[CTRL] Undisclosed Gay Greeks

2000-10-09 Thread Justine Blake

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>   Undisclosed Gay Greeks
Finally! Something of actual interest to read on this list! Thanks for
posting it J. Taylor!
Justine


>
> by Paul Gottfried
>
>   On September 23, we are told about a sign of change that the New York
>   Times obviously approves of. The editors of the Loeb Greek and Latin
>   classics (published at Harvard) are now offering translations of
>   ancient authors that do justice to their homoerotic interests. Though
>   the account makes it appear that the new enlightened editors are at
>   last honoring James Loeb, the founder and patron of the series who had
>   no use for "bowdlerized" translations, these comments are both vacuous
>   and hypocritical.
>
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[CTRL] Undisclosed Gay Greeks

2000-10-08 Thread J Taylor

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>   Undisclosed Gay Greeks
>
> by Paul Gottfried
>
>   On September 23, we are told about a sign of change that the New York
>   Times obviously approves of. The editors of the Loeb Greek and Latin
>   classics (published at Harvard) are now offering translations of
>   ancient authors that do justice to their homoerotic interests. Though
>   the account makes it appear that the new enlightened editors are at
>   last honoring James Loeb, the founder and patron of the series who had
>   no use for "bowdlerized" translations, these comments are both vacuous
>   and hypocritical.
>
>   The media and the filmmakers doctor reality incessantly to make it fit
>   their escalating ideological agenda. Thus in films we hardly ever see
>   blacks committing violent crimes in inner cities, while media reports
>   of black and Hispanic riots typically attribute them to economic
>   oppression and white racism. Note also the cloying way homosexual
>   activists are presented in the Times, unlike such predictable heavies
>   as (non-leftist) Southern whites, non-media big business, and
>   Christian traditionalists. If disclosing the full truth is what the
>   past Loeb editors failed to do, their sins fall far short of those
>   committed by our national press, including the Times.
>
>   The two ancient authors mentioned in the news item whose homoerotic
>   interests had been allegedly hidden by prudish or mendacious
>   translators, Aristophanes and Plato, are bad illustrations for a
>   questionable argument. Aristophanes, in his plays, reported the
>   "bawdy" humor surrounding Athenian pedophiles, but it is doubtful this
>   playwright had any sympathy for the libertines featured or ridiculed
>   in his work. A critic of Socrates, whom he thought was corrupting
>   Athenss youth, Aristophanes detested non-traditional morals and
>   beliefs and never, as far as I know, treated homoeroticism in a
>   favorable light. Moreover, Plato was so critical of homosexual acts
>   that he made them a capital offense in The Laws. Though the accuracy
>   of this harsh judgment has been subject to dispute by politically
>   correct classicists, most famously Martha Nussbaum, it is hard to read
>   the disputed text without agreeing with the established translation.
>   When the Eleatic Stranger, who leads the conversation, concludes that
>   homosexuality is para phusin, he does mean what he says, that the act
>   is "against Nature."
>
>   Platos Symposium is another case in point, a now misrepresented text
>   that offers negative judgments about homoerotic relations. Here the
>   future political adventurer and self-absorbed pedophile Alcibiades
>   recalls a night spent sleeping next to Socrates. This deeply ascetic
>   teacher resisted his advances and acted in such a manner as would
>   "befit a father or older brother." Alcibiades and the other former
>   symposiasts testify to Socratess efforts to contrast homoerotic
>   passions to the yearning for a "higher beauty" that is spiritual.
>
>   If gay activists and their media boosters are looking for a usable
>   past, they might try such plausible candidates as Ernst Roehms Brown
>   Shirts. On the other hand, misrepresenting the intentions of respected
>   ancient authors does have its propagandistic advantage, especially if
>   scholars can be browbeaten or rewarded into going along.
>
>  October 4, 2000
>
>   Paul Gottfried is professor of history at Elizabethtown College and
>   author, most recently, of the highly recommended After Liberalism.
>

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