely no details and very
>little discussion of why Mr. Livingston is stepping down. Why does he
>deserve such consideration from the press in terms of privacy that he
>gets off with an apology to his wife?
Uh...maybe because he never had sex with a subordinate (according to
him), and was never required to give sworn testimony about such
relationships, and hence never committed perjury nor obstructed justice
in regards to them...
I suggest you reread, and constantly reread, the two articles of
impeachment, Marilyn...nowhere in those two articles does it say Clinton
was impeached because of an extramarital affair...
>And why is his party so rigid
>that they are forcing him not only to give up the Speakership but to
>resign from the House?
The AREN'T...this is Livingston's own choice, and took the Republicans by
surprise...if any party forced him, it's the Democrats who are insisting
on conducting a sexual witchhunt...
I wonder how many DEMOCRATS have strayed beyond the bounds of matrimony,
but who won't be 'outed' by Flynt et al...
June
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Re: [CTRL] The Debate and The Media
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/20/98 9:49:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << << The weasel Bob Livingston was outed and had to resign also. Thank God for Bob Dornan, who unequivacolly called for Livingston's resignation Friday night on FOX's Hannity & Colmes, as well as the resignation of all in leadership positions who are exposed as adulterers. >> Well, if it's good for Bob Dornan, it must be good for the nation. I can't think of anyone we all admire as much as Bob Dornan (well except maybe Dick Morris). Prudy >> B-1 Bob Dornan. The Messiah to radical Fundamentalists and Right Wing benchwarmers. Watch what you say there could be a laser guided bomb headed toward your house right now Prudy. LOL Teo1000 DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- "Jim Condit Jr." wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > SnowOwl, are these serious posts? If they are, then it goes to underscore > that we have a real cultural war (and religious war, the term Pat Buchanan > used at the 1992 GOP convention during that greatest of all convention > speeches in this century). Well it's clear where you are coming from. You are yet another religious psycho bigot. One of those loonies who thinks the Bible is something other than a bunch of legends and idiotic superstitions. No wonder you admire Fr.Fahey. It must be hard for you to live in the real world. You have my sympathy. If you need help, I'll be glad to send you Dr. Kavorkian's number. Joshua2 DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- On 20 Dec 98 , KA wrote: > The AREN'T...this is Livingston's own choice, and took the Republicans > by surprise...if any party forced him, it's the Democrats who are > insisting on conducting a sexual witchhunt... You may be right, but from what I read a small group of key members of the GOP whose votes he would have needed made it very clear they would not support him. As for the rest, I don't want to argue with you, June. It would be as pointless as the debate in the house. As I've said before, we'll have to agree to disagree. You are in a small hard-nosed minority that is, in my opinion, driving the nation apart and moving us in a very destructive direction. sno0wl DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/20/98 1:41:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > when they were replayed on the evening > news they were cut off into odd 2 second sound bites that tended to > misrepresent what the person had said and leave out all the "social > and historic commentary" that was the heart of those statements. We (my wife and i) had the same experience. We listened to many of the speeches and to commentary following the votes on a local all news radio station. The democrats' speeches were cut up on our station just as they were for you. They often didn't make sense. Another stunt our station pulled was to discuss opposing points by replaying a considerable piece of Livingston on the matter and then merely paraphrase what the democrats said. It is astonishing how the media is so well trained, the propaganda masters do not even think about it. Jerry Harp DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/20/98 1:49:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > One of those loonies who thinks the Bible is something > other > than a bunch of legends and idiotic superstitions. A lot of us do. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
