Re: [CTRL] Turks and Armenians corner Jews in debate over genocide

2000-09-30 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 09/28/2000 6:01:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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 : The bill was endorsed a week ago by a subcommittee of the House
 : of Representatives, and is expected to be debated in the committee
 : plenum. The law calls upon the president to "define as genocide the
 : systematic and intentional murder of a million-and-a-half Armenians,"
 : and asks the State Department to pass on this material to American
 : diplomats. The Armenians are of course seeking to obtain American
 : recognition for the genocide committed by Ottoman Turkey in 1915.

 : The Armenian initiative did not make waves in the American media,
 : and has little chance of passing the coming stages of legislation.
 : The
 : State Department even published a condemnation of the decision in
 : the House of Representatives. "Historians, not lawmakers, are the
 : ones who should be concerned with this matter," explained the State
 : Department spokesman. "We are prepared to assist the efforts of the
 : Turkish and Armenian experts, together with academics from other
 : countries, to study their joint history." 

The State Department is right.  I've no idea why this has become a matter
constantly brought up in Congress.  I don't think they made a fuss in 1915,
but they've been carping on it for at least the last ten years.  The Turks
and Armenians truly understand the issue.  It has been a kind of magnified
blood feud ever since it happened.  When I looked into the matter some years
ago, it seemed that this all came up when Russia and Turkey were fighting.
At that time, the Armenians were a fairly large population in Eastern Turkey,
where even today many Armenians are to be found.  At that time, they had
magnificent churches, monestaries, and they were especially noted for their
skill as silversmiths.  They did fine work in other metals as well, and were
excellent businessmen.  They wanted their own country, and the Russians said
that if they would fight on the side of Russia, that when Russia won the war,
they would be given their own country.  Unfortunately for the Armenians, the
Russians lost and went home, leaving the Armenians to reap the wrath of the
Turks who to this day consider treason the worst sin there is.  A similar
state of affairs happened in VietNam when the Americans took to their heels
and left the South Vietnamese to face the wrath of the North.  We have not
yet taken the North Vietnamese to task for their treatment of the South
Vietnamese, and yet we had much more to do with that matter.  The Government
of the United States should keep its nose out of the business between the
Turks and Armenians.  Our voiced opinions (whatever they may be) will add
nothing positive to this problem.  Prudy

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[CTRL] Turks and Armenians corner Jews in debate over genocide

2000-09-28 Thread Yardbird

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: Haaretz
: Sept 28, 2000

: Turks and Armenians corner Jews in debate over genocide

: By Nitzan Horowitz

: Washington - Turkish newspapers seemed to be filled in recent days
: with articles smearing the United States. "A knife in the back," "An
: ugly plot," "Betrayal" scream the headlines in Ankara. Turkish fury
: is
: aimed at a legislative initiative of the Armenian lobby in
: Washington.

: The law, if passed, is only symbolic, but is a symbol of great
: significance, especially in the bitter dispute between the Armenians
: and the Turks.

: The bill was endorsed a week ago by a subcommittee of the House
: of Representatives, and is expected to be debated in the committee
: plenum. The law calls upon the president to "define as genocide the
: systematic and intentional murder of a million-and-a-half Armenians,"
: and asks the State Department to pass on this material to American
: diplomats. The Armenians are of course seeking to obtain American
: recognition for the genocide committed by Ottoman Turkey in 1915.

: The Armenian initiative did not make waves in the American media,
: and has little chance of passing the coming stages of legislation.
: The
: State Department even published a condemnation of the decision in
: the House of Representatives. "Historians, not lawmakers, are the
: ones who should be concerned with this matter," explained the State
: Department spokesman. "We are prepared to assist the efforts of the
: Turkish and Armenian experts, together with academics from other
: countries, to study their joint history."

: The State Department, by the way, has clear instructions not to use
: the expression "Armenian genocide." In the recent announcements
: concerning the congressional initiative, the spokesman was careful to
: use the word with quotation marks, gesturing with his fingers to
: signify this, but also saw fit to add that the "slaughter of the
: Armenians in 1915," is already mentioned in two courses for American
: diplomats.

: The administration has warned the lawmakers that if the Armenian
: proposal passes, it could undermine the entire Caucasus and harm
: American relations with Turkey, "our strategic partner in the
: region,"
: according to the official designation.

: There is nothing vague about Turkey's position on the matter. It has
: threatened to close down its Incirlik air force base from where
: American planes take off for bombing missions in Iraq. Washington
: got the hint. The pressure on Congress mounted.

: But the Armenians did not let up either. After years of failed
: attempts to pass decisions of this kind, it was a more radical
: Armenian group that succeeded this time. The upcoming elections and
: the tight race between the Republicans and Democrats over control of
: the House of Representatives played into their hands. The powerful
: Greek lobby also lent a hand.

: The National Armenian Congress of American has just announced a
: general mobilization from coast to coast. The Armenian community in
: the United States is eager to strike out against the "great Turkish
: Satan." It has also threatened to obstruct the $4.5-billion sale of
: 145 American assault helicopters to Turkey. The Turks, for their
: part,
: have recruited their real lobby in Washington: the Pentagon. They
: even mobilized the Armenian Orthodox Patriarch of Turkey, Masrob
: II, who warned that the Armenian initiative would harm the relations
: between the two communities.

: Both sides have made it clear that in this confrontation, "Anyone who
: is not with us is against us," as a Turkish source put it. Both have
: also promised not to forget those who helped whom "at the moment of
: truth," as an Armenian activist put it.

: This fierce struggle is difficult for the Jews. More than any other
: group of Americans, they feel caught between a rock and hard place.
: A major element in the close ties between Israel and Turkey is the
: Turkish aspiration to enjoy the assistance of Jewish organizations in
: the United States. The Jewish lobby, well aware of the importance of
: these relations, indeed generously extends Turkey its assistance. But
: it is finding it difficult to accede to the Turkish demands to block
: the Armenian initiative, which are based on the Turkish denial of the
: Armenian Holocaust.

: The Jewish organizations and Israeli representatives chose not to
: take
: a public stand on this matter, "because it does not concern Israel."
: As a result, the Turks and the Armenians are angry and the Jews may
: end up losing on both ends. Behind the scenes, Jewish sources in
: Washington have expressed extreme dissatisfaction with the
: Armenian initiative. They feel that it is harmful to everyone.

: To the Armenian activists they say that there is no chance for this
: legislation to pass in the House of Representatives and afterward in
: the Senate, but the Turks, in revenge, are liable to harm Armenia, to
: stop flights there and to block its outlet to